agreed - I've picked up Hoffman for a few years now in my hockey drafts and he is reliable offensive production - -- but I don't want him on my team, especially now.

The fastest way to mess up team chemistry is to make the wives/significant others unhappy. If they aren't happy, no-one is happy. If they aren't happy, the team isn't winning. See Ottawa.
- 2.0

Double agree with you here. Hoffman just went off the radar big time. He needs some tuning in from a big burly miserable player team mate that doesn't give a sh*t. Buff could tune him in, but I don't want that player here and ruining the room. We have experience in room in-compatibility and this room is tight apparently.

Double agree with you here. Hoffman just went off the radar big time. He needs some tuning in from a big burly miserable player team mate that doesn't give a sh*t. Buff could tune him in, but I don't want that player here and ruining the room. We have experience in room in-compatibility and this room is tight apparently.
- CharlieDog

To be fair maybe I have it all wrong and maybe it's the Karlsson's rocking the boat. Too soon to definitively hang this on one or the other.

Here is a thought for those who want to add a big time player - how about Trouba & Perreault for Eric Karlsson? Cap works out about the same, replaces the RHDefense lost. Perreault would fit well in Ottawa, Trouba gives a significant piece back for Karlsson.
- 2.0

I certainly wouldn't be opposed to that trade so long as Karlsson signed here for a few more years. Otherwise he would be gone in a year.

San Jose never won with the Joes, might even throw in Marleau, Dallas never won with Benn/Spezza (Spezza's not a bad comparable for Tavares), Anaheim with Getzlaff/Kessler, vancouver with Sedin/Kessler, Sabres didn't make playoffs with Eichel/ROR, detroit nothing after 2008 with Datsyk/Zetterburg, McKinnon/Duchene for Avs were not successful as a team
- 2.0

Yup!!!

To be fair maybe I have it all wrong and maybe it's the Karlsson's rocking the boat. Too soon to definitively hang this on one or the other.
- 2.0

Multiple wives of Ottawa players have all come out and defended Karlsson and said this is all on Hoffman’s wife, basically painted her a complete nut job

Then how did we lose with shief and Stastny? How does Pitt not win every year? Common!! You don’t think I could throw out percentages for success at other positions?
- Ross77

Go ahead, but I do know that Pittsburgh won the cup with Ron Hainsey as a top pairing defenseman. Stastny is not in the same category as Kuznetsov, Malkin, Carter, Bergeron, Stillman, Getzlaf, etc... and if you think so, yikes!!!

Here is a thought for those who want to add a big time player - how about Trouba & Perreault for Eric Karlsson? Cap works out about the same, replaces the RHDefense lost. Perreault would fit well in Ottawa, Trouba gives a significant piece back for Karlsson.
- 2.0

I would do this in a heartbeat. I think Karlsson is the best player in the game.

San Jose never won with the Joes, might even throw in Marleau, Dallas never won with Benn/Spezza (Spezza's not a bad comparable for Tavares), Anaheim with Getzlaff/Kessler, vancouver with Sedin/Kessler, Sabres didn't make playoffs with Eichel/ROR, detroit nothing after 2008 with Datsyk/Zetterburg, McKinnon/Duchene for Avs were not successful as a team
- 2.0

I am speaking about championship teams, and the common denominator among them all.

To be fair maybe I have it all wrong and maybe it's the Karlsson's rocking the boat. Too soon to definitively hang this on one or the other.
- 2.0

Maybe, but I doubt it. I admit that I have not watched Hoffman much, don't even know what he looks like. But, I have watched Karlsson and he strikes me as someone who not say sh*t even if his mouth was full of it.

Where there is smoke, there's usually fire, and there are not too many obnoxious Swedes in the world. So, fair you are, but I am passing on Hoffman.

Go ahead, but I do know that Pittsburgh won the cup with Ron Hainsey as a top pairing defenseman. Stastny is not in the same category as Kuznetsov, Malkin, Carter, Bergeron, Stillman, Getzlaf, etc... and if you think so, yikes!!!
- TheUltimateJet

None of those guys were in their current category until after they won the cup. Stasny, Little or Roslovic would rise to that status with a Jets cup win.

None of those guys were in their current category until after they won the cup. Stasny, Little or Roslovic would rise to that status with a Jets cup win.
- 2.0

All the guys outside of Getzlaf were having 70+ point seasons prior to winning their first cup.

All the guys outside of Getzlaf were having 70+ point seasons prior to winning their first cup.
- TheUltimateJet

please - on this blog we sometimes ignore facts to make points. (but I still don't thinks Stillman was 1a 1st line centre material.)

If your Jim Benning in Vancouver and planning to make some upgrades to your team why would you not make a qualifying offer of $1.5 MM from Brandon Tanev and unite him with his bro. It only costs you a third round pick. Hell of a deal.

I am of the firm belief that GM's in Vegas , Vancouver, Phoenix , and a few other low cap teams are going to cause the Jets some real problems knowing that they have a cap crunch situation looming.

Armia, Petan, Lowry, and Poolman all might see the same thing happen. Teams could try to pick these guys up and not have to give too much back OR at the very worst cost the Jets some money. Divisional rivals and teams in the Western conference would love to do just that so as not to allow the Jets to build too much of a powerhouse going forward.

If your Jim Benning in Vancouver and planning to make some upgrades to your team why would you not make a qualifying offer of $1.5 MM from Brandon Tanev and unite him with his bro. It only costs you a third round pick. Hell of a deal.

I am of the firm belief that GM's in Vegas , Vancouver, Phoenix , and a few other low cap teams are going to cause the Jets some real problems knowing that they have a cap crunch situation looming.

Armia, Petan, Lowry, and Poolman all might see the same thing happen. Teams could try to pick these guys up and not have to give too much back OR at the very worst cost the Jets some money. Divisional rivals and teams in the Western conference would love to do just that so as not to allow the Jets to build too much of a powerhouse going forward.
- jetsnation

I don’t think so. You have to remember compensation for RFA signing an offer sheet is the total dollar value of the contract divided by five or the length of the deal (whatever is shorter!!!!!). So let’s say Trouba signs a 7 year deal worth 7.5 million per year, you’d assume compensation is only one first, second and third but it’s actually 7 x 7.5 = 52.5 then take 52.5 diveded by 5 and you get 10.5 which equals 4 first round picks to be given up. All of sudden that’s a lot more for teams to consider. Plus they have to have all their own first round picks to use ( not another teams first rounder acquired by trade ) so if they have already traded one away, they can’t make the offer.

Karlsson is a hell_va d-man ... obviously ... he's also a righty, expensive, and now injury prone ... sure ya wanna mortgage the farm on this one ?

I can't figure out why guys wanna trade Troubs if he wants to stay long term here - as he has plainly stated ? ... Myers is odd-man out, right side D

I would do almost anything to keep Stastny a Jet ... we need to be strong down the middle - what other options are there ? ... Roslo and/or Appleton at centre ? ... not ready ... another UFA ? ... who's a better bet - Tavares, Thornton, Riley Nash ? ... I say Statsny best bet for Jets - this point in time

Back to Stastny - shedding Enstrom & Matthias would cover his cap and allow for Niku ($775k for next 2 seasons) to slip in full time

So - - - most importantly - - - Chevy is now in juggling mode for the first time since Jets return ... now we have lot's of depth to play and trade ... opens up other doors ... allows us to make decisions on upgrading where we see gaps vs keeping or attracting marginal players to fill the bench

I don’t think so. You have to remember compensation for RFA signing an offer sheet is the total dollar value of the contract divided by five or the length of the deal (whatever is shorter!!!!!). So let’s say Trouba signs a 7 year deal worth 7.5 million per year, you’d assume compensation is only one first, second and third but it’s actually 7 x 7.5 = 52.5 then take 52.5 diveded by 5 and you get 10.5 which equals 4 first round picks to be given up. All of sudden that’s a lot more for teams to consider. Plus they have to have all their own first round picks to use ( not another teams first rounder acquired by trade ) so if they have already traded one away, they can’t make the offer.
- Ross77

https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-calculator

I used the above link to calculate. A 5 year offer at $1.5 MM for Tanev is a third round pick. This would not change for any offer up to approximately $2 MM per year which would be more than what would be offered for any of those players I listed with the exception of Lowry.

This is a major problem for Chevy. I would expect some offer sheets for sure. I know its taboo but they are running a business and it makes total sense for GM's to do this , especially divisional rivals.

Karlsson is a hell_va d-man ... obviously ... he's also a righty, expensive, and now injury prone ... sure ya wanna mortgage the farm on this one ?

I can't figure out why guys wanna trade Troubs if he wants to stay long term here - as he has plainly stated ? ... Myers is odd-man out, right side D

I would do almost anything to keep Stastny a Jet ... we need to be strong down the middle - what other options are there ? ... Roslo and/or Appleton at centre ? ... not ready ... another UFA ? ... who's a better bet - Tavares, Thornton, Riley Nash ? ... I say Statsny best bet for Jets - this point in time

Back to Stastny - shedding Enstrom & Matthias would cover his cap and allow for Niku ($775k for next 2 seasons) to slip in full time

So - - - most importantly - - - Chevy is now in juggling mode for the first time since Jets return ... now we have lot's of depth to play and trade ... opens up other doors ... allows us to make decisions on upgrading where we see gaps vs keeping or attracting marginal players to fill the bench
- CorydonKeith

I'd like to keep Statsny. In addition to what you said , if we keep Statsny then we dont need Perreault. Thats another $4.43 MM off the cap. It can be done.

Bottom line: Either Myers or Trouba is gone. If Statsny signed at estimated $5.5 MM then we trade Perreault. Chevy's biggest problem might actually be Hellebuyck who may command north of $6 MM per unless he is bridged. Also offer sheets for our third and fourth line players.

Karlsson is a hell_va d-man ... obviously ... he's also a righty, expensive, and now injury prone ... sure ya wanna mortgage the farm on this one ?

I can't figure out why guys wanna trade Troubs if he wants to stay long term here - as he has plainly stated ? ... Myers is odd-man out, right side D

I would do almost anything to keep Stastny a Jet ... we need to be strong down the middle - what other options are there ? ... Roslo and/or Appleton at centre ? ... not ready ... another UFA ? ... who's a better bet - Tavares, Thornton, Riley Nash ? ... I say Statsny best bet for Jets - this point in time

Back to Stastny - shedding Enstrom & Matthias would cover his cap and allow for Niku ($775k for next 2 seasons) to slip in full time

So - - - most importantly - - - Chevy is now in juggling mode for the first time since Jets return ... now we have lot's of depth to play and trade ... opens up other doors ... allows us to make decisions on upgrading where we see gaps vs keeping or attracting marginal players to fill the bench
- CorydonKeith

Great comments, Corydon Keith. About Trouba, I think in Winnipeg, we develop this small town mentality that once a players says: "I like playing in Winnipeg", we all go up in arms and say "we gotta sign that guy". If a team out there wants to pay Trouba 6+ I say trade him there. I feel the return we get will be more than worth it!

No one can predict future play but my guess (educated ?) is that Troubs best years are ahead of him ... i am comfortable with the future of Morrissey-Troubs pairing at this point

The league is thinning on talent ... if Seattle gets in there's yet another team to roster

Burke had a great point about Vegas (to continue the tangent) ... Vegas was the ofrst expansion team that came into the league alone ... was always at least 2 teams to split the pie before ... now it may happen again

As for how mush we'll have to pay these guys - well - that's the state of the league .... as merchandising and TV revenues increase - those contracts will look mighty steep

It's all about cap management .... core & cycle

Karlsson is a hell_va d-man ... obviously ... he's also a righty, expensive, and now injury prone ... sure ya wanna mortgage the farm on this one ?

I can't figure out why guys wanna trade Troubs if he wants to stay long term here - as he has plainly stated ? ... Myers is odd-man out, right side D

I would do almost anything to keep Stastny a Jet ... we need to be strong down the middle - what other options are there ? ... Roslo and/or Appleton at centre ? ... not ready ... another UFA ? ... who's a better bet - Tavares, Thornton, Riley Nash ? ... I say Statsny best bet for Jets - this point in time

Back to Stastny - shedding Enstrom & Matthias would cover his cap and allow for Niku ($775k for next 2 seasons) to slip in full time

So - - - most importantly - - - Chevy is now in juggling mode for the first time since Jets return ... now we have lot's of depth to play and trade ... opens up other doors ... allows us to make decisions on upgrading where we see gaps vs keeping or attracting marginal players to fill the bench
- CorydonKeith

Karlson is one of a very few players in the league I would mortgage the farm for (honestly though - don't think I could get a bank lend me 10m/year for the farm). I am not worried about injuries for him any more than Trouba, Myers, Kulikov, Perreault etc.

I really do like Trouba and would be happy to have him as a Jet but he would have to be included in a Karlsson trade because he is RHD and is a significant enough asset to make the trade doable. I doubt Myers/Perreault would be enough to make the deal happen, and like Trouba Myers is also still a useful piece for the Jets.

I like what Stasny did but I think he is one of the deals we pass on. Make some room for the kids - give more time to Roslovic (or Appleton), make a trade deadline deal for another rental if it proves to be a gap in the lineup. We had our run with Stasny, he gave all he had, it wasn't enough and we need to get better.

Keep in mind that shedding the salaries Enstrom/Mathias and others doesn't cover much more than the pay raises that are already promised, and for signing RFA's. A 4-6m/year roster player would need to move out to make room to sign Stasny.

As far as keeping/attracting marginal players: I don't consider Connor, Roslovic (heck I could go through a long list of draft/develop players) to be marginal. I have seen enough success to believe that the best way to fill the gaps is to develop the player rather than plug-and-play. We have high end players and depth players with upside competing to be in the lineup. Any gap plugging should be deadline deals just like 2018.

I still think an area we could shed some salary is the backup goal. Mason is an expensive luxury. We could downgrade to a 1.5-2m player, let Mason go for a 2nd/3rd round pick. I was going to suggest that the former Jet for a day, Peter Budaj could fill the job but he was just picked up by the Kings again.

https://www.capfriendly.com/offer-sheet-calculator

I used the above link to calculate. A 5 year offer at $1.5 MM for Tanev is a third round pick. This would not change for any offer up to approximately $2 MM per year which would be more than what would be offered for any of those players I listed with the exception of Lowry.

This is a major problem for Chevy. I would expect some offer sheets for sure. I know its taboo but they are running a business and it makes total sense for GM's to do this , especially divisional rivals.
- jetsnation

I’m just not worried at all about offer sheets. No one is offering a bottom 6 player like Tanev or Armia a 5 year deal and if they do, I laugh and take whatever pick it gives us. We are loaded in bottom 6 players. If someone wants to ridiculously over pay Lowry, I say let them and I take those picks to. Further more I just don’t see someone wanting to hand us 4 first round picks for Trouba or Helle. If they do, take the picks and make trades to replace those players. And finally I honestly don’t see Morrisey signing an offer sheet.
People forget though didn’t both Tkachuk and Selannie sign offer sheets when they were here for jets 1.0?

Here are the final free agent predictions and RFA salaries courtesy of Matt Cane at Hockey Graphs.

https://docs.google.com/s...386jVESKSOf0V4/edit#gid=0

I wouldn't agree with quite a few of them but at least its some reference points. ON the Jets names, Helle may be about right, Same with Statsny, if Trouba signs it will be for longer. Morrissey appears to be a bridge. Same with some other Jets. Mark Stone is a good player but $8MM plus? ....not a chance.

I’m just not worried at all about offer sheets. No one is offering a bottom 6 player like Tanev or Armia a 5 year deal and if they do, I laugh and take whatever pick it gives us. We are loaded in bottom 6 players. If someone wants to ridiculously over pay Lowry, I say let them and I take those picks to. Further more I just don’t see someone wanting to hand us 4 first round picks for Trouba or Helle. If they do, take the picks and make trades to replace those players. And finally I honestly don’t see Morrisey signing an offer sheet.
People forget though didn’t both Tkachuk and Selannie sign offer sheets when they were here for jets 1.0?
- Ross77

Only Tkachuk signed an offer sheet with the Blackhawks. Selanne was loyal to the Jets to the bitter end. Reports from Jets 1.0 camp stated that Selanne was devestated when he found he was being traded.

Only Tkachuk signed an offer sheet with the Blackhawks. Selanne was loyal to the Jets to the bitter end. Reports from Jets 1.0 camp stated that Selanne was devestated when he found he was being traded.
- TheUltimateJet

Selanne signed one with Calgary, Jets matched

Selanne signed one with Calgary, Jets matched
- Ross77

Don't really consider that an offer sheet. Selanne hadn't even played a game for the Jets when he was offered that contract. And, in many ways Trouba reminds me of Tkachuk. Tkachuk in his younger years seemed very entitled as does Trouba.