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wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 13 @ 7:57 PM ET
If you can get JVR and package the 8th pick for something really nice of D and depth. Short term we might be looking in decent shape.
- SoftServe


They haven't gotten to select as low as 8th in awhile, so why not let them do so?

There are needs at scoring forward and a big centre is needed, easier to fill those type needs early in the draft...
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 13 @ 8:00 PM ET
How much do you think JVR gets and the term?
- SoftServe


Too much and too long...

You have to sort out lots of things before you address another UFA buy...

Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Jun 13 @ 8:14 PM ET
Watch the Hawks sign defenseman Slava Voynov...
- wiz1901


Doesn't he still belong to LA?
SoftServe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.19.2016

Jun 13 @ 8:18 PM ET
They haven't gotten to select as low as 8th in awhile, so why not let them do so?

There are needs at scoring forward and a big centre is needed, easier to fill those type needs early in the draft...

- wiz1901


Hey i'm all for keeping the pick, and hope they use it on Kotkaniemi if Tkachuk doesn't miraculously fall to them. I was just making an observation based off that report about the Hawks willing to trade the 8th pick in the right deal. Packaged with something could fetch them a pretty nice Defenseman, if there is one out there.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 8:28 PM ET
Doesn't he still belong to LA?
- Justin Lowe

I hope the Hawks stay far away from him.
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Jun 13 @ 8:31 PM ET
The idea of introducing a fight between two women into the daily operation of an NHL club is juvenile lunacy. Reminds me of the time some guys on this board wanted to trade Kane over a meaningless fake story about some gold digger ..
- Savoy


1) that Hoffman's fiance/GF chose to allegedly cyber bully Karlsson and his wife after their child miscarried was horrible enough, but this situation apparently went well beyond "a fight between two women" to criminal behavior on the part of one or both of the Hoffman pair

2) From an Athletic article discussing Ottawa's issues: Don’t underestimate the importance of the significant others to the success of a hockey team. They form a critical support group, both for each other and the players, and for the overall wellness of the group. Anything that upsets that balance can court disaster

(I think the Hawks proved the latter with the Sharpy stuff several years ago)

So, not juvenile lunacy, all part of managing the dynamics in the room
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Jun 13 @ 8:40 PM ET
Martinsen - 1-way deal = $650k.

DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 8:56 PM ET
Martinsen - 1-way deal = $650k.
- Justin Lowe


That’s one way to stock your AHL team with boarderline talent. Costs an extra few hundred thousand but has no cap implications.

I’m wondering if they sign Clendening to a similar deal or if he ends up in Europe.
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 13 @ 8:57 PM ET
Crack may enlighten him, actually
- PatShart

LOL.... Probably not he's a lost cause...
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 13 @ 8:57 PM ET
Doesn't he still belong to LA?
- Justin Lowe


"Even upon reinstatement, however, Voynov will not be able to sign with any team other than the Kings unless Los Angeles facilitates such a move. Though it seems unlikely the Kings would block any team willing to take the risk on and face the backlash of signing Voynov, they do hold his rights and it will be up to whatever team, if any, is keen on inking the defenseman to work out a trade. "
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 13 @ 8:59 PM ET
Watch the Hawks sign defenseman Slava Voynov...
- wiz1901

That would be a PR disaster... Not in accordance with the image the Hawks brass want to portray.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Jun 13 @ 9:04 PM ET
"Even upon reinstatement, however, Voynov will not be able to sign with any team other than the Kings unless Los Angeles facilitates such a move. Though it seems unlikely the Kings would block any team willing to take the risk on and face the backlash of signing Voynov, they do hold his rights and it will be up to whatever team, if any, is keen on inking the defenseman to work out a trade. "
- wiz1901


Ahhh... thank you sir.

Annnndddd..... no thanks to that. I hope everyone blocks him and he heads back to Russia with his tail between his legs.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 13 @ 9:05 PM ET
Hey i'm all for keeping the pick, and hope they use it on Kotkaniemi if Tkachuk doesn't miraculously fall to them. I was just making an observation based off that report about the Hawks willing to trade the 8th pick in the right deal. Packaged with something could fetch them a pretty nice Defenseman, if there is one out there.
- SoftServe


on my NHL draft dot com, they changed there board to read Brady to Chicago at #8,

but I didn't like that there top 31 didn't include Ty Dellandrea...
they had KAndre Miller as the pick at #27...with two defenders I rank higher behind him and Vitali Kravtsov still on the board!
you have to take Vitali Kravtsov if he is there.

wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 13 @ 9:06 PM ET
Maybe Ottawa wants all our big contracts ?
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:21 PM ET
To get something for Duclair in trade means they have to qualify him at 10% (I think) over his last salary, which means about $1.3M. Based on what he's done in the last couple of seasons doubtful anybody would spend much to acquire him in trade.

Too bad he got hurt, sending him down to Rockford to play in the playoffs might have helped him a lot and also told the brass something more about whether he had a future in Chicago.

- RickJ

Players making over $1m only have to be offered 100% their current salary, so that would be at min $1.2m for Duclair. Players making less than $660k are the ones that must be 110% and anyone in-between would be offered 105%.

I don't think it matters much if Duclair has a cap hit of $1.2m or $1.5m - the increase in the buriable amount means a majority of the contract would disappear if he happens to not work out. It's why Gus's contract amount was fine with me cause it's easily tradable, even for scraps. A decent number of teams would be interested in cheap contracts of young players cause they're low risk. Look at Smith-Pelly who got passed around a lot, including signing for $1.3m, when he never topped 20 points in a season and had a solid little playoff run for the Caps just now.

I don't think anyone would give up much for Duclair by any means, I just think it's a good idea to sign guys who are young and have some value from an asset management perspective. If they only get a 5th for him, then that's more than they give if they don't qualify him at all.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:22 PM ET
Maybe Ottawa wants all our big contracts ?
- wiz1901


Beginning to look like they could use them.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:25 PM ET
So BarstoolChief did a periscope with rumors/rumblings today. Here are some highlights:

1) Darling/Hossa: the discussions were with the former GM and that they pretty much died down once Francis was ousted. Dundon is apparently "intent on spending money" so the Hossa contract is not as appealing / he's not worried about the cap floor. Wouldn't rule it out but it seemed to be a lesser conversation for a bit.

2) Believes the Hawks keep the #8 with outside chance they trade up (Yotes/Habs). Would take a lot to trade for a current player.

3) Thinks Murphy might get squeezed out - that the rumors about Hawks looking for RD makes him think the Hawks don't want both Murphy and Rutta, and the former has more value.

4) Apparently Arizona actually wanted Hinostroza before in the Duclair trade but settled on Panik. Reiterated that the Hawks really like Hino.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:31 PM ET
Watch the Hawks sign defenseman Slava Voynov...
- wiz1901


AND Kovalchuk 😁
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 13 @ 9:42 PM ET
Maybe Ottawa wants all our big contracts ?
- wiz1901


I wonder what Karlsson will be looking for in dollars and term in a contract?
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 13 @ 9:53 PM ET
Interesting take.

I think Schmaltz is extremely talented. I think what Debrincat has that Schmaltz lacks a bit is that killer instinct. For as small as the Cat is, that guy will play physical and does whatever it takes to finish.

We'll see how his sophomore year goes, though.

- Hank3Henshaw


Dcat proved everyone wrong, myself included. No way did I think he was ready for the NHL last yr but obviously he was. Sure his offense may have translated to the bigs but his defense was a huuuuuge concern but his 54.3 corsi and 2,2 corsi relative were beyond anyone's wildest dreams. Sure he had sheltered zone starts but still.

He's not a secret to the opposition anymore but the kid just gets it done and is just a natural scorer. Loved seeing the kid do well as most everyone doubted the kid.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 13 @ 10:10 PM ET
I would answer Oduya long term and a cap fit...the others the luxury of extra Ir Cap space late and the willingness of some of the above to stay in town on the cheap.
Some think Carolina captain IS reasonable but is he gonna say much bigger increase is necessary right after this deal is done?
The thing attractive with Trouba is he is probably going to be reasonable enough ang thriller with the prospect of big minutes w/o fighting Buff & Myers for right side tick.
Trouba is not quite down developing,and the Vegas slip ups not withstanding, he has many more desirable qualities in his own end as well. He is a tank, and has huge upside, as there is significant evidence he can play fast offensively too.

- wiz1901


Indeed, and this guy plays with an edge and can be down right nasty. No, he hasn't been given PP minutes due to Buff and Meyers as you mention. This kid is just scratching the surface. ........ Checks a lot of boxes and is also a culture changing guy. Intense, nasty, old school and doubt he takes kindly to teammates taking shifts, games, months off.

Kid checks a lot of boxes. ........ There is zero doubt Peg will have to move a front line player or two within 2 yrs to be cap compliant. Whether Trouba is one of those guys we'll soon see but if I'm a Peg fan I sure hope not. 24 yr old kid with 5 NHL seasons under his belt.
SoftServe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 01.19.2016

Jun 13 @ 10:25 PM ET
on my NHL draft dot com, they changed there board to read Brady to Chicago at #8,

but I didn't like that there top 31 didn't include Ty Dellandrea...
they had KAndre Miller as the pick at #27...with two defenders I rank higher behind him and Vitali Kravtsov still on the board!
you have to take Vitali Kravtsov if he is there.

- wiz1901


Ah Brady 😍
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 14 @ 12:37 AM ET
Every draft in the last decades tier - out where by around the start of the twenties a new draft tier begins...
it usually closes before the round ends (like 2014) where maybe a team gets a dynamic player but the rest are potentials who are hit n miss depending upon their with ethic and water marks.
Well this year I personally feel that mid first round tier extends 40's...
and furthermore the mid 40s through the 70s are very thick with strong skilled developmental so unlike last year when the forty mark started to be where things dried up.
It is going to be fun to see which teams do the best jobs after the top 13 to get selected...
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Jun 14 @ 1:22 AM ET
it would be great if Kampf can really take that role so that the offensive guys can focus on offense more often. Kruger before he was plagued with that wrist injury and large salary was such a value add to the roster defensively. I don't think it helped Saad/Toews to have to be kinda of play that checking role as much as they did or to be the first two out there on the PK as often as they were last year.

I've been spending time thinking about who they could try to acquire to help the depth and I've posted some names in the past.

I still like the idea of Riley Nash, but some other ideas obviously depending on the $$$ or the asking price. Maybe the Hawks find a deal with a team willing to move a more defensive RFA for one of the Hawks more offensive RFA (Hinostroza or Duclair)

Luke Glendening - Trade a D asset to the Wings
Jay Beagle UFA for the right price.
Blake Coleman RFA from NJD.
Riley Sheahan RFA from Pittsburgh
Leo Komarov UFA (if near league minimum)
Brad Richardson (if near league minimum)
Cizikas, Casey - if some salary retained

- breadbag

pass on everyone. komarov wont sign for league minimum. Trading some of our salary or useless pieces like duclair for matt martin would be good.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 14 @ 2:55 AM ET
1) that Hoffman's fiance/GF chose to allegedly cyber bully Karlsson and his wife after their child miscarried was horrible enough, but this situation apparently went well beyond "a fight between two women" to criminal behavior on the part of one or both of the Hoffman pair

2) From an Athletic article discussing Ottawa's issues: Don’t underestimate the importance of the significant others to the success of a hockey team. They form a critical support group, both for each other and the players, and for the overall wellness of the group. Anything that upsets that balance can court disaster

(I think the Hawks proved the latter with the Sharpy stuff several years ago)

So, not juvenile lunacy, all part of managing the dynamics in the room

- pdx2ord


The Karlsson’s did not “miscarriage” as that term is normally known. They actually had a baby that was stillborn. This happened to a couple that we know and the situation created incomprehensible grief and sadness. It was heartwrenching. Any person who could bully in those circumstances has something very seriously wrong with them.
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