Wanna blog? Start your own hockey blog with My HockeyBuzz. Register for free today!
 
Forums :: Blog World :: Justin Lowe: The Case For Trading Jonathan Toews
Author Message
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 13 @ 4:34 PM ET
Would you trade Hossa for Corry Perry?

Saad, Toews, Perry?
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 13 @ 4:35 PM ET
Would you trade Hossa for Corry Perry?

Saad, Toews, Perry?

- -Doh-


Maybe if they kept 50%..
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 13 @ 4:36 PM ET
To Ottawa:

Chicago #8 pick
defense prospect ?????

To Chicago:

Mike Hoffman
Ottawa #22 pick

- walleyeb1
Maybe if he broke off his engagement, but why in the world would you want to bring that drama to the Hawks? Also, Hoffman turns 29 this fall, and while he's obvs still good, is he really someone you'd give up the #8 for? His career high is 61, which is good, but it's hard to say he'll be able to repeat continue that. Schmaltz had nearly the same PPG as his this past season.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 13 @ 4:36 PM ET
Would you trade Hossa for Corry Perry?

Saad, Toews, Perry?

- -Doh-


No trade of any kind for Perry as he is in decline arguably serious decline.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 13 @ 4:38 PM ET
Maybe if he broke off his engagement, but why in the world would you want to bring that drama to the Hawks? Also, Hoffman turns 29 this fall, and while he's obvs still good, is he really someone you'd give up the #8 for? His career high is 61, which is good, but it's hard to say he'll be able to repeat continue that. Schmaltz had nearly the same PPG as his this past season.
- L_B_R


NO - please nobody discuss Hoffman - he and his fiance are lunatics.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 13 @ 4:39 PM ET
No trade of any kind for Perry as he is in decline arguably serious decline.
- Z3Hawk


Agreed, read that somewhere today as well... And I hate him as a player
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jun 13 @ 4:42 PM ET
To Ottawa:

Chicago #8 pick
defense prospect ?????

To Chicago:

Mike Hoffman
Ottawa #22 pick

- walleyeb1

No hoffman not worth 8th overall pick and only 1 more year on his contract.
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Jun 13 @ 4:43 PM ET
Girlfriend stays in Canada?
- riozzo

The idea of introducing a fight between two women into the daily operation of an NHL club is juvenile lunacy. Reminds me of the time some guys on this board wanted to trade Kane over a meaningless fake story about some gold digger ..
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 4:43 PM ET
Saad for Hamilton is a fair trade, but it still doesn't work for the Hawks. Yes, the Hawks have need for a top pairing RD but they also have need for top 6 quality forwards, especially those with size and who are defensively responsible. Trading Saad for a d-man would just move the hole in the roster and they'd wouldn't really be any better for it.

Part of the team's issue last season was that the forward group was not very good defensively as a whole and could not do basic coverage for the system the d-men were running. They lost their two of their best defensive forwards in Hossa and Kruger (obvs lower quality than Hoss) in one sweep and there is literally no one better defensively on the team now than Saad in terms of wings.

- L_B_R



That's why they sign for this guy after trading Saad:

riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 13 @ 4:43 PM ET
The idea of introducing a fight between two women into the daily operation of an NHL club is juvenile lunacy. Reminds me of the time some guys on this board wanted to trade Kane over a meaningless fake story about some gold digger ..
- Savoy

Or the non-sense over sharp and some alleged affair
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jun 13 @ 4:44 PM ET
Would you trade Hossa for Corry Perry?

Saad, Toews, Perry?

- -Doh-

Yes
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 4:45 PM ET
Would you trade Hossa for Corry Perry?

Saad, Toews, Perry?

- -Doh-



Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 13 @ 4:46 PM ET
It's all about the goaltending !!! Perfect example ... look at the Vegas Golden Knights. Fluery had the team in front of him playing with CONFIDENCE because of him. The Hawks lacked any confidence with the carousel of goalies last year
- chuckdahammer


Another year of goalie chaos is simply not an option. Whatever decisions that need to be made regarding Crawford must be made sooner than later.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 13 @ 4:51 PM ET
That's why they sign for this guy after trading Saad:


- DarthKane


TVR is not a great player. Saad is a much better choice and we already have him. TVR older and seems not as dominant.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 13 @ 4:55 PM ET
I wouldn't give the 27th for Hoffman now

His value is waaaaaaaaayyyyy lower now

- PatShart


You’re right, I don’t know what I was thinking:

To Ottawa:

Chicago #8 pick
defense prospect ?????

To Chicago:

Mike Hoffman
Ottawa #4 pick
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 4:57 PM ET
TVR is not a great player. Saad is a much better choice and we already have him. TVR older and seems not as dominant.
- Z3Hawk


I would agree about TvR...but JvR on the other hand....

DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 4:58 PM ET
You’re right, I don’t know what I was thinking:

To Ottawa:

Chicago #8 pick
defense prospect ?????

To Chicago:

Mike Hoffman
Ottawa #4 pick

- walleyeb1



Just say no to Hoffman....
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 13 @ 5:00 PM ET
Scott Powers had a few updates (outside of the Carolina interest) today during a chat:

1) Hawks will likely be talking to Carter Hutton and JvR.

2) Ivan Nalimov has requested the Blackhawks trade his NHL rights.

3) Hayden and Hino extensions are currently being worked on.

4) DeBrincat, Sikura, and Schmaltz aren't being dealt.

- Chunk

Yes to JVR. Meh to Hutton - he's been sub-average as even a backup more often than not, one good season at 32 is more than likely an aberration. Maybe better than the current backups but he's going to cost more too.

The Hawks should not trade Nailmov's rights unless they get an offer they can't refuse. He's better than Forsberg imo and will likely be ready sooner than Delia (if he's ever NHL quality). The Finnish goalie is the only curve ball in the system to prevent Nailmov from being a backup as soon as next season when he'd be available and possibly a starter down the line.

Hayden is the guy I hope I'd like to turn into something Bickell-like. He's not as good a skater, but his shot is underrated and his IQ is extremely high. I'm still mostly on the fence about Hinostroza - he's actually a decent passer but his defensive awareness leaves much to be desired.

Good - those 3 should be untouchable. Schmaltz and Debrincat are obvs, but I also think it's important to not trade Sikura for two reasons: 1) he's the highest potential forward prospect the Hawks have in the system and 2) it would look bad to trade away a guy who could have gone FA but didn't and other guys in his position would think twice in the future imo.
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 13 @ 5:05 PM ET
TVR is not a great player. Saad is a much better choice and we already have him. TVR older and seems not as dominant.
- Z3Hawk

Saad is a better choice over JVR, but JVR is a pretty great player. He's not the physically dominating power forward types in the Lucic mold, but he does use his size to make power moves and scores predominantly from the slot/high danger areas (he was actually one of the best in this regard last season). He's exactly the type of high volume form in-close type of shooter that would be ideal with a Schmaltz/Kane type.

JVR would be great in addition to Saad, not in replace of Saad.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 5:10 PM ET
Yes to JVR. Meh to Hutton - he's been sub-average as even a backup more often than not, one good season at 32 is more than likely an aberration. Maybe better than the current backups but he's going to cost more too.

The Hawks should not trade Nailmov's rights unless they get an offer they can't refuse. He's better than Forsberg imo and will likely be ready sooner than Delia (if he's ever NHL quality). The Finnish goalie is the only curve ball in the system to prevent Nailmov from being a backup as soon as next season when he'd be available and possibly a starter down the line.

Hayden is the guy I hope I'd like to turn into something Bickell-like. He's not as good a skater, but his shot is underrated and his IQ is extremely high. I'm still mostly on the fence about Hinostroza - he's actually a decent passer but his defensive awareness leaves much to be desired.

Good - those 3 should be untouchable. Schmaltz and Debrincat are obvs, but I also think it's important to not trade Sikura for two reasons: 1) he's the highest potential forward prospect the Hawks have in the system and 2) it would look bad to trade away a guy who could have gone FA but didn't and other guys in his position would think twice in the future imo.

- L_B_R


Plus...at some point the team needs to start developing their next stars rather than chasing guys in the late 20s/early 30s. Pursuing 1 UFA (say....JvR) is fine, but the team needs to rebuild around their youngsters.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Jun 13 @ 5:18 PM ET
Plus...at some point the team needs to start developing their next stars rather than chasing guys in the late 20s/early 30s. Pursuing 1 UFA (say....JvR) is fine, but the team needs to rebuild around their youngsters.
- DarthKane



Which is why I hope they dont trade that #8 pick.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 13 @ 5:20 PM ET
Weird coming from me, but I wouldn't mind Martinsen in a checking line role. He's defensively responsible enough imo and with the right transition center, it could work. The problem is that I don't know yet if Kampf is that center and he's the closest they have. The Hawks will not do well with another basic grinder 4th line that takes the easiest comp. They need to be able to have a line that can take some pressure off Toews/Kane and allow an offensive lower line to exist - Bickell-Shaw-Stalberg were able to get the bumslaying assignments in part because of Kruger.
- L_B_R


it would be great if Kampf can really take that role so that the offensive guys can focus on offense more often. Kruger before he was plagued with that wrist injury and large salary was such a value add to the roster defensively. I don't think it helped Saad/Toews to have to be kinda of play that checking role as much as they did or to be the first two out there on the PK as often as they were last year.

I've been spending time thinking about who they could try to acquire to help the depth and I've posted some names in the past.

I still like the idea of Riley Nash, but some other ideas obviously depending on the $$$ or the asking price. Maybe the Hawks find a deal with a team willing to move a more defensive RFA for one of the Hawks more offensive RFA (Hinostroza or Duclair)

Luke Glendening - Trade a D asset to the Wings
Jay Beagle UFA for the right price.
Blake Coleman RFA from NJD.
Riley Sheahan RFA from Pittsburgh
Leo Komarov UFA (if near league minimum)
Brad Richardson (if near league minimum)
Cizikas, Casey - if some salary retained
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 13 @ 5:20 PM ET
Which is why I hope they dont trade that #8 pick.
- z1990z



The pressure is on Stan to produce now. I want the Hawks to keep #8 and #27 but I'm expecting at least one of those picks to be dealt.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jun 13 @ 5:29 PM ET
Interesting take.

I think Schmaltz is extremely talented. I think what Debrincat has that Schmaltz lacks a bit is that killer instinct. For as small as the Cat is, that guy will play physical and does whatever it takes to finish.

We'll see how his sophomore year goes, though.

- Hank3Henshaw


Debrincat has an incredible shot, moves up the ice well and seems to read the game at a very high level.

Schmaltz is an excellent skater, very good passer and is good at disrupting plays in the neutral zone.

If they need to move one of those guys for a top pairing guy (cause thats what needs to come back) then they can probably get away with it since they have a few lil guys who are really skilled. I'd lump Sikura in that mix just because and maybe Strohs as well.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 13 @ 5:30 PM ET
The pressure is on Stan to produce now. I want the Hawks to keep #8 and #27 but I'm expecting at least one of those picks to be dealt.
- DarthKane


I'm with you. Unless they can get someone young and cost controlled in exchange for their first round picks, there is no reason to move them. If anything they should be stockpiling more picks.
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31  Next