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Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jun 8 @ 7:11 PM ET
Does anyone else get the feeling that 88 is a better leader than 19?
- TJYTJY

https://www.nbcsports.com...p-characteristics-captain

CSN Chicago article from yesterday talks about this exact topic.
BobP.
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 12.29.2010

Jun 8 @ 7:15 PM ET
Does anyone else get the feeling that 88 is a better leader than 19?
- TJYTJY


At this point in their careers.......count me in.
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Jun 8 @ 7:16 PM ET
Does anyone else get the feeling that 88 is a better leader than 19?
- TJYTJY


He is around the team more in the off season and trains with the young guys and is better then Teows, so I think now he is. I would not have said that 3 years ago thou.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 8 @ 7:19 PM ET
Okay, Faulk and Darling for what?
- BINGO!


Seabrook, Hossa, Forsberg
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 8 @ 7:21 PM ET
Does anyone else get the feeling that 88 is a better leader than 19?
- TJYTJY



No
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 8 @ 7:26 PM ET
He is around the team more in the off season and trains with the young guys and is better then Teows, so I think now he is. I would not have said that 3 years ago thou.
- kmw4631


Because Kane gets in trouble every time he goes back to Buffalo.

Love Kaner and he’s totally emerging as a leader on the team. But a better leader that Toews....
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 8 @ 7:48 PM ET
Gallant was an excellent coach in Florida. Got fired by new idiots. Coaches are not the same. They are at different places on the spectrum. The best make a team better, set a team up for success. The worst act as an impediment where you hope the coach gets out of the way long enough for a solid team to succeed. Q is in the latter group. Q, like Scotty Bowman, has always coached elite teams. Would have been harder NOT to have success. Read into what Rocky is saying - he is looking at Vegas who are the misfit toys of the NHL and they are making it to the Cup Final while the Hawks with Toews, Kane, Saad, Keith, Seabrook, Anisimov and an absent Crawford can’t even make the play-offs. He’s a shrewd businessman and doesn’t like it.
- Z3Hawk



Wow well said!
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 8 @ 8:07 PM ET
Gallant was an excellent coach in Florida. Got fired by new idiots. Coaches are not the same. They are at different places on the spectrum. The best make a team better, set a team up for success. The worst act as an impediment where you hope the coach gets out of the way long enough for a solid team to succeed. Q is in the latter group. Q, like Scotty Bowman, has always coached elite teams. Would have been harder NOT to have success. Read into what Rocky is saying - he is looking at Vegas who are the misfit toys of the NHL and they are making it to the Cup Final while the Hawks with Toews, Kane, Saad, Keith, Seabrook, Anisimov and an absent Crawford can’t even make the play-offs. He’s a shrewd businessman and doesn’t like it.
- Z3Hawk


Wow.

You guys really think that Q wasn’t an important part of three Cup winners and two other Final Four participants - that he wasn’t integral to the Hawks outstan8ng record in games 4/5/6 of all of those series - that he didn’t have an important part in getting 23+ players each year to sacrifice and play into a system that allowed them to maximize their talents and come together and play Cup winning hockey...?

Un-phucking-believable.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 8 @ 9:30 PM ET
Wow.

You guys really think that Q wasn’t an important part of three Cup winners and two other Final Four participants - that he wasn’t integral to the Hawks outstan8ng record in games 4/5/6 of all of those series - that he didn’t have an important part in getting 23+ players each year to sacrifice and play into a system that allowed them to maximize their talents and come together and play Cup winning hockey...?

Un-phucking-believable.

- StLBravesFan


No at least that’s not what I’m saying. Of course he had a part in it. But my point is the truly great coaches are able to win with teams that aren’t supposed to win.

For awhile I wondered why Q never won coach of the year, during the Cup runs. Everyone kept saying it was because he was winning with teams that were loaded with talent and supposed to win. That never set quite right with me, partly because that still takes talent. I finally settled on it was because he never won with a team that really shouldn’t have won.
walter34
Joined: 08.28.2014

Jun 8 @ 9:46 PM ET
Wouldn't shock me either.
- Hawksfan37


Darling is not a number one goalie. Baffling that Carolina gave him that contract considering his inexperience. He was good in relief of Crow but the comparison wasn't even close. If they bring him back and move Crawford, the kid will be under enormous pressure which doesn't bode well with his skillset. Quite similar to a trade they made at last years draft with Columbus.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jun 8 @ 9:57 PM ET
Wow.

You guys really think that Q wasn’t an important part of three Cup winners and two other Final Four participants - that he wasn’t integral to the Hawks outstan8ng record in games 4/5/6 of all of those series - that he didn’t have an important part in getting 23+ players each year to sacrifice and play into a system that allowed them to maximize their talents and come together and play Cup winning hockey...?

Un-phucking-believable.

- StLBravesFan

Believe it ,he was part of it yes .Important not so much .I still Believe Scotty was pulling a lot of strings during that time ..
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 8 @ 9:58 PM ET
Darling is not a number one goalie. Baffling that Carolina gave him that contract considering his inexperience. He was good in relief of Crow but the comparison wasn't even close. If they bring him back and move Crawford, the kid will be under enormous pressure which doesn't bode well with his skillset. Quite similar to a trade they made at last years draft with Columbus.
- walter34


Based on his time in Chicago there was every indication Darling was ready to be a #1. Darling’s situation wasn’t that different than Jones or Talbot. Darling played under tremendous pressure in Chicago and he thrived.

Darling getting that contract wasn’t a shock, however his poor performance last season was.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 8 @ 10:14 PM ET
No at least that’s not what I’m saying. Of course he had a part in it. But my point is the truly great coaches are able to win with teams that aren’t supposed to win.

For awhile I wondered why Q never won coach of the year, during the Cup runs. Everyone kept saying it was because he was winning with teams that were loaded with talent and supposed to win. That never set quite right with me, partly because that still takes talent. I finally settled on it was because he never won with a team that really shouldn’t have won.

- walleyeb1


There are great coaches that can win with teams that aren’t supposed to win - very few - they can get teams to play above their heads, but eventually submit to teams with better talent that are well coached - say, Gallant finally beaten by a well-coached Barry Trotz team.

Or a surprising Laviolette well coached Flyers team - beaten by a well-coached Quenneville team in Chicago.

Then there are great coaches who do take teams that have enough talent to win - and put them together into a squad that DOES win - like Phil Jackson’s teams in the 90s (how many other coaches win 6 of 8, even WITH Jordan and Pippen).

Coaching teams that SHOULD win to championships is as great a skill as coaching underdogs to win more than the world thinks they should - although different skills are involved - and a coach who is good at one of those probably doesn’t have the ability to accomplish the other.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 8 @ 10:15 PM ET
Believe it ,he was part of it yes .Important not so much .I still Believe Scotty was pulling a lot of strings during that time ..
- oldduffman


I don’t recall seeing Scotty on the bench during any of those games.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 8 @ 10:25 PM ET
There are great coaches that can win with teams that aren’t supposed to win - very few - they can get teams to play above their heads, but eventually submit to teams with better talent that are well coached - say, Gallant finally beaten by a well-coached Barry Trotz team.

Or a surprising Laviolette well coached Flyers team - beaten by a well-coached Quenneville team in Chicago.

Then there are great coaches who do take teams that have enough talent to win - and put them together into a squad that DOES win - like Phil Jackson’s teams in the 90s (how many other coaches win 6 of 8, even WITH Jordan and Pippen).

Coaching teams that SHOULD win to championships is as great a skill as coaching underdogs to win more than the world thinks they should - although different skills are involved - and a coach who is good at one of those probably doesn’t have the ability to accomplish the other.

- StLBravesFan


Responding to my own post:

I also don’t think that coaches like Q - very good at taking obvious talent and putting it together into a championship competitor - necessarily have the quite different skills required to develop and rebuild a team with young developing players (a situation the Hawks are in today, I think).
walter34
Joined: 08.28.2014

Jun 8 @ 10:46 PM ET
Based on his time in Chicago there was every indication Darling was ready to be a #1. Darling’s situation wasn’t that different than Jones or Talbot. Darling played under tremendous pressure in Chicago and he thrived.

Darling getting that contract wasn’t a shock, however his poor performance last season was.

- DarthKane


Darling thrived in a relief role if front of a much better defensive core. He baled the team out against Nashville in the playoffs but was never that technically sound. He was in the league for two years as a backup and was a great teammate on a championship team and went on a bit of a run when Crawford went down. There may still be some room for improvement in his game but more likely what you see is what you get. Carolina rolled the dice and lost. Didn't surprise me at all.
dpard
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: My preferred gender pronoun is "Corn Pop"
Joined: 04.18.2011

Jun 8 @ 10:57 PM ET
I'd agree.
If I were Rocky, I would be thinking about all the coin paid to this guy and yet-to-be-paid. I'd also be thinking my GM got rid of one of the most dynamic forwards in the game to get this highly paid guy back on-track, only to see his performance tail off yet again AND drag down his line mates.

I would not be at all surprised to see him moved, whether this yr or not.

- savvyone-1

Thank ja ur not rocky, nor anywhere near decision making. Hawks would have that nut leddy at 7x7 and get the worst plus/minus in history. But he skates purdy, eh?
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jun 8 @ 10:59 PM ET
Responding to my own post:

I also don’t think that coaches like Q - very good at taking obvious talent and putting it together into a championship competitor - necessarily have the quite different skills required to develop and rebuild a team with young developing players (a situation the Hawks are in today, I think).

- StLBravesFan

Coach Q step into a perfect situation much like phil Jackson with the bulls. Move pieces around push the right buttons at the right time and manage the personalities. Q is not a teaching coach more like a tactition adjustments old school coaching but I think his style and system just doesn't fit with the personal hawks have so he needs to adjust unlikely or will be fired by x mas.
dpard
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: My preferred gender pronoun is "Corn Pop"
Joined: 04.18.2011

Jun 8 @ 11:04 PM ET
Fixed
- EnzoD

You should be fixed so u cant influence young 'uns ....just sayin
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Jun 8 @ 11:19 PM ET
Interesting FA guesses:

http://www.freeagentforec...l?team_id=69&position_id=

- ikeane

That guy doesn't have a clue.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jun 9 @ 12:18 AM ET
That draft prospect Liam Foudy (LW) who was killing it at the combine last weekend has shot up the charts and is now projected to go in the 1st round. As of today, Draftsite has Foudy going 29th to the Blues. Before now he was projected as a 2nd rounder and I believe later rounds earlier than that.
Hawksfan37
Joined: 05.11.2012

Jun 9 @ 1:14 AM ET
Darling is not a number one goalie. Baffling that Carolina gave him that contract considering his inexperience. He was good in relief of Crow but the comparison wasn't even close. If they bring him back and move Crawford, the kid will be under enormous pressure which doesn't bode well with his skillset. Quite similar to a trade they made at last years draft with Columbus.
- walter34


My comment had nothing to do with Darling. I think what you're saying makes sense here.

But with some smoke coming out that the Hawks are looking at a G with a $4M cap hit (notwithstanding any retention) unless the Hawks are planning on tying up $10M in net, it speaks to the possibility of Crawford being moved this summer.
walter34
Joined: 08.28.2014

Jun 9 @ 3:18 AM ET
My comment had nothing to do with Darling. I think what you're saying makes sense here.

But with some smoke coming out that the Hawks are looking at a G with a $4M cap hit (notwithstanding any retention) unless the Hawks are planning on tying up $10M in net, it speaks to the possibility of Crawford being moved this summer.

- Hawksfan37


I agree and it does look like a possibility. If the Hawks are indeed looking to move on from Crawford by replacing him with Darling, they're setting him up to fail. Unless they totally revamp the defence through free agency and the haul they may get by trading Crawford. All said, a huge roll of the dice. Crawford, if healthy, is way too valuable to this team right now.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Jun 9 @ 3:56 AM ET
Because Kane gets in trouble every time he goes back to Buffalo.

Love Kaner and he’s totally emerging as a leader on the team. But a better leader that Toews....

- DarthKane


...YES and it isn’t even close. Toews neither traditionally leads nor leads by example.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Jun 9 @ 4:09 AM ET
I'd agree.
If I were Rocky, I would be thinking about all the coin paid to this guy and yet-to-be-paid. I'd also be thinking my GM got rid of one of the most dynamic forwards in the game to get this highly paid guy back on-track, only to see his performance tail off yet again AND drag down his line mates.

I would not be at all surprised to see him moved, whether this yr or not.

- savvyone-1

Something went wrong with the capability of Saad. He did not loose ability. He is s young guy. The problem(s) lie within the locker room, because Toews is not the same player whom played with Saad before Saad was traded. There may be something about some problems related to Q, too, just because of how he can mess up things.
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