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Ryan Wilson
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rochester, NY
Joined: 06.13.2013

Jun 5 @ 3:59 PM ET
Ryan Wilson: Washington is mowing down every goalie in their path Washington is mowing down every goalie in their path
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 5 @ 4:03 PM ET
Caps have seen a lot of Fleury and there has been a lot of talk how to get to him.

Caps obviously have listened and learned, and now have themselves where they've expected to be many times before but just couldn't get tehre.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jun 5 @ 4:45 PM ET
Caps claimed they had Flower figured out... last season showed they were full of poop but I guess they finally got his number.

Now to watch 3 in a row for Vegas and it just be (frank)ing hilarious to be James Tanner.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jun 5 @ 5:11 PM ET
Okay this is a pretty big stretch but something to talk about lol.

The TSN guys were talking about the Sabres being fairly likely to trade ROR. They also said they'd be looking for a guy like Skinner.

So again, pretty big stretch here, but Kessel is a similiar type player to Skinner. If Kessel was okay going to Buffalo (who the hell knows where he would want to go and why)....would you trade Kessel for ROR?

big contract but its not terribly more expensive than Kessel, he's younger, he'd be the perfect 3C and he can also play LW if we have other C options (like Brassard) still on the roster.

If trading Kessel you almost have to come out of it with some money saved...but I could almost convince myself that it makes sense haha.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 5 @ 5:43 PM ET
Personaly I would trade Kessel for O'Reilly if they took Hunwick as well. Although we have Brassard and Sheahan on the roster I think O'Reilly would bring very good defensive play to this team. I'm pretty sure he'd be playing with Crosby or making Brassard jump to the 1st line as a winger.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 5 @ 5:45 PM ET
Okay this is a pretty big stretch but something to talk about lol.

The TSN guys were talking about the Sabres being fairly likely to trade ROR. They also said they'd be looking for a guy like Skinner.

So again, pretty big stretch here, but Kessel is a similiar type player to Skinner. If Kessel was okay going to Buffalo (who the hell knows where he would want to go and why)....would you trade Kessel for ROR?

big contract but its not terribly more expensive than Kessel, he's younger, he'd be the perfect 3C and he can also play LW if we have other C options (like Brassard) still on the roster.

If trading Kessel you almost have to come out of it with some money saved...but I could almost convince myself that it makes sense haha.

- YouMeAndDupuis9


McKenzie said on his "bobcast" that Kessel is "eminently available" even though Rutherford recently tried to "calm the waters" with all the rumors.
https://pittsburghhockeyn...rade-eminently-available/

If they trade Kessel, don't they have to get a scoring wing?
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 5 @ 5:53 PM ET
McKenzie said on his "bobcast" that Kessel is "eminently available" even though Rutherford recently tried to "calm the waters" with all the rumors.
https://pittsburghhockeyn...rade-eminently-available/

If they trade Kessel, don't they have to get a scoring wing?

- madmike71

It depends on what kind of trade they are looking for. Toffoli+Forbot for instance.

Perhaps Brassard could be the guy on the 1st line if we go after O'Reilly. He can score.

Another thing to keep in mind is the free agency. Wait and see approach.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Jun 5 @ 7:35 PM ET
It depends on what kind of trade they are looking for. Toffoli+Forbot for instance.

Perhaps Brassard could be the guy on the 1st line if we go after O'Reilly. He can score.

Another thing to keep in mind is the free agency. Wait and see approach.

- Barnaby36


Yeah that would be the thing about ROR is that he can be a scoring wing or 3C. I mean, I dont really see the logic in Buffalo doing this trade...just basing it off of the whole ROR/Skinner thing. Who knows, maybe when GMJR gave permission to Botterill to interview for a GM job he had to promise one favor in the future haha.

I actually think thats what happened with Brassard... JR gave the 2nd round pick along with Fleury to Vegas and then the good ol boy GMGM retained some salary on Brassard as a favor.

Anyway, getting off track, but more realistically a young forward with upside and a solid 2,3, or 4th D-man makes the most sense. The kings deal you mentioned makes sense...Domi + Hjalmarsson/Demers ..... Coyle + Brodin... those are the most ideal type of trades imo
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jun 5 @ 8:59 PM ET
I personally don't look at this as Fleury being "figured out." The Caps are a vastly better team all around. Last night Fleury got lit up, but overall he's kept his team in the game, giving them a chance to climb back.

The Caps are just much better; that's it.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jun 5 @ 9:21 PM ET
I personally don't look at this as Fleury being "figured out." The Caps are a vastly better team all around. Last night Fleury got lit up, but overall he's kept his team in the game, giving them a chance to climb back.

The Caps are just much better; that's it.

- Rinosaur


The most important lesson the Capitals and every other team in the NHL is learning is that you need twos elite centres to win a cup. The Penguins, Kings, Bruins, and to a lesser extent the Blackhawks have always had two lines of 1st line talent. Without that teams are doomed.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jun 5 @ 9:45 PM ET
Is that the same jagr deal Michel Sivek bomb?
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 5 @ 10:03 PM ET
Is that the same jagr deal Michel Sivek bomb?
- ChrisMS

yup
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Jun 5 @ 11:16 PM ET
Caps claimed they had Flower figured out... last season showed they were full of poop but I guess they finally got his number.

Now to watch 3 in a row for Vegas and it just be (frank)ing hilarious to be James Tanner.

- Guile



The "figuring out a goalie" has to be one of the dumbest cliches in hockey.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jun 5 @ 11:43 PM ET
The "figuring out a goalie" has to be one of the dumbest cliches in hockey.
- Blackstrom2


As is the 'we can't win' rhetoric.

I do think working out how to best beat a team that's in front of you is very valid. The Caps have worked out how to beat Vegas. In doing that they are not allowing Flower to steal anything. Is that working him out? He may be making great saves but at the same time offering up rebounds & allowing the soft goal in from time to time. Not looking comfortable at times. Is that working him out? Or what is it?
DutchSenators
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Joined: 06.07.2015

Jun 6 @ 12:07 AM ET
Does trading Kessel mean that Sprong finally gets a shot?
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jun 6 @ 4:57 AM ET
Does trading Kessel mean that Sprong finally gets a shot?
- DutchSenators


JR has said yes Sprong will be getting a good shot next season.
DutchSenators
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Joined: 06.07.2015

Jun 6 @ 5:08 AM ET
JR has said yes Sprong will be getting a good shot next season.
- Aussiepenguin


As a dutchie this makes me extremely happy. At least something to look forward to for next season.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jun 6 @ 6:09 AM ET
I hope like hell Ovi comes within one win of a Stanley Cup and never gets it. Vegas will probably win tomorrow because that’s how it goes. If they could just sqeak out a win in 6 game 7 is anybodies.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jun 6 @ 6:10 AM ET
JR has said yes Sprong will be getting a good shot next season.
- Aussiepenguin

Hopefully the kid has learned how to play hockey.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 6 @ 7:13 AM ET
If we trade Kessel, I will cool substantially on Mike Sullivan. From JR's comments, the rift has largely formed from Phil not wanting to play on the third line, which to me is pretty (frank)ing understandable after HBK stopped being a thing.

First of all, Phil's unhappiness aside, if you're the head coach, you need to be adaptable and realize that third line Phil hasn't really worked in two years and that Malkin and Kessel are probably the best dynamic duo we have. Separating them really marginalizes Kessel.

Second of all, part of your job as a coach is employee management. This seems like such a stupid personal issue. While Phil is certainly not blameless in this scenario, coaches need to take the high road with star players to avoid disastrous trades. We will "lose" any Kessel because I just don't see us getting any package of current roster players that are more valuable to the team than Phil is. Most of the value in a Kessel trade will come in the form of futures, which won't help during the Crosby/Malkin Era.

Mike Sullivan needs to fix this.
joecool2931
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rillton, PA
Joined: 09.03.2015

Jun 6 @ 7:59 AM ET
Mike Sullivan needs to fix this.


I would generally agree with this, but its hard in Phil's case. I think Phil has to be veyr hard to work with. 3 Teams now have had problems in one way or another with Phil, Pittsburgh to a much lesser extent, but still, the problem is brewing. As a professional, you have to being willing to play with lesser talent for betterment of the team. Seriously, Sid had to play with Dominik Simon and ZAR for half of the year, adn you don't hear anything about him being disgruntled. Those 2 are not NHL talents adn if they are, they should not get anything above 4th line minutes.

Not to mention, we have won two Stanley Cups in a row. For the most part, the line up has been shuffled constantly but of all the players on the team, Phil playing with Geno has probably been the most consistant duo of the past 3 years. It really seems like HCMS does everything he can to find all the best combos. So to me, Phil is probably in the wrong.
TaxMan22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: North of the Mason Dixon Line, PA
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 6 @ 8:55 AM ET
Do you think that tonight the Cup gets lifted or does Vegas get their poop together and muster out a victory?
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jun 6 @ 9:13 AM ET
Do you think that tonight the Cup gets lifted or does Vegas get their poop together and muster out a victory?
- TaxMan22


Tomorrow your time isn't it?
TaxMan22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: North of the Mason Dixon Line, PA
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 6 @ 9:17 AM ET
If we trade Kessel, I will cool substantially on Mike Sullivan. From JR's comments, the rift has largely formed from Phil not wanting to play on the third line, which to me is pretty (frank)ing understandable after HBK stopped being a thing.

First of all, Phil's unhappiness aside, if you're the head coach, you need to be adaptable and realize that third line Phil hasn't really worked in two years and that Malkin and Kessel are probably the best dynamic duo we have. Separating them really marginalizes Kessel.

Second of all, part of your job as a coach is employee management. This seems like such a stupid personal issue. While Phil is certainly not blameless in this scenario, coaches need to take the high road with star players to avoid disastrous trades. We will "lose" any Kessel because I just don't see us getting any package of current roster players that are more valuable to the team than Phil is. Most of the value in a Kessel trade will come in the form of futures, which won't help during the Crosby/Malkin Era.

Mike Sullivan needs to fix this.

- Victoro311

Agreed. Phil is fast enough to skate with Crosby, why doesn't he play with Crosby more? Phil can fill the net still, happy Phil, more points. Besides, isn't that the knock on him, love the scoring hate the attitude? Who would you trade Phil to and what would the return be?
TaxMan22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: North of the Mason Dixon Line, PA
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 6 @ 9:18 AM ET
Tomorrow your time isn't it?
- Aussiepenguin

my bad
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