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BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jun 5 @ 2:38 PM ET
#27 and Forsberg for Faulk and Darling? Add an additional lower level prospect for 1-2 million retained?
- tvetter


Not sure. Leaves the Canes without even a potential starter. They have to do something there and free agency ain't giving them much.
BlazinMike
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 05.08.2013

Jun 5 @ 2:48 PM ET
I'm surprised about all the love Darling is getting on this board. Did anyone watch or pay any attention to him this past season? He was borderline trainwreck
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Jun 5 @ 2:50 PM ET
I'm not ready to ship Forsberg off yet. He's still our most promising goalie prospect, despite Delia's rise at the end of the year.

Forsberg could still be our #1 of the future, don't let last season's trouble fool you. Crawford had his hurdles to clear on his way to being our #1.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jun 5 @ 2:57 PM ET
I'm surprised about all the love Darling is getting on this board. Did anyone watch or pay any attention to him this past season? He was borderline trainwreck
- BlazinMike


Borderline?

It was worse than borderline.

He was a catastrophe.

He played 16 more minutes than Cam Ward, faced 35 fewer shots, and let in 19 more goals.

Ward's a good guy, but not a great goalie. Darling was substantially worse.

Cam Ward was 23-14-4, Darling was 13-21-7.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 5 @ 2:59 PM ET
Borderline?

It was worse than borderline.

He was a catastrophe.

He played 16 more minutes than Cam Ward, faced 35 fewer shots, and let in 19 more goals.

Ward's a good guy, but not a great goalie. Darling was substantially worse.

Cam Ward was 23-14-4, Darling was 13-21-7.

- BINGO!


Yet all we hear about is how StanBo let Kempney get away...
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 5 @ 3:00 PM ET
No - 100% wrong.

Once Karlsson's shooting percentage normalizes. I promise you he wont shoot 24% next year. That removes 20 goals.

With MAF in all probability falling back to earth and having a more normal regular season will also contribute to a falling goal differential.

There is literally nothing special about this team except for a few guys having outlier years (that they wont do again next year) and getting exceptional goaltending.

They will be a borderline playoff team at best next year unless they make some major acquisitions this summer.

Nothing different between this team and the Phoenix team in 2012 that went to the conference finals on a hot goalie that both the Hawks and Preds came up short against.

- fattybeef


IMO there are more than a team with a hot goalie and not really exactly like Phoenix in 2012. In 2012 Phoenix was steeply dominated at 5v5 statistically. Of the 16 teams in the playoffs that season.

Puck Possession they were dead last 16th
Shots for and against they were dead last 16th
Scoring Chance nearly last 14th
High Danger Change dead last 16th

Vegas is middle of the pack or better in these areas this season in the playoffs. They are actually tops in scoring chances differential. They are getting good goaltending and that is making the difference, but they seem to have proven they aren't just a fluke. Yes, it takes some luck to get this far, but they worked their butts off more than 95% of the other teams this season and it was easy to see when they played night after night. It wasn't like MAF carried them to the playoffs either, as the 22-11-3 record the other goalies had put them on a good pace.

They probably come down to earth some more (like they started to do as the season wore on) but the fate of their team lies in the hands of the GM who has lot of guys who aren't on long term contracts. They have huge flexibility in the next two seasons. It is entirely feasible they remain one of the better teams in their division. While there may be more "return to norm" for some individual players, I think there are also a number who will continue to play well because they have "stepped out of the shadow" of other players and taken the prime minutes for Vegas.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Jun 5 @ 3:01 PM ET
I'm not ready to ship Forsberg off yet. He's still our most promising goalie prospect, despite Delia's rise at the end of the year.

Forsberg could still be our #1 of the future, don't let last season's trouble fool you. Crawford had his hurdles to clear on his way to being our #1.

- ObeseOprah


Delia needs another year. I for one was bummed to see Darling traded. If for some reason CC is moved, Darling could man the pipes until Delia is ready. Sounds like Darling was not in the best of shape with the Canes. He is a local kid. I have no doubt he would be dialed in if he came back.
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Jun 5 @ 3:24 PM ET
Delia needs another year. I for one was bummed to see Darling traded. If for some reason CC is moved, Darling could man the pipes until Delia is ready. Sounds like Darling was not in the best of shape with the Canes. He is a local kid. I have no doubt he would be dialed in if he came back.
- z1990z

I think Darling would be fine because he would know he's the back up. There wouldn't be as much pressure on him.

ETA: that's assuming Crawford is not traded.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jun 5 @ 3:34 PM ET
Yet all we hear about is how StanBo let Kempney get away...
- riozzo

Stan did not let Kempny go .That is on Q completely ..

The Goalie we should be looking at is Hutton
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Jun 5 @ 3:36 PM ET
Doug Weight and Garth Snow canned by the Islanders...

Wonder if that will have any impact on Tavares.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 5 @ 3:41 PM ET
Stan did not let Kempny go .That is on Q completely ..

The Goalie we should be looking at is Hutton

- oldduffman


StanBo made the trade, he could have grow a set and told Q to stuff it - he acquiesced
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Jun 5 @ 3:54 PM ET
StanBo made the trade, he could have grow a set and told Q to stuff it - he acquiesced
- riozzo

What would that have accomplished? Kempny would be gone as soon as FA opens up, and we would have nothing. His trade was 99% on Q.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jun 5 @ 3:56 PM ET
What would that have accomplished? Kempny would be gone as soon as FA opens up, and we would have nothing. His trade was 99% on Q.
- tvetter

Not my point, most female dog about kempney being gone and overlook darling.
BlazinMike
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 05.08.2013

Jun 5 @ 4:38 PM ET
Borderline?

It was worse than borderline.

He was a catastrophe.

He played 16 more minutes than Cam Ward, faced 35 fewer shots, and let in 19 more goals.

Ward's a good guy, but not a great goalie. Darling was substantially worse.

Cam Ward was 23-14-4, Darling was 13-21-7.

- BINGO!


Happy you chimed in on this because i didn't know for sure and was too lazy to look up stats or anything. Just remember you talking about how bad he was and then seeing a couple games where he was just so awful.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 5 @ 4:41 PM ET
No - 100% wrong.

Once Karlsson's shooting percentage normalizes. I promise you he wont shoot 24% next year. That removes 20 goals.

With MAF in all probability falling back to earth and having a more normal regular season will also contribute to a falling goal differential.

There is literally nothing special about this team except for a few guys having outlier years (that they wont do again next year) and getting exceptional goaltending.

They will be a borderline playoff team at best next year unless they make some major acquisitions this summer.

Nothing different between this team and the Phoenix team in 2012 that went to the conference finals on a hot goalie that both the Hawks and Preds came up short against.

- fattybeef


I agree to certain degree, yes they may not make the playoffs next year, but the effort this team made/played to get here was incredible sure MAF played great but so did the team, 200 feet of hockey all season and all playoffs. To minimize their effort just isn't fair considering they beat an incredibly talented team in the Jets and made it all the way to the Stanley Cup.

On the flip side without Holtby the Caps would probably be watching hockey right now, Goober was really really bad, i see Ovi(popular vote) getting the MVP but Without Holtby just like Vegas MAF neither team would be here.

Hope CC is back otherwise it's going to be another tough season
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Jun 5 @ 4:52 PM ET
I thought Scotty Bowman makes all the calls, not Q....that he is just the "puppet".

So isnt it Scottys fault?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 5 @ 4:55 PM ET
What would that have accomplished? Kempny would be gone as soon as FA opens up, and we would have nothing. His trade was 99% on Q.
- tvetter


All this love for Kempny and all he'll ever be is a #5 defenseman. I watch him with the Caps and he still struggles defensively.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 5 @ 5:02 PM ET
I'm surprised about all the love Darling is getting on this board. Did anyone watch or pay any attention to him this past season? He was borderline trainwreck
- BlazinMike


I said this yesterday, but the last thing I want is to have Darling here. Hawks need to stop this trend of bringing ex-players back - it doesn't work. Always feels like a PR move to me or something to please the fans who love a human interest story.

Maybe last year was a fluke. Maybe it was him showing his true ability. Either way, I don't want the Hawks taking a chance to find out.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jun 5 @ 5:14 PM ET
All this love for Kempny and all he'll ever be is a #5 defenseman. I watch him with the Caps and he still struggles defensively.
- BetweenTheDots


Wrong, he is literally locked in as the Capitals #4 Dman and they are (likely) going to win the Stanley Cup! Trevor Daley did the exact same thing stepping in as a #4 for Pittsburgh. John Carlson has always been known for his offense first, so it's not like he's playing with Nick Lidstrom in his prime. If it makes you all sleep better at night to diminish the play of Daley with Pittsburgh or Kempny with Washington, that is your right. However, the reality of the situation is that he is playing close to 18 minutes per night with their #1 D and has been quite effective. Believe me, I'm as shocked as anyone to see Kempny excel with Washington after watching him suck it up with the Hawks for 1.5 seasons. Just shows you how much the mental side of the game impacts performance. Confidence is key.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 5 @ 5:20 PM ET
Wrong, he is literally locked in as the Cap #4 Dman and they are (likely) going to win the Stanley Cup! Trevor Daley did the exact same thing stepping in as a #4 for Pittsburgh. John Carlson has always been known for his offense first, so it's not like he's playing with Nick Lidstrom in his prime. If it makes you all sleep better at night to diminish the play of Daley with Pittsburgh or Kempny with Washington, that is your right. However, the reality of the situation is that he is playing close to 18 minutes per night with their #1 D and has been quite effective. Believe me, I'm as shocked as anyone to see Kempny excel with Washington after watching him suck it up with the Hawks for 1.5 seasons. Just shows you how much the mental side of the game impacts performance. Confidence is key.
- EnzoD



I never disliked Kempny when he was here.

I'll say this...guys play differently in different systems. I don't think the Hawks system was the best fit for him. He goes to Washington and has found success.

Good for him.

That's sports.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 5 @ 5:27 PM ET
Wrong, he is literally locked in as the Capitals #4 Dman and they are (likely) going to win the Stanley Cup! Trevor Daley did the exact same thing stepping in as a #4 for Pittsburgh. John Carlson has always been known for his offense first, so it's not like he's playing with Nick Lidstrom in his prime. If it makes you all sleep better at night to diminish the play of Daley with Pittsburgh or Kempny with Washington, that is your right. However, the reality of the situation is that he is playing close to 18 minutes per night with their #1 D and has been quite effective. Believe me, I'm as shocked as anyone to see Kempny excel with Washington after watching him suck it up with the Hawks for 1.5 seasons. Just shows you how much the mental side of the game impacts performance. Confidence is key.
- EnzoD


^^^^^^^^^^ This!

“I’m really appreciative,” Kempny said. “Especially [because of] those bad days in Chicago. I didn’t know what to do. I lost completely my confidence. If I stayed in Chicago, after the season, who knows?”

Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Jun 5 @ 5:28 PM ET
^^^^^^^^^^ This!

“I’m really appreciative,” Kempny said. “Especially

- walleyeb1[because of] those bad days in Chicago. I didn’t know what to do. I lost completely my confidence. If I stayed in Chicago, after the season, who knows?”


Confidence is huge in sports and life. It's everything.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Jun 5 @ 5:42 PM ET
^^^^^^^^^^ This!

“I’m really appreciative,” Kempny said. “Especially

- walleyeb1[because of] those bad days in Chicago. I didn’t know what to do. I lost completely my confidence. If I stayed in Chicago, after the season, who knows?”


The 8-dman rotation was a disaster for this reason. There are these Kempny quotes coming out, along with Cody Franson echoing the same thing from his condo in Rockford.

I heard quite a bit throughout the year on how their were internal quarrels about this use of the 23 man roster and not a lot of it was good.

I would be surpised if we see any more than 7 dmen on the active roster next year for an extended period of time.

TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Jun 5 @ 5:47 PM ET
Savvy,

You know that Eddie O gives Emrick 20 bucks every time Emrick says, former blackhawk, Michael Kempny.....

Hilarious.

If you had to take one of Kempny or Duncan Keith for the next 3 years...today...who would you pick?
TTtime
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.17.2015

Jun 5 @ 5:54 PM ET
Happy you chimed in on this because i didn't know for sure and was too lazy to look up stats or anything. Just remember you talking about how bad he was and then seeing a couple games where he was just so awful.
- BlazinMike


he doesn't know. the guy roams from thread to thread looking for a friend.
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