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BMWChiFan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: St Louis, MO
Joined: 04.12.2016

Jun 4 @ 3:47 PM ET
Just throwing out trade rumors for conversation, even if some of them are not realistic or even crazy.

Chill out and have some ice cream.

- AEL_Fox


How do you like this one, AELFox a/k/a Ek II: Laine and Big Buff for Duclair and Tootoo?
hocktock
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Over by dere.
Joined: 07.15.2015

Jun 4 @ 3:50 PM ET
Jesperi Kotkaniemi

John Tavares

Andreas Martinsen (i know. Ufa )

Jeff Glass

Victor Ejedsell

And....CC, AA and Vinny to nyi for 2018 10 and 11 pick. =Noah Dobson and Joe Veleno.
27 pick Hossa and Anton Forsberg to Carolina for Justin Faulk.
Nick Scmaltz and Blake Hillman to Anaheim for Josh Manson.

Then we add as we go.

Go Hocks
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 4 @ 3:57 PM ET
Thing is Walleye "most" Hawk fans didn't need this piece to know what it said but I do like it. Head up, can skate, will hit, can help in the Ozone, few hundred pro games, 900k cap hit. What's not to like? Don't need a scouts eye to see this.

Maybe if Rocky reads enough of these, he won't from Chicago media, and makes some changes a Hawk fan might begin to see some light at the end of the tunnel. And to stay redundant whomever plays 1LW, 2 LW, 2C, 3C, 3rd pair D won't matter much and this piece shows the reason why. Can't have a GM and coach not only not on the same page but in different libraries!! .......

Love how Trotz covers for Q saying we play a different system then goes on to say Kempny finds holes and fills them getting great looks, moves the puck, strong skater (no Q don't dig those things).

Also love that the writer mentions Daley too and that the Hawks may have added the missing element to the last 2 cup teams. But like most have said after Kempny went thru the "Hawk experience" it's amazing they got a 3rd for him.

“The trade probably saved me,” Kempny said. “When you don’t play 13 games in a row, you just work out and skate, you don’t feel like a part of the team. I felt like the last warm body on the bench. You feel like nothing.”

- Mr Ricochet



I think the thing is the Daley trade was bad (because the return was crap) but the Kempny trade wasn't. This is just IMO, but I don't think playing Kempny every night would have fixed the Hawks issues. I don't think Daley was really the answer to the issues with the Hawks when he was here either (as the bottom 6 Forward for the Hawks were awful at the time), so why not trade assets who aren't fitting in. There is probably blame to go around in terms of a guy not playing to his potential, but Kempny isn't a superstar that was wasted either. Especially as this season wore on and the Hawks playoff hopes were fading, where was the value in giving minutes to a guy who was likely to test the UFA market vs seeing what you have in other younger assets.

Don't get me wrong, I don't assume Q or the Hawks staff are perfect but what team is? The Hawks have been on the receiving end of some deals too where players get more opportunity or needed a change of scenery. When you are winning everything you touch is gold and when you miss the playoffs fans nitpick everything.


Edit: Just to clarify my point, the Hawks aren't hurting for guys that play LD and slot in second or third pair. They have a number of those already.
hocktock
Chicago Blackhawks
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Jun 4 @ 3:59 PM ET
I forgot. We get Darling from Carolina, too.sweeten if necessary.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Jun 4 @ 4:01 PM ET
How do you like this one, AELFox a/k/a Ek II: Laine and Big Buff for Duclair and Tootoo?
- BMWChiFan

You and I both know that this proposed trade goes in the crazy pile.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 4 @ 4:05 PM ET
You and I both know that this proposed trade goes in the crazy pile.
- AEL_Fox


I think this trade happens as soon they finalize the deal for Malkin.
Scott1977
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jun 4 @ 4:55 PM ET
Just throwing out trade rumors for conversation, even if some of them are not realistic or even crazy.

Chill out and have some ice cream.

- AEL_Fox


Agree ek mention cory Schneider is on the Islanders radar for both picks so why not Crawford for the 11th pick not both picks plus hawks would gain 6 million in cap space, I know wishful thinking if Crawford is 100% healthy hawks should explore that kind of trade. Plus rumors are rumors for all of us to discuss different trade options for fun until something actually happens so relax everyone and fun with it.
Panarin27
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 05.25.2015

Jun 4 @ 4:58 PM ET
Agree ek mention cory Schneider is on the Islanders radar for both picks so why not Crawford for the 11th pick not both picks plus hawks would gain 6 million in cap space, I know wishful thinking if Crawford is 100% healthy hawks should explore that kind of trade. Plus rumors are rumors for all of us to discuss different trade options for fun until something actually happens so relax everyone and fun with it.
- Scott1977


I can see the hawks trading for one of the picks as well as (possibly) Ho-Sang for Crow and Vinnie. The problem is finding the replacement for Crow. Not too many impressive UFA goaltenders on the market, unfortunately.
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Jun 4 @ 5:03 PM ET
It's not about Q mishandling Kempny. Anybody can be traded for any number of reasons. The elephant in the room for this poor dismantled team is about receiving something of equal or greater value back for your team in all trades. There is no way to overstress this especially in this situation. Then it's giving out contracts that benefit the Blackhawks and not to just anyone who then doesn't live up to it for whatever reason or gets old or otherwise does not help the team by not performing for any reason to the level of the pay. Plain stupid. Destructive. Let the player agent worry about getting something for the player. Let mgt worry about benefit to the team not the player. And here we are.
Scott1977
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Chicago Blackhawks
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Jun 4 @ 5:03 PM ET
I can see the hawks trading for one of the picks as well as (possibly) Ho-Sang for Crow and Vinnie. The problem is finding the replacement for Crow. Not too many impressive UFA goaltenders on the market, unfortunately.
- Panarin27


Package the 27th pick with hossa and hino forsling and 3rd to Carolina for darling and faulk or fleruy and mcginn/roy think Justin had trade proposal similar to this one in previous blog.
Panarin27
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 05.25.2015

Jun 4 @ 5:08 PM ET
Package the 27th pick with hossa and hino forsling and 3rd to Carolina for darling and faulk or fleruy and mcginn/roy think Justin had trade proposal similar to this one in previous blog.
- Scott1977


That's a good plan, would solve three problems at once. Hopefully Carolina would be interested.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Jun 4 @ 5:09 PM ET
https://www.tsn.ca/talent/caps-kempny-could-be-one-of-best-value-trades-in-history-1.1102880
- VopatsRash


So that whole kerfuffle.

My argument for keeping Kempny and being forgiving around some of the mistakes is that he is a tremendous skater, is built like a fire hydrant and has a bomb of a shot.

Not a lot of guys with wheels, with the exception of Campbell and Keith (though I have more to say here) have success under Q.

The Hawks want their defenders to pass first and either release the forward on the far side or play patty cake with the other defender until that happens (the center should also be coming in deeper to pick up the puck but what do I know).

When Campbell was with San Jose he carried the puck. A lot. Here, not at all but he was good enough to make a first pass or get a shot through defenders.

Kempny constantly carries the puck which I think is mainly an ice time issue since there isnt that space on the boards to skate up like in Europe. Q and crew do not allow their defenders to do this ever unless its TVR or Osterle because that makes sense.

Kempny also carried his stick up a lot rather than having it on the ice either poke checking the defender or cutting off passing lanes. Again a big oh no no on the Hawks.

Keith's worst years have been when he has been forced to retreat rather than jump the neutral zone and disrupt plays and create turnovers to get the puck quickly moving the other way. When he doesn't do that it kind of kills a lot of his usefulness.

Anyway, I think there is a gap between player skills and the coaching staff being adaptable enough to take advantage of what is actually there. They want to shove square pegs in round holes and without Crawford being Crawford it really makes a bad situation ugly.

Point being - the coaching staff needs to make some adjustments on how they disrupt the neutral zone, hold their own blue line and then exit the zone or no matter who they put on the blue line its going to be problematic.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 4 @ 5:20 PM ET
I think the thing is the Daley trade was bad (because the return was crap) but the Kempny trade wasn't. This is just IMO, but I don't think playing Kempny every night would have fixed the Hawks issues. I don't think Daley was really the answer to the issues with the Hawks when he was here either (as the bottom 6 Forward for the Hawks were awful at the time), so why not trade assets who aren't fitting in. There is probably blame to go around in terms of a guy not playing to his potential, but Kempny isn't a superstar that was wasted either. Especially as this season wore on and the Hawks playoff hopes were fading, where was the value in giving minutes to a guy who was likely to test the UFA market vs seeing what you have in other younger assets.

Don't get me wrong, I don't assume Q or the Hawks staff are perfect but what team is? The Hawks have been on the receiving end of some deals too where players get more opportunity or needed a change of scenery. When you are winning everything you touch is gold and when you miss the playoffs fans nitpick everything.


Edit: Just to clarify my point, the Hawks aren't hurting for guys that play LD and slot in second or third pair. They have a number of those already.

- breadbag


And it's important to add the trade is a few months old. Time will tell as with all trades but agree that a 3rd for Kempny was excellent whether that pick is good or not.

I'm on record as saying neither Q or StanBow has to go but the two together just don't work but seeing a Kempny and Daley do so well so soon after getting away from Q's heavy hand says much. ......

Q doesn't seem to understand this is a cap world, Hawks had been in cap hell and within those parameters two players who get to the 4th rd with his rejects tells me he needs to round out some square holes to make these kinds fit.


Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Jun 4 @ 5:37 PM ET
A third for Kempny was excellent......for Washington not Chicago. Chicago got destroyed again.
https://www.tsn.ca/talent...ades-in-history-1.1102880
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jun 4 @ 5:48 PM ET

Let's pump the brakes a little with all the ridiculous talk about Kempny, Daley, etc.

In all reality Kempny is a 3rd pairing defenseman. Yeah, the Caps are in the cup, and he has been playing OK, but the reality is that he is getting sheltered minutes and he is far from the reason that the Caps are where they are. In similar fashion, Daley wasn't some revelation to the Pens that put them over the top on their cup that season.

Both Daley and Kempny are playing in systems that are completely different than what was asked of them in Chicago. They both showed the same tendencies and mistakes they did in Chicago with their new clubs, but had different roles and expectations placed upon them. The Blackhawks with either of them on the team getting regular minutes was not going to yield a much different outcome than what there was.

Close inspection of the play of Kempny, Daley, Leddy and some of the other traded d-men yields the same conclusion......they aren't great in their own end. I know that Savvyone still pines for Leddy, but reality shows that he is still not a great defender. On a decent defensive team, he is at best a #4. Leddy was young when he was with the Hawks, and there was hope he could develop into a better player in his own end, but he really hasn't. Kempny's upside at 27 years old is probably limited (though the same could be said about Rutta), but you hope maybe Forsling, Murphy and some of the other younger d-men still have higher ceilings.

Like others have said over and over, Kempny was not going to re-sign with the Hawks, so getting a 3rd rounder for him was a steal, but because the Caps have come this far lets not make it seem like all of a sudden the Hawks traded away the next coming of....insert your 1st pairing defense man name here......
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jun 4 @ 5:58 PM ET
And it's important to add the trade is a few months old. Time will tell as with all trades but agree that a 3rd for Kempny was excellent whether that pick is good or not.

I'm on record as saying neither Q or StanBow has to go but the two together just don't work but seeing a Kempny and Daley do so well so soon after getting away from Q's heavy hand says much. ......

Q doesn't seem to understand this is a cap world, Hawks had been in cap hell and within those parameters two players who get to the 4th rd with his rejects tells me he needs to round out some square holes to make these kinds fit.

- Mr Ricochet


Grain of salt....the teams they were traded to did well, how much of that could be attributed directly to them is debatable. Thru the eyes of Hawks fans who want Q and/or Bowman gone, Kempny and Daley were the missing pieces and those teams don't get to the cup without them. Thru the eyes of some, they were small parts of teams that probably win with other options in those positions as well.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Jun 4 @ 5:59 PM ET
A third for Kempny was excellent......for Washington not Chicago. Chicago got destroyed again.
https://www.tsn.ca/talent...ades-in-history-1.1102880

- Savoy

They may lose this trade , depends on the return for the 3rd . Also what Kempny signs for and where .HAWKS had to make the deal now as Kempny was not coming back as long as Q Was here and Q Ruined his value by wrongly benching him for multiple games in a row //
Abadseed
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Arlington hts, IL
Joined: 01.20.2014

Jun 4 @ 6:06 PM ET
A third for Kempny was excellent......for Washington not Chicago. Chicago got destroyed again.
https://www.tsn.ca/talent...ades-in-history-1.1102880

- Savoy



How is it they got destroyed? They turned a fa who wasn’t playing per coaches decision into a 3rd rounder
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jun 4 @ 6:08 PM ET
They may lose this trade , depends on the return for the 3rd . Also what Kempny signs for and where .HAWKS had to make the deal now as Kempny was not coming back as long as Q Was here and Q Ruined his value by wrongly benching him for multiple games in a row //
- oldduffman


Nothing to lose. As you say, he was gone next season anyway. Regardless of what the 3rd rd. pick turns out to be, they received an asset for essentially nothing. If Stan tries to play hardball at the deadline and doesn't trade him, he walks and they get zip. If he was playing more and/or better with the Hawks could they have received more for him at the trade deadline......maybe, maybe not.

Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Jun 4 @ 6:21 PM ET
Grain of salt....the teams they were traded to did well, how much of that could be attributed directly to them is debatable. Thru the eyes of Hawks fans who want Q and/or Bowman gone, Kempny and Daley were the missing pieces and those teams don't get to the cup without them. Thru the eyes of some, they were small parts of teams that probably win with other options in those positions as well.
- TheTrob


Grain of salt as in you can mold this into fitting both sides of the argument? Sure, but nothing can be taken in a vacuum. The Hawks have been in cap hell for a while in fact that's how Daley got here in a dump of Sharp money. ...... In Daley and Kempny Q was given two veteran mobile Dmen who are + skaters in cap hell context. It's up to Q to make what is given him work in that context. He didn't and the next coaches did.

That is not subjective. Arguing the Pens could have won the cup without Daley and the Caps would have been in rd 4 without Kempny is subjective.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Jun 4 @ 6:36 PM ET
Grain of salt as in you can mold this into fitting both sides of the argument? Sure, but nothing can be taken in a vacuum. The Hawks have been in cap hell for a while in fact that's how Daley got here in a dump of Sharp money. ...... In Daley and Kempny Q was given two veteran mobile Dmen who are + skaters in cap hell context. It's up to Q to make what is given him work in that context. He didn't and the next coaches did.

That is not subjective. Arguing the Pens could have won the cup without Daley and the Caps would have been in rd 4 without Kempny is subjective.

- Mr Ricochet



Preach it baby...
35Tony0
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Chicago Blackhawks
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Jun 4 @ 6:41 PM ET
I've not seen anything from Kempny to preclude him from regular shifts as a defenseman, 3rd pairing with upside to 2nd pairing. The extended press box stints were:
a.) unwarranted, and;
b.) drove down his trade value while ensuring he would not resign here.
Further, unless there was an heretofore undisclosed attitude problem, or some such, his handling by 'Hawk management was a huge mistake.
I could see a game here and a game there is the pressbox, but the way he was handled in Chicago looks like horse-bleep.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Jun 4 @ 6:57 PM ET
Let's pump the brakes a little with all the ridiculous talk about Kempny, Daley, etc.

In all reality Kempny is a 3rd pairing defenseman. Yeah, the Caps are in the cup, and he has been playing OK, but the reality is that he is getting sheltered minutes and he is far from the reason that the Caps are where they are. In similar fashion, Daley wasn't some revelation to the Pens that put them over the top on their cup that season.

Both Daley and Kempny are playing in systems that are completely different than what was asked of them in Chicago. They both showed the same tendencies and mistakes they did in Chicago with their new clubs, but had different roles and expectations placed upon them. The Blackhawks with either of them on the team getting regular minutes was not going to yield a much different outcome than what there was.

Close inspection of the play of Kempny, Daley, Leddy and some of the other traded d-men yields the same conclusion......they aren't great in their own end. I know that Savvyone still pines for Leddy, but reality shows that he is still not a great defender. On a decent defensive team, he is at best a #4. Leddy was young when he was with the Hawks, and there was hope he could develop into a better player in his own end, but he really hasn't. Kempny's upside at 27 years old is probably limited (though the same could be said about Rutta), but you hope maybe Forsling, Murphy and some of the other younger d-men still have higher ceilings.

Like others have said over and over, Kempny was not going to re-sign with the Hawks, so getting a 3rd rounder for him was a steal, but because the Caps have come this far lets not make it seem like all of a sudden the Hawks traded away the next coming of....insert your 1st pairing defense man name here......

- TheTrob


The key here is the fact that he wasn’t going to resign here. That didn’t happen in a vacuum, and I wouldn’t call getting a third a steal. Granted it will probably take years to find out what if anything that third round pick turns into.
dahawks8819
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.29.2014

Jun 4 @ 7:36 PM ET
They may lose this trade , depends on the return for the 3rd . Also what Kempny signs for and where .HAWKS had to make the deal now as Kempny was not coming back as long as Q Was here and Q Ruined his value by wrongly benching him for multiple games in a row //
- oldduffman


Can we just put this Kempney love to bed already????

He is not a good defenseman. He turns the puck over in the middle of the ice at least twice a game. That his goalie bails him out does not make him good.

He is playing with an all-star in Carlsson, and has better forward support than he did here.

That Bowman got ANYTHING for him is a win!!!!!
L_B_R
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.23.2014

Jun 4 @ 8:14 PM ET
The key here is the fact that he wasn’t going to resign here. That didn’t happen in a vacuum, and I wouldn’t call getting a third a steal. Granted it will probably take years to find out what if anything that third round pick turns into.
- walleyeb1

Agreed, getting a 3rd wasn't a steal but it was fair value at least. Look at the other d-men traded at or around the TDL: Ian Cole for 2020 3rd + b/c-level prospect, Joe Morrow for a 2018 4th, Brandon Davidson for a 2019 3rd, Nick Holden for 2018 3rd + c-level prospect, and Mike Reilly for a 2019 5th.

I would have preferred Kempny to work out for the Hawks, but however it happened, getting fair market value for a player that wasn't going to resign (he admits he was planning to go back to Europe) is fine.

And for all the praise Kempny is getting, he has a sub 50% GF% in the playoffs, last among Caps d-men. He had some major mistakes that have cost them games - those errors in games 3/4 against the Lightning are part of why that round even went 7.
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