One more from Edmonton:

When asked if they are looking to trade up or down or hold on the No. 10 pick, Chiarelli said.

“Well we actually dropped down one in the Lottery. We’d been planning at No. 9 for a while but we knew we could drop down. I know there are teams ahead of us who have positional needs different from ours so that usually means there is an ability to move up. We would look at that.”

Canes aren't in a position to take on dead cap space.

clearing cap space was part of the reason for trading Kruger away.

Yeah, somehow I overlooked Orlov when I was looking at their ice time. That said Kempny appears to have worked out quite well for the Caps.
- walleyeb1

Yeah. It could be a win-win trade. Hawks weren't going to need him and seemed like he wasn't going to resign. Caps might win the cup with him helping solidify the D.

Sorry was in hurry writing the post hawks need a shutdown d man like carlsson in the system and I believe hawks are in the driver seat as far as hossa's contract keep it use the LTRI money or make bigger hockey trade with hossa's contract included.
- Scott1977

You're not in the driver's seat when you're trying to trade a dead weight contract away.

You're not in the driver's seat when you're trying to trade a dead weight contract away.
- BINGO!

They are in the drivers seat in terms of the need to move it or not. They are not in a situation where they "MUST" make a trade. They can choose to make a trade or they can just ride out the LTIR.

They are in the drivers seat in terms of the need to move it or not. They are not in a situation where they "MUST" make a trade. They can choose to make a trade or they can just ride out the LTIR.
- breadbag

In theory. I wonder if the league will consider him officially retired now that he's said it himself, though Chris Pronger was working for the league while still under contract to a team so who knows. I'm sure that as long as he doesn't fill out the official retirement papers you guys will be fine.

In theory. I wonder if the league will consider him officially retired now that he's said it himself, though Chris Pronger was working for the league while still under contract to a team so who knows. I'm sure that as long as he doesn't fill out the official retirement papers you guys will be fine.
- BINGO!

They would have no leg to stand on to force that, so no reason to think they would single Hossa out.

Edit: Just to add, I mean single out in terms of the other players who are in similar situations or have been in the past. LTIR to end their career.

Some Examples: Johan Franzen, Marc Savard, Chris Pronger, Dave Bolland, David Clarkson, Nathan Horton, Joffrey Lupul...I'm sure there are so many more.

Hey Justin - Hossa's contract actually has value to low market teams that are trying to reach the cap floor. I think teams like Carolina and Arizona would be very interested in taking on Hossa's $5.3M AVV to hit the cap floor while only paying $1M in salary. That is a $4.3M salary savings to these low market teams that are trying to hit the floor. I don't expect hawks have to give up any sort of significant asset to dump Hossa to one of these teams. Don't you agree?

Hey Justin - Hossa's contract actually has value to low market teams that are trying to reach the cap floor. I think teams like Carolina and Arizona would be very interested in taking on Hossa's $5.3M AVV to hit the cap floor while only paying $1M in salary. That is a $4.3M salary savings to these low market teams that are trying to hit the floor. I don't expect hawks have to give up any sort of significant asset to dump Hossa to one of these teams. Don't you agree?
- bkerpec

No they wouldn't.

That's the opposite of what they've been doing.

They would have no leg to stand on to force that, so no reason to think they would single Hossa out.

Edit: Just to add, I mean single out in terms of the other players who are in similar situations or have been in the past. LTIR to end their career.

Some Examples: Johan Franzen, Marc Savard, Chris Pronger, Dave Bolland, David Clarkson, Nathan Horton, Joffrey Lupul...I'm sure there are so many more.
- breadbag

Yeah, I hear ya. The league set a bad precedent with that one, in my opinion.

I didn't mean to come off condescending or anything - if that's how it read I apologize. My way of responding is just robotically spitting out info that pops into my head and that may or may not be completely relevant lol.
- L_B_R

Just playing. However, what you said about the Draft is actually wrong. Drafts are deeper and deeper now. All the picks in the First Round can be very important. There are gems at the end of the First Round, 25 to 31. Hawks got Jokiharju at 29 for example. Great players also fall into the Second Round too because of many factors including size, attitude and simply being overlooked or poorly scouted. See: DeBrincat. Can fall even further. See: Point. While there may be little to separate players in the much later Rounds there certainly should be clear separation between pick 25 and late Third Round if a team scouts properly.

There is going to be a player at the Draft that is a wild-card - Merkley. I would love the Hawks to draft him because of his otherworldly skill and skating which he has displayed on the International stage. He has an “attitude” problem that began as a 16 year old when he was Rookie of the Year of the OHL while playing on an awful team. This after he was drafted No. 1 into the OHL. Hard to predict when Merkley will be drafted. Hope Hawks get him. A real smart team may draft him early based on his skill or he could fall.

Yeah, I hear ya. The league set a bad precedent with that one, in my opinion.
- BINGO!

Most of those contracts signed that long ago are in the process of sun setting organically anyway.

Does anyone really think they will trade 19???

Does anyone really think they will trade 19???
- TJYTJY

Totally! Toews for Kruger!

Totally! Toews for Kruger!
- DarthKane

Hilarious

Totally! Toews for Kruger!
- DarthKane

With 85% of Toews Salary Retained and Nordstrom also coming back 😉

Does anyone really think they will trade 19???
- TJYTJY

No only if he asks to be traded? It would also symbol the start of a full rebuild in my opinion.

Here a question for you where would you trade towes to and for what hypothetically speaking?

Hey Justin - Hossa's contract actually has value to low market teams that are trying to reach the cap floor. I think teams like Carolina and Arizona would be very interested in taking on Hossa's $5.3M AVV to hit the cap floor while only paying $1M in salary. That is a $4.3M salary savings to these low market teams that are trying to hit the floor. I don't expect hawks have to give up any sort of significant asset to dump Hossa to one of these teams. Don't you agree?
- bkerpec

Not sure what the cap floor will be, but based on percentages to the current cap/floor numbers I came up with some rough estimates:

$80,000,00 - $59,093,333

$79,000,000 - $58,354,666

$78,000,000 - $57,616,000

He’s playing as their 3rd Dman ATOI 17:43 over 21 games!
- walleyeb1

Curious your thoughts on Kempny, Walleye?

On the train wreck that was the Hawk D how this guy couldn't be penciled in most nights is beyond me unless the Hawks decided the season is lost lets give Gus, Oesterle and Forsling types ice time unless the risk of ruining them is real..... And if so the guy at 900k, 50+ games international experience, 60 KHL games, 200 pro Czech games he's a fine fit as a hold the fort guy.

Can't argue that he isn't skating with the top D points man in the league.

Anyway his TOI is uneven and low due to no special teams TOI. Last 10 games (scroll down): https://leftwinglock.com/...p1=Michal%20Kempny&flag=y

Yeah I don't know why he's so pissy that I was posting my own crappy reviews of players.


- ObeseOprah

Your reviews aren't crappy. I don't see them all but read the ones I do. Anyone who puts in the time to read reviews on players, watche some You Tube as well as watch Jr games online or on the NHL Network then take the time to put thoughts down I'll read.

Keep posting.

Curious your thoughts on Kempny, Walleye?

On the train wreck that was the Hawk D how this guy couldn't be penciled in most nights is beyond me unless the Hawks decided the season is lost lets give Gus, Oesterle and Forsling types ice time unless the risk of ruining them is real..... And if so the guy at 900k, 50+ games international experience, 60 KHL games, 200 pro Czech games he's a fine fit as a hold the fort guy.

Can't argue that he isn't skating with the top D points man in the league.

Anyway his TOI is uneven and low due to no special teams TOI. Last 10 games (scroll down): https://leftwinglock.com/...p1=Michal%20Kempny&flag=y
- Mr Ricochet

I think he was a perfectly serviceable 2nd pairing Dman who got caught up in as you say “a train wreck”. This was a team that had no idea of who they were or how they wanted to play.

A team that was never on the same page from the coaching staff, to the forwards, to the Dmen. Just my opinion but I think he’d had enough and let it be known he didn’t want to continue to be part of this fiasco and wouldn’t be resigning.

So we got what we could for him.

Not sure what the cap floor will be, but based on percentages to the current cap/floor numbers I came up with some rough estimates:

$80,000,00 - $59,093,333

$79,000,000 - $58,354,666

$78,000,000 - $57,616,000
- walleyeb1

I have ben saying, why doesn't the PA demand the floor to go up by 5 million. Why is it almost 21 million off the ceiling? You wonder why the Yotes have failed for all these years, playing on the cheap. If the ceiling and floor are closer to the same, them higher contract players beome easieer to trade. It's so logical that the NHL can't see it.

Does anyone really think they will trade 19???
- TJYTJY

Carcillo posted a vid of Toews working out at the Hawks practice facility today. Much earlier than he has said he gets back to hockey training on an off year. Good sign?

https://twitter.com/CarBo...tatus/1002728405996011520

Just playing. However, what you said about the Draft is actually wrong. Drafts are deeper and deeper now. All the picks in the First Round can be very important. There are gems at the end of the First Round, 25 to 31. Hawks got Jokiharju at 29 for example. Great players also fall into the Second Round too because of many factors including size, attitude and simply being overlooked or poorly scouted. See: DeBrincat. Can fall even further. See: Point. While there may be little to separate players in the much later Rounds there certainly should be clear separation between pick 25 and late Third Round if a team scouts properly.

There is going to be a player at the Draft that is a wild-card - Merkley. I would love the Hawks to draft him because of his otherworldly skill and skating which he has displayed on the International stage. He has an “attitude” problem that began as a 16 year old when he was Rookie of the Year of the OHL while playing on an awful team. This after he was drafted No. 1 into the OHL. Hard to predict when Merkley will be drafted. Hope Hawks get him. A real smart team may draft him early based on his skill or he could fall.
- Z3Hawk

There obvs is difference between a late 1st pick and a third, but the fall off in value is smaller between 25 and 85 than between 5 and 25. I didn't mean to imply a 3rd was as good as a 1st, just noting that value of picks slopes drastically after 5/10 and the gentley from about 25 out until it mostly plateaus.

And yep, there are always gems of players everywhere in draft (and busts too), though history shows (even more recent drafts) that value for picks have stayed the same pretty much year over year. Those gems that fall are still in the probility value range. It's why quantity is a great strategy for late 1st round onward - higher chance to land one of those gems. Good scouting teams should def be able to differentiate but overall across the league the value ranges have stayed consistent. For every Jokiharju at 29 there is an Emerson Etem a different year in the same spot. It's kind of cool, actually.

Merekley is a high reward type of player. It'll be interesting to see what happens with him.

I have ben saying, why doesn't the PA demand the floor to go up by 5 million. Why is it almost 21 million off the ceiling? You wonder why the Yotes have failed for all these years, playing on the cheap. If the ceiling and floor are closer to the same, them higher contract players beome easieer to trade. It's so logical that the NHL can't see it.
- powerenforcer

That’s the flaw in your argument. It’s the nhl and they don’t seem to apply logic to their processes.

I agree totally with you in your argument. Salary cap should have a very, very narrow band between floor and ceiling.

I can’t stand and don’t follow soccer whatsoever, and only recently learned about relegation after becoming friends with a guy at work from England. I am all for financial relegation; if the teams can sustain themselves, shut them down and compress the league. There are a few teams in markets where they don’t belong and too many marginally skilled players in the league.

I haven’t thought this through, but I like the idea of teams being able to buy unused cap space from teams below the ceiling. Maybe the league calculates aggregate unused cap space and allows teams to buy or bid on using this unused space to supplement their cap limit by 5 or 10%. Purchase price goes to charity or to fund medical or retirement for older players, fund research for something or even to invest in the sport’s growth. Let a team stay over the cap limit as long as the contract(s) signed with the excess cap space stays with the team. Player gets traded, retires or signs a new contract, they lose the excess. Or maybe allow a team to use the excess only to resign higher contracts for players they drafted and developed so they don’t lose them to a team that just hpaaens to have the cap space available.