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jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

May 31 @ 1:20 PM ET
I guess that pick of Zacha instead of Provorov is looking bad?
- dragonoffrost


Werenski too.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

May 31 @ 1:22 PM ET
I guess that pick of Zacha instead of Provorov is looking bad?
- dragonoffrost

This is like saying that if a team below you ever gets a player better than the one you draft before that it's a bad pick. It's like nobody has ever hear hindsight bias before.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

May 31 @ 1:25 PM ET
This is like saying that if a team below you ever gets a player better than the one you draft before that it's a bad pick. It's like nobody has ever hear hindsight bias before.
- Pomegrant


Ron Hextall's reaction as the Devils picked Zacha is great. Listen how he doesn't do the pleasantries all GMs do when they make pick he just gets right down to business. That was a huge tell on how well Provorov was regarded in that draft.

I can't recall what the needs of the Devils were at the time but if you've got a projected #1 stud defenseman sitting there when you are drafting you would think that it would be the pick. Defensemen like that don't grow on trees.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
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May 31 @ 1:33 PM ET
Ron Hextall's reaction as the Devils picked Zacha is great. Listen how he doesn't do the pleasantries all GMs do when they make pick he just gets right down to business. That was a huge tell on how well Provorov was regarded in that draft.

I can't recall what the needs of the Devils were at the time but if you've got a projected #1 stud defenseman sitting there when you are drafting you would think that it would be the pick. Defensemen like that don't grow on trees.

- dragonoffrost

Yeah, Lou was terrible at drafting and we have years of no prospects developing into anything. I don't see how it's Zacha's fault that another player is better than him. This constant "i wish we drafted this other guy" is so meaningless and sets this unrealistic standard.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

May 31 @ 1:38 PM ET
Ron Hextall's reaction as the Devils picked Zacha is great. Listen how he doesn't do the pleasantries all GMs do when they make pick he just gets right down to business. That was a huge tell on how well Provorov was regarded in that draft.

I can't recall what the needs of the Devils were at the time but if you've got a projected #1 stud defenseman sitting there when you are drafting you would think that it would be the pick. Defensemen like that don't grow on trees.

- dragonoffrost


Yes, totally true.

The Devils did need quality forward prospects more at the time but we had a long history of taking best player available. Either by circumstance or being a defensive oriented team we had selected mostly defenders first for a while.... and quite a few that turned into nothing. But at the time we thought some of those guys would develop and our offense was dying. The fans were also going bat-poop over the lack of offense post Kovy and Parise so there might have been some pressure to finally take a forward.... and it totally (frank)ed us. Well slightly (frank)ed us. Whatever, it wasn't a good move. poop happens.
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

May 31 @ 1:50 PM ET
Yeah, Lou was terrible at drafting and we have years of no prospects developing into anything. I don't see how it's Zacha's fault that another player is better than him. This constant "i wish we drafted this other guy" is so meaningless and sets this unrealistic standard.
- Pomegrant


To state that Lou was terrible at drafting is so outrageous. You don't sustain success the way the Devils did in the late 90s-early 2000s without consistently good drafts. Grabbing Brodeur, Niedermayer, Elias, Sykora, Gomez, White, Gionta, Pandolfo, Brylin. All of them were staples of cup winning teams. Yeah he had some misses along the way but I think his track record was just fine. Asinine comment.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

May 31 @ 2:01 PM ET
call Chevy, he'd give you kulikov....cheap
- Ross77


Agreed. Kuli looked good when he was healthy. Thats a crowded lineup that would part with him for far less than Hanifin would command. Also, Enstrom would be a stable depth D and will likely be a UFA in the area of 3M AAV
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

May 31 @ 2:03 PM ET
To state that Lou was terrible at drafting is so outrageous. You don't sustain success the way the Devils did in the late 90s-early 2000s without consistently good drafts. Grabbing Brodeur, Niedermayer, Elias, Sykora, Gomez, White, Gionta, Pandolfo, Brylin. All of them were staples of cup winning teams. Yeah he had some misses along the way but I think his track record was just fine. Asinine comment.
- jersey1414

I wonder if any of you have understood context in your life.
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

May 31 @ 2:05 PM ET
I wonder if any of you have understood context in your life.
- Pomegrant


Wait...context or sarcasm? Because, i'll admit, I didn't read it as sarcastic. If it was meant that way then my apologies.
dragonoffrost
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May 31 @ 2:09 PM ET
Yeah, Lou was terrible at drafting and we have years of no prospects developing into anything. I don't see how it's Zacha's fault that another player is better than him. This constant "i wish we drafted this other guy" is so meaningless and sets this unrealistic standard.
- Pomegrant


That was Shero's first draft as GM of the Devils
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

May 31 @ 2:10 PM ET
Wait...context or sarcasm? Because, i'll admit, I didn't read it as sarcastic. If it was meant that way then my apologies.
- jersey1414

No, Lou was terrible in his later years drafting. We had years of terrible prospects and evaluating talent improperly. Of course he was great at drafting in his early years and built the team and franchise into a perennial contender. I don't think anybody will argue against that.
AkA
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 10.01.2008

May 31 @ 2:14 PM ET
To state that Lou was terrible at drafting is so outrageous. You don't sustain success the way the Devils did in the late 90s-early 2000s without consistently good drafts. Grabbing Brodeur, Niedermayer, Elias, Sykora, Gomez, White, Gionta, Pandolfo, Brylin. All of them were staples of cup winning teams. Yeah he had some misses along the way but I think his track record was just fine. Asinine comment.
- jersey1414


lou stopped being lou in 2005.
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

May 31 @ 2:15 PM ET
That was Shero's first draft as GM of the Devils
- dragonoffrost


Technically, yes. But it was Conte's last pick and Conte was part of Lou's staff that did all the scouting during the year.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

May 31 @ 2:17 PM ET
I wouldn't want to part with a 1st for him, but I'd be open for trading almost anyone else not named Hischier. So if it took Zacha(or McLeod?), Müller(or even Greene?), and Quenneville(or Lappin?) to get Hanifin, I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.
- IrischesGlueck



You gotta give to get. I’d do 17th overall and Zacha. I still think Carolina would want more and get better offers than that.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
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May 31 @ 2:20 PM ET
I guess that pick of Zacha instead of Provorov is looking bad?
- dragonoffrost



It looked bad from the moment the words “With the 6th overall
Pick...” were said.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

May 31 @ 2:23 PM ET
Yeah, Lou was terrible at drafting and we have years of no prospects developing into anything. I don't see how it's Zacha's fault that another player is better than him. This constant "i wish we drafted this other guy" is so meaningless and sets this unrealistic standard.
- Pomegrant



I don’t blame Zacha, and I think he will be a quality NHL player, but I definitely didn’t like that puck right from the jump. I’ve been happy with the 2016 and 2017 drafts though (post Conte)
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
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May 31 @ 2:23 PM ET
That was Shero's first draft as GM of the Devils
- dragonoffrost



Conte made that pick.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
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May 31 @ 2:25 PM ET
lou stopped being lou in 2005.
- AkA



Yep, mid 00’s we started drafting terribly and handing out dopey contracts to try and win one more, can’t blame Lou for trying and he pulled off a few great trades, but we have been much better at drafting the last two years.
Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

May 31 @ 2:36 PM ET
This is like saying that if a team below you ever gets a player better than the one you draft before that it's a bad pick. It's like nobody has ever hear hindsight bias before.
- Pomegrant


yeah, but this was a huge swing and a miss
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

May 31 @ 2:37 PM ET
Conte made that pick.
- smellmyfinger


Unless Zacha plays a few good games in a row, then the credit goes back to Shero.
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

May 31 @ 2:39 PM ET
Yep, mid 00’s we started drafting terribly and handing out dopey contracts to try and win one more, can’t blame Lou for trying and he pulled off a few great trades, but we have been much better at drafting the last two years.
- smellmyfinger


It's the salary cap, the rule changes, and then, IMO, the transfer of ownership to Vanderbeek that did him in. It was no longer his ship to run and it fell apart.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
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May 31 @ 2:40 PM ET
Unless Zacha plays a few good games in a row, then the credit goes back to Shero.
- rmdevil313



true, and I do think Zacha will be OK. Just would have been much happier if we got him while picking aroun 10 or 11 instead of nabbing him at 6. I thought for sure we were walking out of that draft with Provorov or Hanifan, unless Marner somehow fell.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
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May 31 @ 2:54 PM ET
true, and I do think Zacha will be OK. Just would have been much happier if we got him while picking aroun 10 or 11 instead of nabbing him at 6. I thought for sure we were walking out of that draft with Provorov or Hanifan, unless Marner somehow fell.
- smellmyfinger


Yeah, whoever you want to blame/credit with the pick, its not looking like a great one. Coming away with a 2/3 C while picking 6th in arguably the deepest draft in history is underwhelming.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
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May 31 @ 3:00 PM ET
lou stopped being lou in 2005.
- AkA


Its almost like its tough competing for 15+ years in a system that rewards losing. And his fingerprints are still all over this team, that's not to say Ray doesn't deserve a lot of credit or it wasn't time for a change, but a lot of the depth on this team was drafted by lou post 2005.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
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May 31 @ 3:01 PM ET
This is like saying that if a team below you ever gets a player better than the one you draft before that it's a bad pick. It's like nobody has ever hear hindsight bias before.
- Pomegrant


I think its different when its so high up and you go with an off the board pick.
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