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vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

May 28 @ 7:57 AM ET
The more I think about it the more infuriated I get that Q and Ulf are back. Need a complete overhaul of the D system. Maybe Colliton can show them how it is done.
- Z3Hawk


This is the real issue. I can't express the appreciation I have for Q and the 3 cups he had very much to do with (remember that record in games 4 thru 7) of any series.

Simply put though, it was time to go this past year. The team is a bit of a mess for the first time in a decade.

Even though they get killed here, they guys in charge aren't complete idiots about this stuff. My guess is they really like Colliton, but think its too early to bring him up (like most of his players, he needs at least another year down in Rockford honing his skills). I expect Q to make it thru another disaster of a season or if he doesn't, and interim guy, and this time next year, Colliton will be the guy.

When Q gets moved out, I'd trade everyone but Kane and start over. They aren't winning another cup with the core in place. Does no good to finish in the middle of the pack year after year.

I got to see 3 cups, never thought that could've happened. I'm content, can take losing for a few years if you are rebuilding. Can't watch all these guys get old, slow, and ineffective all at the same time. Dump who you can, trade for young guys and picks.
TJYTJY
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.23.2017

May 28 @ 8:17 AM ET
Where can we read Murphy's comments?
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

May 28 @ 9:01 AM ET
NHL Rookie of the year. One of the top scorers in the league 3 years running. Exposed Kane this year because of his absence and then completely outperformed Kane in both scoring and plus minus. Led his team into the playoffs was named MVP for his team.. etc etc...etc etc .... We have nobody on this team who is as good or better... Perhaps you either don't really follow hockey or understand hockey...well since that seems to be the case by your level of knowledge at least now you know one thing buddy.
- Savoy



Stan thought Kane could carry any line. That is true for the most part. When 19's game started to come apart, he felt getting Saad back on his wing would bring it back. Well it did not work. 19 continues to decline. Saad had an awful year putting the puck in the net and the Bread Man went nuts in Columbus. Still think Saad has the better overall game. I put his season in the same boat as the rest of the team. Just a Murphys Law kind of year.
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

May 28 @ 9:15 AM ET
Panarin is not “a genuine superstar.” Where were you when Panarin completely disappeared in games 3 to 6?
- Z3Hawk



We have nobody on this team who is as good or better... Panarin was
NHL Rookie of the year. One of the top scorers in the league 3 years running. Exposed all the company propaganda lies about he was a product of playing with Kane and in fact proved without any doubt that it was the other way around as he completely outperformed Kane in both scoring and plus minus and playoff performance this year while Kane fell off in both categories without Panarin. Recognized as the sole reason his team made the playoffs was named MVP for his team.. etc etc...etc etc .... Second worst trade in Blackhawk history closing in on the number one worst trade.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 28 @ 9:21 AM ET
Unfair? I have never read even once on this board where anybody even the company line apologists ever described Bowman as being an above average gm. Not once. Is that what you are defending as the best this team should have? Are you happy with that? I'm not.

All I'll say is this, i never thought we would see another cup after 2010. But we did and that was all Bowman, coach Q and players, he got the players for Q and those players fit Q's system and Q's system like it or not wins Cups if you have the players who can understand and play his system.

I know things haven't worked out well the past few years but i look at what's changed and it's been the impact players we lost in 2013/2014/ 2015 and we just didn't have the cap space to replace them or draft and develop since we were trading away draft picks to keep winning cups. So i guess I'm more like Rocky give them a couple of years to see if they can do the impossible and legitimately compete to win a SC in 3 years.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

May 28 @ 9:40 AM ET
We have nobody on this team who is as good or better... Panarin was
NHL Rookie of the year. One of the top scorers in the league 3 years running. Exposed all the company propaganda lies about he was a product of playing with Kane and in fact proved without any doubt that it was the other way around as he completely outperformed Kane in both scoring and plus minus and playoff performance this year while Kane fell off in both categories without Panarin. Recognized as the sole reason his team made the playoffs was named MVP for his team.. etc etc...etc etc .... Second worst trade in Blackhawk history closing in on the number one worst trade.

- Savoy


Before his induction into the HOF, how about waiting until he actually leads a team past the first round of the Tournament - until then he is “just” a very good regular season player.

Kane (along with the three other deserved HOFers) led his team to 3 Cups.

Panarin (who you say was better than Kane) couldn’t lead the Hawks into the second round in two tries; couldn’t led Columbus there even after winning the first two on the road; couldn’t score a point - and was minus-6 - in the last three games against the Caps....

Not a proven leader when it counts yet. Led CBJ to the play-offs? Half of the teams in the league get there.

Not his fault? Bad play by teammates?

No, you don’t get to play the Trump card by giving him credit for the good but pass off blame for the bad.

Team leaders - who become HOF candidates - lead their teams to success. Panarin hasn’t done that yet.
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

May 28 @ 9:43 AM ET
[quote=BetweenTheDots]
Things haven't gone well you say? They went from first place to last place in less than one year, how's that for starters? Did you remember he gave away Panarin for next to nothing? You would need 3 Saads to equal one Panarin for a fair trade. And oh yeah TT was a throw away on another terrible deal. Can you imagine TT as a throw away? Can anybody? How about those wonderful contracts that destroyed the team? And on and on and on.... my goodness what a terrible record.
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

May 28 @ 9:57 AM ET
*NEW* blog up: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=93082
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

May 28 @ 9:59 AM ET
Before his induction into the HOF, how about waiting until he actually leads a team past the first round of the Tournament - until then he is “just” a very good regular season player.

Kane (along with the three other deserved HOFers) led his team to 3 Cups.

Panarin (who you say was better than Kane) couldn’t lead the Hawks into the second round in two tries; couldn’t led Columbus there even after winning the first two on the road; couldn’t score a point - and was minus-6 - in the last three games against the Caps....

Not a proven leader when it counts yet. Led CBJ to the play-offs? Half of the teams in the league get there.

Not his fault? Bad play by teammates?



No, you don’t get to play the Trump card by giving him credit for the good but pass off blame for the bad.

Team leaders - who become HOF candidates - lead their teams to success. Panarin hasn’t done that yet.

- StLBravesFan



Gretzky led his team to a whole bunch of cups. Wonderful but so what? Is it relevant to the situation today? How does history help the Blackhawks in the present? It doesn't. We play one season at a time and we don't still play back 3 or 4 seasons ago. Guys like to talk about 3 cups because it's the last refuge for folks when logic doesn't agree with them and they don't understand the world has past them by. Pointless except around the hot stove with the other oldtimers.
TTtime
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.17.2015

May 28 @ 2:49 PM ET
Seabrook was minus 3 after somehow being plus for most of the season. Keith was MINUS 29 - MINUS 29. Where is your Keith attack? Seems you didn’t notice the CONSTANT odd-man breaks against that both Seabrook and Keith dealt with. You state “creates issues for the 5 man group” - that was the whole problem with the Hawks last season, the team NEVER played as a 5 man group. Seabrook was scratched once because he found it hard to buy into the defensive insanity. So did Keith. The clueless coaches simply didn’t have the nads to sit Seabrook AND Keith out. If you read Murphy’s comments you get a feel for how absolutely dysfunctional the locker room was. However, Enzo you go on and support Q and Ulf and their “5 man group” system where players were constantly caught out of position.
- Z3Hawk

Cause he lives in the land of hyperbole. The truth is while the D-men can be better, the forward support has been terrible the last two seasons. Teams have been coming at the D-men with speed and numbers consistently. I don't give a poop who the D-men are, that is not a recipe for success

And yes, Seabrook isn't the player he once was, but to say he isn't a viable NHL player anymore is pure bullpoop.
tyweb69
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.02.2012

May 28 @ 3:17 PM ET
The issue is the salary cap and competitiveness in the league. If the wealthy teams with high revenue streams can buy out contracts they can overpay for players and then if things do not work out they just buyout the contract. The poorer teams could not or would not do that and it would be hard for them to remain competitive.

Even though the Hawks are a wealthy team I like a hard cap with consequences. I think it is in the best interest of the league in general.

- -Doh-


I get that and agree. So what about say 1 allowable compliance buyout every 5 years?
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