I don't see Vancouver making this deal, they're high on Sutter for some reason. The only guy the Canucks would give up in deal for Seabs would be Erikson, and for that I'd rather keep Seabrook.
- DarthKane

Agree just throwing some random thoughts out until something actually happens this what many of us will do. Coming up with trade proposals some make sense others not.

Vegas may be the new model. IMO coaching has a lot to do with their success. Hard work, speed and support are the keys. Oh, and a goaler playing out of his ars.

Go Hocks

Agree just throwing some random thoughts out until something actually happens this what many of us will do. Coming up with trade proposals some make sense others not.
- Scott1977

No worries, creating a realistic trade proposal is challenging. I live in Vancouver so I get to see a lot of Canucks activities. I think the Canucks could actually use Seabrook to help with their rookies, Leafs too.

No worries, creating a realistic trade proposal is challenging. I live in Vancouver so I get to see a lot of Canucks activities. I think the Canucks could actually use Seabrook to help with their rookies, Leafs too.
- DarthKane

You have said that you watch a lot of hockey or NHL hockey in relation to a particular point or comment you make, often late night I recall duch comments

So beside the fact that either Lamorello for NYI or some other team will overpay, we do not want an older average skater on the payroll. Let some other team have him. Our first concern had to be to improve the defense. Then to see kids developing and bring in a new coach. Must get more push back throughout the lineup. I happen to believe a lot if our prospects can make it to the NHL and dome of them have higher skill ceiling than some players currently here. We shall see. Farm system is a team"s life line

What if we just wait and see what we have. This will be the 3rd year of not getting past the first round, and now not making the playoffs. What if Seabrook. Toews, Keith and AA have dedicated themselves to hockey training this summer?

https://mobile.twitter.co...99694804048142336/video/1

With the trade Seabs talk this is worth a watch as it’s one of his more memorable moments of those “intangibles” he brought to the Cap-Dynasty

https://mobile.twitter.co...99694804048142336/video/1

With the trade Seabs talk this is worth a watch as it’s one of his more memorable moments of those “intangibles” he brought to the Cap-Dynasty
- EnzoD

I would very careful about trading Seabrook that leadership and intangibles are not only a great quality but a good role model for the players .

If deal came that made sense for both teams then yes if not then keep Seabrook he is a great example of what it means to be a Chicago Blackhawk.

Little Piggies up 2-0 as the 2nd period gets under way goal by Cody (Boy I’m having fun) Franson and Luke Johnson on a nice dish from Ejdsell!

4:08 to play and everyone has someone in a head-lock post whistle. Sheldon Dries will be sent off along with William Pelletier, who got tossed to the ice as that whistle sounded. 4on4 hockey will result. Who are these guys!

I would very careful about trading Seabrook that leadership and intangibles are not only a great quality but a good role model for the players .

If deal came that made sense for both teams then yes if not then keep Seabrook he is a great example of what it means to be a Chicago Blackhawk.
- Scott1977

I like Seabs. FWIW. He would have to be replaced. Not as easy as some might think, I think.

Go Seabs

Haaags win! Haaags win! Haaags win!

Go Haaags

Haaags win! Haaags win! Haaags win!

Go Haaags
- hocktock

Yyyuuuge win! Off to game 6.

Hogs seem like they are picking up steam again.

Vegas may be the new model. IMO coaching has a lot to do with their success. Hard work, speed and support are the keys. Oh, and a goaler playing out of his ars.

Go Hocks
- hocktock

If you ever saw them practice a lot of their success would make sense. Watching Reeves participate in their practice is a hoot cuz he has zero hands. And everyone laughs, but they work with him and include him in everything. I've said enough about coaching in the last decade so I'm not going there, but I will say that team effort has way more to do with all this than just luck. Throw in that Fleury has never played better, and it's a beautiful thing to watch.

Is he really that bad now? I know they need to create some cap space, but damn.
- mgriffen

No, he's not, he comes into camp in better shape this year and plays a couple less minutes a night hell be ok. The last guy that wore #7, played dam good at 33-34 years old. It's all about being in shape in today's game. They trade him for some of the bullShlit I saw proposed(fantasy trades) , then come December, people will be crying for another D man.
Some of the current D that Q trotted out there couldn't make 28 of the 31 NHL rosters but yet they are supposed to just Dump Seab's.
I'm a broken record but Osterle belongs no where near an NHL roster, same with Gusteffson, Ruutta, and a couple of others but yet Bowman lined their pockets like candy. And the guy he should have kept is probably gonna win a cup in Washington.
Your a leafs guy, outside of Kieth and Seab's, can any of the other crap we trotted out there last year make the Leafs? Babcock would laugh!
I'm not opposed to trading one of the core if we're gonna get something fair back. Not none of this salary retained crap or 7 th round pick or what ever dumbass crap has been proposed. Bowman isn't stupid, yes he should be grilled on some of his past deals but trading Keith or Seabrooke , ya better have Bugjstad , Petrovic or Huberdeaux coming back this way. It would be Seab's will help you now, give us a couple of young guys back that can play .
I am sure they will address the D this summer, what they have now is garbage.
Everyone thinks Bowman will take A D with the #8 pick, I bet he takes a big strong forward and then either trades for A D or signs a couple of decent D man this summer to help. Well see , but the stupid rumored out there that were just gonna give away Seabs, Toews, Crawford , for crap, is just that......a bunch of BULL!

Little Piggies up 2-0 as the 2nd period gets under way goal by Cody (Boy I’m having fun) Franson and Luke Johnson on a nice dish from Ejdsell!
- walleyeb1

I know it's the AHL and a small sample size of playoff games, but Ejdsell seems to be showing the potential of being a player who can make big plays. I still think he needs a full season in Rockford, but it would be sweet if he could be emerge as a middle-6 power forward.

4:08 to play and everyone has someone in a head-lock post whistle. Sheldon Dries will be sent off along with William Pelletier, who got tossed to the ice as that whistle sounded. 4on4 hockey will result. Who are these guys!
- walleyeb1

At the end of the game, Martinsen and Svedberg plus 2 Stars players got 10 minute misconducts apiece for "continuing altercation" - is there such a penalty in the NHL?

The likelihood is pretty low, but it would be nice if Svedberg could crack the Hawks lineup again as a physical stay-at-home defender. He's got the size and mean streak but just not sure how strong he is compared to his tall frame (can't see him being Chara or Myers tough) and how consistent he is playing defense.

He can always get stronger and Colliton's defensive system is better than the Hawks system so who knows if maybe he's on a better growth trajectory. It also might say something about the trust of the Hogs coaching staff if Svedberg wears an A and seems to be on the first defense pair to start each game. Wonder if he's the Hogs best defensive defenseman?

Haaags win! Haaags win! Haaags win!

Go Haaags
- hocktock

how about that...glass with 40 saves...

i here those stars mumbling rut roh...

This is possible.

I will touch on this a little more in an upcoming blog, but wanted to say one thing; all of this "Ulf doesn't know how to coach" narrative isn't completely fair.

I am not fully defending him but based on what I've heard, he was brought in as the perceived perfect fit because:

1) his methodology of how a "new age" defenceman needs to play, which is a really mobile and really quick at moving the puck forward to create a quick strike, always pressing offensive attack.

2) The above style of defence was identified by the Blackhawks management as a necessary change to become a faster team to keep up with the way the of the "new NHL". Ulf preached this with success in the minors and they wanted him to work with the dmen and Q to adjust their style.

3) Quenneville's relationship and history with Ulf kept him happy, while Stan went out and grabbed Don Granato to sit upstairs and evaluate, as well as work with younger players during practice and off the ice.


This move and adjustment didn't work out IMO due to:

* Defence Personnel - the skillset to make this change wasn't completely there and therefore was putting a lot of players out of their comfort zone on how to play "their" game (like Connor Murphy)

* Forward Personnel - the skillset upfront to accept these passes and work as a cohesive unit looked off all year.

* Defence of 8 - these guys were asked to do a lot and many didn't even know the "old" system, let alone this new style they were being asked to play. This made some defenders play een more tentatively then the system needed them to be because they were afraid to make a mistake. Hence, all of this Franson talk and watching Kempny succeed now.

* Quenneville's Ultimate Say - you could see how this plan to move the puck forward extremely quick and have your D being very aggressive worked... for game #1 vs. the Penguins. They caught them off guard and it was impressive to watch.

Then, when things went sideways, go back and watch how Q and the coaches reverted more back to the old style which had his defencemen hold on to the puck and try to play more of a safer possession style that has been effective in the past (resulting in Stanley Cup wins).

Sorry... this post could have been a blog in it's own, but just wanted to relay on some information on the whole Ulf and defence chatter.
- Justin Lowe

The reason that the “system” did not work had nothing to do with personnel - either the D or the forwards. The “system” did not work because it was ludicrous. The “system” called for the D to be very aggressive in the offensive zone - foolishly so. The “system” did not change until very deep into the season. It was embarrassing and frustrating at the same time. D were caught up ice out of position constantly. Often they were trapped deep in the offensive zone when there wasn’t even possession. Sometimes both D-Men were caught. The Hawks gave up more odd-man breaks per game than a team should give up in a month. Keith was losing his mind. So was Seabrook. Seabrook actually got sat out when he tried to play safely - when he dressed for the next game there was Seabrook deep in the opponents zone, thinking to himself this is simply ridiculous.

No defensive system will work that is reckless. Joining the rush or pinching can only be done SAFELY. Only defensive first systems work. That is why they are called D-Men not O-Men.

Ulf should have been fired at the very least. Arguably Q as well. Curiously, Rockford does not play Ulf’s ludicrous “system.” Rockford pressures defensively not offensively.

Agree just throwing some random thoughts out until something actually happens this what many of us will do. Coming up with trade proposals some make sense others not.
- Scott1977

How about Seabrook for Little? Or an expanded deal of Seabrook + Anisimov for Little + Kulikov? The Hawks and Jets would just be swapping bad contracts.

How about Seabrook for Little? Or an expanded deal of Seabrook + Anisimov for Little + Kulikov? The Hawks and Jets would just be swapping bad contracts.
- DarthKane

Don't think Winnipeg would do that still not sure Seabrook gets traded unless a team like Toronto comes calling. In the playoffs when I watched the Toronto's defense they look unsettle and panic mode at times. I know they had Polak and Hainsey but a guy like Seabrook who has been through the wars of playoffs countless times I thought would've been a calming influence and his leadership would ve made a difference

I know it's the AHL and a small sample size of playoff games, but Ejdsell seems to be showing the potential of being a player who can make big plays. I still think he needs a full season in Rockford, but it would be sweet if he could be emerge as a middle-6 power forward.
- AEL_Fox

So is Luke Johnson. 3 goals in the last 3 games (a couple really clutch ones).

The reason that the “system” did not work had nothing to do with personnel - either the D or the forwards. The “system” did not work because it was ludicrous. The “system” called for the D to be very aggressive in the offensive zone - foolishly so. The “system” did not change until very deep into the season. It was embarrassing and frustrating at the same time. D were caught up ice out of position constantly. Often they were trapped deep in the offensive zone when there wasn’t even possession. Sometimes both D-Men were caught. The Hawks gave up more odd-man breaks per game than a team should give up in a month. Keith was losing his mind. So was Seabrook. Seabrook actually got sat out when he tried to play safely - when he dressed for the next game there was Seabrook deep in the opponents zone, thinking to himself this is simply ridiculous.

No defensive system will work that is reckless. Joining the rush or pinching can only be done SAFELY. Only defensive first systems work. That is why they are called D-Men not O-Men.

Ulf should have been fired at the very least. Arguably Q as well. Curiously, Rockford does not play Ulf’s ludicrous “system.” Rockford pressures defensively not offensively.
- Z3Hawk

Good post and hard to argue woth your comments here.

The bolded part is interesting because I hear they are loving the Rockford success now and are watching Colliton's system very closely.

The players obviously love playing for Colliton and that includes the way they are playing.

The ultimate goal would be to play similar styles between the NHL and AHL club.

Good post and hard to argue woth your comments here.

The bolded part is interesting because I hear they are loving the Rockford success now and are watching Colliton's system very closely.

The players obviously love playing for Colliton and that includes the way they are playing.

The ultimate goal would be to play similar styles between the NHL and AHL club.
- Justin Lowe

Absolutely. Plug in and play. Minimizes acclimation issues to the NHL.

Absolutely. Plug in and play. Minimizes acclimation issues to the NHL.
- 35Tony0

Totally agree, but if the past is any indication of future success let's just see where the Hawks are at this year. If they are playing instead of thinking on the ice they will immediately be a better team. If the goal is to play as one unit, i just don't understand why everyone gets so excited about Q mixing up the line ups, essentially that is what Q is trying to do, plug and play or do your job.

Seabs better years are behind him. Not sure what added value he brings other than leadership. Expensive price for leadership especially for that length of a contract.

At one point the organization will have to move on from the core. Common sense says if they want to be cup contenders this will have to happen sooner than later. Hanging on to guys making between 7 and 10 millions a year and who are producing as second or third liners is a recipe for losing.

And finishing last is more than an indication that changes are needed. Doing nothing significant and expecting different results is an exercise in futility or simply bad Management.