We can use the 10th ,RoR for Galchenyuk the 3rd

Like Stripes suggested
- gerbe75pts

the (frank)?

If we can pull that off...I'm down. I'm not happy about it, cuz I like Risto....but If we could swing Risto and ROR for Kelfbom (spelling) and Zadina/Svechnikov...that's pretty damn good.

But that's a BIG "if"
- feetontheair22

It's a big "IF" but I'm pretty sure our GM has a plan to get a Winger and this seems pretty logical if it happens

the (frank)?
- TheHank

? Stripes suggested that if we got the 10th overall pick we could package that with Ryan O'Reilly to get the third and Galchenyuk

klefbom is top pair...
- Sabresfan-365

Even though he is an LHD, wouldn't that work well with the idea of having an anchor for each of the top 2 pairs with him and Dahlin on the left side, therefore making it much easier for the RHD on each pair?

Even though he is an LHD, wouldn't that work well with the idea of having an anchor for each of the top 2 pairs with him and Dahlin on the left side, therefore making it much easier for the RHD on each pair?
- kingcong39

The beauty of this Dahlin can play left or right

Even though he is an LHD, wouldn't that work well with the idea of having an anchor for each of the top 2 pairs with him and Dahlin on the left side, therefore making it much easier for the RHD on each pair?
- kingcong39

It also gives Guhle plenty of time to develope.

Imagine having 3 studs on the left hand side, and just giving them each unspectaular but solid partners like Nelson, Borgen and name your FA/trade add here ____

The inverse isn't always true either though.

To date Botterill hasn't done anything to make me think he's any better than the average guy. Benoit Balls was a decent signing, Beaulieu was a calculated gamble that fell short. Wilson was a pretty good move, but it was also low risk, low reward. Are we going to give him poop for drafting Dahlin because "anyone can do that?" like we did with Murray, while simultaneously not giving credit for Guhle and Nelson and maybe CJ Smith who at the very least makes Rochester better?

Botterill drafted Mittelstadt who fell into his lap, at least if you go by these rankings http://www.mynhldraft.com...t/2017-nhl-draft-rankings Throw out the high 2, and the low 12, and most are in the 4-8 range. So that didn't take much skill either. I'm not saying he's poop, at all. I'm simply saying that, to this point, he hasn't done anything to fill me with confidence that he's any better than average. That doesn't mean I don't think he can be better, just that I'm not sure where all your confidence comes from other than he was part of an organization that has the best player and like the 4th best player on their team.
- Wetbandit1

Jbotts scored us the first pick. That should count.

Gmtm got credit for landing eichel in my opinion

It also gives Guhle plenty of time to develope.

Imagine having 3 studs on the left hand side, and just giving them each unspectaular but solid partners like Nelson, Borgen and name your FA/trade add here ____
- sbroads24

As excited as I am for Guhle's potential...i REALLY think he could benefit from one more year getting top line minutes in Roch

ROR's baby mama in action??

https://theconcourse.dead...rtons-throws-i-1826082960
- Der Kaiser

It also gives Guhle plenty of time to develope.

Imagine having 3 studs on the left hand side, and just giving them each unspectaular but solid partners like Nelson, Borgen and name your FA/trade add here ____
- sbroads24

Guhle will be a sabre to start the 2018-19 season.
He will not need seasoning in rochester.


Book it

the (frank)?
- TheHank

the weed is strong today

Guhle will be a sabre to start the 2018-19 season.
He will not need seasoning in rochester.


Book it
- Boss34

If he can stick and actually excel I"m all for it. But if its 50/50 he should be the Number 1 D in Roch.

The beauty of this Dahlin can play left or right
- gerbe75pts

so lets get all leftys and build on the tall tale of casey nelson and hope bogo becomes an average d man for the righties

Guhle will be a sabre to start the 2018-19 season.
He will not need seasoning in rochester.


Book it
- Boss34

Yeah I think so too

"We aren't getting the #1 pick, stop it"
- jochfr

Funny how you really don't here those two idiots Harrington and Bucky cry about the tanking anymore do you ?

Funny how you really don't here those two idiots Harrington and Bucky cry about the tanking anymore do you ?
- fastek

they both wrote separate articles on tanking like 2 weeks ago

Yeah, Jack's contract was worth almost $4M annually, but with only the $925K cap hit. This year alone the Sabres have $6.35M in potential bonus money.

Edit: Late. Guess I should've red a bit further.
- Wetbandit1

The bonuses do count against the cap, after they are earned. If there isn't enough cap room, they roll into the following season. The Leafs are getting hit for about 5.4m of carryover bonuses this year, which is almost as much as their LTIR relief.

they both wrote separate articles on tanking like 2 weeks ago
- Sabresfan-365

Yeah but I thought it was more of a revisit from 2 years ago but I could be wrong.

klefbom is a better d-man and the 10th overall pick.
- Sabresfan-365

Man, I don't know about that. Point shares(both offensive and defensive) point to Risto crushing him. More EV points per game. Klefbom had one good year offensively, and this year regressed badly. Risto is the model of consistency offensively, both EV and PP. There's almost no variance in the points numbers the last 3 years. Klefbom might be better defensively, but his zone starts also favor that because he gets pretty even zone starts whereas Risto, aside from this year, has been leaned on heavily in the D-Zone. And what do you know? When Risto got more O-Zone starts this year his CF% came way up.

Plus Klefbom is fairly injury prone. Risto's had 2 injuries and missed a grand total of 13 games to injury in the last 4 years. Klefbom has missed 90 games in the last 4 years. Those are almost Bogo numbers. Ok, not quite Bogo's missed 128! games in the last 4 years; though half of them came last year.

They're stylistically different as well. They've both played in 5 seasons, Klefbom is a year older, but Risto has a little more than a season's more worth of GP. Klefbom has on ice goals for of 53 in 66 games and on ice goals against of 66. Risto was 60 and 83 respectively in 73 games. Edmonton scored 35 more goals and allowed 17 less than the Sabres.

For a while there they weren't even contenders even with those two.

Most of the pens people credit their turn around to his addition to the management team (not solely but enough that they felt it was worth mentioning).

he had crosby and malkin to work with, and found ways to add guys like Guentzel. Here he's got Eichel and Dahlin. Not as big as 87+71 but you get the idea.
- Sabresfan-365

To say they weren't contenders isn't quite true. They were derailed by some pretty awful goaltending a few of those years after excellent regular seasons. Then Bylsma's message got stale along with the awful goaltending, then Sullivan came in and won back-to-back Cups. Johnston was a failed experiment. I actually totally forgot about him until I looked it up.

Yeah I think so too
- sbroads24

I really like what we have next year on d.

Risto
Dahlin
Guhle
McCabe
Nelson
Scandella

Bowl u
Blowgo

That's solid:
Borgen and pilat in the pipe line

The inverse isn't always true either though.

To date Botterill hasn't done anything to make me think he's any better than the average guy. Benoit Balls was a decent signing, Beaulieu was a calculated gamble that fell short. Wilson was a pretty good move, but it was also low risk, low reward. Are we going to give him poop for drafting Dahlin because "anyone can do that?" like we did with Murray, while simultaneously not giving credit for Guhle and Nelson and maybe CJ Smith who at the very least makes Rochester better?

Botterill drafted Mittelstadt who fell into his lap, at least if you go by these rankings http://www.mynhldraft.com...t/2017-nhl-draft-rankings Throw out the high 2, and the low 12, and most are in the 4-8 range. So that didn't take much skill either. I'm not saying he's poop, at all. I'm simply saying that, to this point, he hasn't done anything to fill me with confidence that he's any better than average. That doesn't mean I don't think he can be better, just that I'm not sure where all your confidence comes from other than he was part of an organization that has the best player and like the 4th best player on their team.
- Wetbandit1

Who is the genius who brought us the obsolete bum Scandella? and now we have to try to find a way to get rid of the shackles he represents.

The bonuses do count against the cap, after they are earned. If there isn't enough cap room, they roll into the following season. The Leafs are getting hit for about 5.4m of carryover bonuses this year, which is almost as much as their LTIR relief.
- Lunaion

Yep.

They're stylistically different as well. They've both played in 5 seasons, Klefbom is a year older, but Risto has a little more than a season's more worth of GP. Klefbom has on ice goals for of 53 in 66 games and on ice goals against of 66. Risto was 60 and 83 respectively in 73 games. Edmonton scored 35 more goals and allowed 17 less than the Sabres.
- Wetbandit1

risto vs the oilers

team went 5-2-2

2 goals 11 assists
13 points
+3


not bad for 9 games

bobby orr numbers


klefbom vs the sabres
team went 2-3-1

he had 1 goal and 1 assist in those 6 games and was a plus 2


pysyk like numbers



suck it beady

Who is the genius who brought us the obsolete bum Scandella? and now we have to try to find a way to get rid of the shackles he represents.
- Der Kaiser

It's pretty much a wash. Got rid of 2 obsolete bums and brought 2 in.