Some people don't want to move ristolainen or Sam or ROR did everyone forget the disgusting season we watched?

You have to trade 1of 3 to send a message to the fans and team

It's been proven that he does.
- TheSabresTaco

So far he's done everything we asked

You aren’t gonna change their minds
These ppl that wanna trade good players for draft picks think that only “dumb gms” make bad picks & that all the 1st round picks that Botts makes will be “stars”

Appreciate u making sense though
Thanks sir
- jdfitz77

While statistics of past events hold serious water on this board, I don't think it's a viable comparison to say, well, this pick historically wasn't as successful as others. If anything, it's a coin flip. Every pick, all the time, is a coin flip. And guessing heads or tails and getting it right depends on the GM/staff making the pick.

Just remember that Botts could have had any player that was drafted below CM, but chose CM. Those who think "CM fell into our lap" don't remember how disappointed EVERYONE was on this board was when we drafted him.

2013 Valeri Nichushkin W Chelyabinsk (RUS) Dallas Stars
2012 Slater Koekkoek D Peterborough (OHL) Tampa Bay Lightning
2011 Jonas Brodin D Farjestad (Swe) Minnesota Wild
2010 Dylan McIlrath D Moose Jaw (WHL) New York Rangers
2009 Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson LW Timra (Swe) Edmonton Oilers
2008 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Vancouver Canucks
2007 Keaton Ellerby D Kamloops (WHL) Florida Panthers
2006 Michael Frolik RW Kladno (Cze) Florida Panthers
2005 Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
2004 Boris Valabik D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers
2003 Andrei Kostitsyn LW/RW CSKA Moscow (Russia) Montreal Canadiens
2002 Eric Nystrom LW U. of Michigan (NCAA) Calgary Flames
2001 Dan Blackburn G Kootenay Ice (WHL) New York Rangers
2000 Mikhail Yakubov C Tolyatti-2 Chicago Blackhawks
1999 Branislav Mezei D Belleville Bulls (OHL) New York Islanders
1998 Nikolai Antropov C Torpedo UST-Kamengorsk (Russia) Toronto Maple Leafs
1997 Brad Ference D Spokane Chiefs (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1996 Lance Ward D Red Deer Rebels (WHL) New Jersey Devils
1995 Radek Dvorak RW Ceske Budejovice HC (Czech) Florida Panthers
1994 Nolan Baumgartner D Kamloops Blazers (WHL) Washington Capitals
1993 Jocelyn Thibault G Sherbrooke Faucons (QMJHL) Quebuc Nordiques
1992 Andrei Nazarov LW Moscow Dynamo (Russia) San Jose Sharks
1991 Martin Lapointe RW Laval Titan (QMJHL) Detroit Red Wings
1990 Drake Berehowsky D Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Toronto Maple Leafs
1989 Bobby Holik C Dukla Jihlava (Czech) Hartford Whalers
1988 Teemu Selanne RW Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Winnipeg Jets
1987 Jayson More D New Westminster Bruins (WHL) New York Rangers
1986 Jocelyn Lemieux LW Laval Titan (QMJHL) St. Louis Blues
1985 Dan Gratton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) Los Angeles Kings
1984 J.J. Daigneault D Longueuil Chevaliers (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
1983 Normand Lacombe RW U. of New Hampshire (NCAA) Buffalo Sabres
1981 Garth Butcher D Regina Pats (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1980 Jim Fox F Ottawa 67's (OHA) Los Angeles Kings
- GilPerreault11

*Triggered*

The 10th overall pick hasn't had a lot of winners over the years. The Avs seem to have hit with Travis Jost in 2016, and definitely did with Mikko Rantanen in 2015, but Nick Ritchie in 2014 by the Ducks, and these many busts with only a few hits. Some people get excited when they hear 10th overall pick like it's an NFL pick but trading Risto for a less talented D and a 10th overall is meh.

2013 Valeri Nichushkin W Chelyabinsk (RUS) Dallas Stars
2012 Slater Koekkoek D Peterborough (OHL) Tampa Bay Lightning
2011 Jonas Brodin D Farjestad (Swe) Minnesota Wild
2010 Dylan McIlrath D Moose Jaw (WHL) New York Rangers
2009 Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson LW Timra (Swe) Edmonton Oilers
2008 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Vancouver Canucks
2007 Keaton Ellerby D Kamloops (WHL) Florida Panthers
2006 Michael Frolik RW Kladno (Cze) Florida Panthers
2005 Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
2004 Boris Valabik D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers
2003 Andrei Kostitsyn LW/RW CSKA Moscow (Russia) Montreal Canadiens
2002 Eric Nystrom LW U. of Michigan (NCAA) Calgary Flames
2001 Dan Blackburn G Kootenay Ice (WHL) New York Rangers
2000 Mikhail Yakubov C Tolyatti-2 Chicago Blackhawks
1999 Branislav Mezei D Belleville Bulls (OHL) New York Islanders
1998 Nikolai Antropov C Torpedo UST-Kamengorsk (Russia) Toronto Maple Leafs
1997 Brad Ference D Spokane Chiefs (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1996 Lance Ward D Red Deer Rebels (WHL) New Jersey Devils
1995 Radek Dvorak RW Ceske Budejovice HC (Czech) Florida Panthers
1994 Nolan Baumgartner D Kamloops Blazers (WHL) Washington Capitals
1993 Jocelyn Thibault G Sherbrooke Faucons (QMJHL) Quebuc Nordiques
1992 Andrei Nazarov LW Moscow Dynamo (Russia) San Jose Sharks
1991 Martin Lapointe RW Laval Titan (QMJHL) Detroit Red Wings
1990 Drake Berehowsky D Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Toronto Maple Leafs
1989 Bobby Holik C Dukla Jihlava (Czech) Hartford Whalers
1988 Teemu Selanne RW Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Winnipeg Jets
1987 Jayson More D New Westminster Bruins (WHL) New York Rangers
1986 Jocelyn Lemieux LW Laval Titan (QMJHL) St. Louis Blues
1985 Dan Gratton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) Los Angeles Kings
1984 J.J. Daigneault D Longueuil Chevaliers (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
1983 Normand Lacombe RW U. of New Hampshire (NCAA) Buffalo Sabres
1981 Garth Butcher D Regina Pats (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1980 Jim Fox F Ottawa 67's (OHA) Los Angeles Kings
- GilPerreault11

*Triggered*
- ManitouSabres

Leave me out of this OK?

Leave me out of this OK?
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Remmeber how excited everyone was for him to sign for 6 more years

Leave me out of this OK?
- CoHo_to_B-Lo

Injuries killed his career still a good player

Remmeber how excited everyone was for him to sign for 6 more years
- TheSabresTaco

When we traded for him everyone Including me thought we got a franchise center

Good days

Injuries killed his career still a good player
- gerbe75pts

A genetic disorder called malignant hyperthermia. Seems to essentially make you feel like your blood pressure plummets during physical activity.

The inverse isn't always true either though.

To date Botterill hasn't done anything to make me think he's any better than the average guy. Benoit Balls was a decent signing, Beaulieu was a calculated gamble that fell short. Wilson was a pretty good move, but it was also low risk, low reward. Are we going to give him poop for drafting Dahlin because "anyone can do that?" like we did with Murray, while simultaneously not giving credit for Guhle and Nelson and maybe CJ Smith who at the very least makes Rochester better?

Botterill drafted Mittelstadt who fell into his lap, at least if you go by these rankings http://www.mynhldraft.com...t/2017-nhl-draft-rankings Throw out the high 2, and the low 12, and most are in the 4-8 range. So that didn't take much skill either. I'm not saying he's poop, at all. I'm simply saying that, to this point, he hasn't done anything to fill me with confidence that he's any better than average. That doesn't mean I don't think he can be better, just that I'm not sure where all your confidence comes from other than he was part of an organization that has the best player and like the 4th best player on their team.
- Wetbandit1

Mike Bossy also "fell into Bill Torrey's lap" just after the Sabres took Ric Seiling. My point is the draft is a crap shoot sometimes. It is up to the General Manager to identify the best player possible to take. If Mittelstadt was available (and if he turns out to be a good one) then Botterill was smart to take him. It is just the way you look at it.

- CoHo_to_B-Lo

The 10th overall pick hasn't had a lot of winners over the years. The Avs seem to have hit with Travis Jost in 2016, and definitely did with Mikko Rantanen in 2015, but Nick Ritchie in 2014 by the Ducks, and these many busts with only a few hits. Some people get excited when they hear 10th overall pick like it's an NFL pick but trading Risto for a less talented D and a 10th overall is meh.

2013 Valeri Nichushkin W Chelyabinsk (RUS) Dallas Stars
2012 Slater Koekkoek D Peterborough (OHL) Tampa Bay Lightning
2011 Jonas Brodin D Farjestad (Swe) Minnesota Wild
2010 Dylan McIlrath D Moose Jaw (WHL) New York Rangers
2009 Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson LW Timra (Swe) Edmonton Oilers
2008 Cody Hodgson C Brampton Vancouver Canucks
2007 Keaton Ellerby D Kamloops (WHL) Florida Panthers
2006 Michael Frolik RW Kladno (Cze) Florida Panthers
2005 Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
2004 Boris Valabik D Kitchener Rangers (OHL) Atlanta Thrashers
2003 Andrei Kostitsyn LW/RW CSKA Moscow (Russia) Montreal Canadiens
2002 Eric Nystrom LW U. of Michigan (NCAA) Calgary Flames
2001 Dan Blackburn G Kootenay Ice (WHL) New York Rangers
2000 Mikhail Yakubov C Tolyatti-2 Chicago Blackhawks
1999 Branislav Mezei D Belleville Bulls (OHL) New York Islanders
1998 Nikolai Antropov C Torpedo UST-Kamengorsk (Russia) Toronto Maple Leafs
1997 Brad Ference D Spokane Chiefs (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1996 Lance Ward D Red Deer Rebels (WHL) New Jersey Devils
1995 Radek Dvorak RW Ceske Budejovice HC (Czech) Florida Panthers
1994 Nolan Baumgartner D Kamloops Blazers (WHL) Washington Capitals
1993 Jocelyn Thibault G Sherbrooke Faucons (QMJHL) Quebuc Nordiques
1992 Andrei Nazarov LW Moscow Dynamo (Russia) San Jose Sharks
1991 Martin Lapointe RW Laval Titan (QMJHL) Detroit Red Wings
1990 Drake Berehowsky D Kingston Frontenacs (OHL) Toronto Maple Leafs
1989 Bobby Holik C Dukla Jihlava (Czech) Hartford Whalers
1988 Teemu Selanne RW Jokerit Helsinki (FNL) Winnipeg Jets
1987 Jayson More D New Westminster Bruins (WHL) New York Rangers
1986 Jocelyn Lemieux LW Laval Titan (QMJHL) St. Louis Blues
1985 Dan Gratton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) Los Angeles Kings
1984 J.J. Daigneault D Longueuil Chevaliers (QMJHL) Vancouver Canucks
1983 Normand Lacombe RW U. of New Hampshire (NCAA) Buffalo Sabres
1981 Garth Butcher D Regina Pats (WHL) Vancouver Canucks
1980 Jim Fox F Ottawa 67's (OHA) Los Angeles Kings
- GilPerreault11

1983...Norm Lacombe....ughhh.

With the Oilers wanting a right D so bad give them Bogo for free. Throw in a 5th to take him. Chia may think if he stays healthy he could be good. They get a RHD for free we save the money.

A genetic disorder called malignant hyperthermia. Seems to essentially make you feel like your blood pressure plummets during physical activity.
- TheSabresTaco

Sucks he was always A very positive person he used to take the players lounge food to the homeless after every game

With the Oilers wanting a right D so bad give them Bogo for free. Throw in a 5th to take him. Chia may think if he stays healthy he could be good. They get a RHD for free we save the money.
- Fattony1187

Please make this happen lol

So let’s say “if” we sign John Tavares Kyle would obviously be The key piece to bring him in correct ?


That means we would have to keep him like we did Matt Molson

With the Oilers wanting a right D so bad give them Bogo for free. Throw in a 5th to take him. Chia may think if he stays healthy he could be good. They get a RHD for free we save the money.
- Fattony1187

I truly do think if BOGO was healthy he would be a good player. I liked his game a few years ago, I thought he was solid.. He just can't stay on the ice...

So let’s say “if” we sign John Tavares Kyle would obviously be The key piece to bring him in correct ?


That means we would have to keep him like we did Matt Molson
- gerbe75pts

He would be the hockey version of a DUFF....

He would be the hockey version of a DUFF....
- hehateme

Man I must be out of the loop who’s that ?


Edit : oh Ugly Fat Friend lol yeah

I am shocked more people don't want to trade risto for the next Dylan McIlrath

Man I must be out of the loop who’s that ?
- gerbe75pts

Designated Ugly Fat Friend, but we would obviously have to come up with a better name for him.

Injuries killed his career still a good player
- gerbe75pts

yeah he may have been good in a beer league


coasted through his nhl career and darcy gave him a cool 25 mil to be that center to replace briere



some will say he is the best sabre never to score 100 points with them (99)


I miss him like I miss a kale shake

He would be the hockey version of a DUFF....
- hehateme

I haven't heard someone say that since high school

yeah he may have been good in a beer league


coasted through his nhl career and darcy gave him a cool 25 mil to be that center to replace briere



some will say he is the best sabre never to score 100 points with them (99)


I miss him like I miss a kale shake
- homiedclown

He has a genetic disorder that doesn't let him play hockey.

Designated Ugly Fat Friend, but we would obviously have to come up with a better name for him.
- hehateme