I’d give them the 10th or Klefbom for Ristolainen without hesitation. But I sure as poop wouldn’t be willing to pony up both.
- Wildschwein

There is a rumor swirling around buffalo that Risto is uncoachable. Just does his own thing.

I have no idea if true, just keep hearing it more and more.

That said. Please do this Chia, Its a great move for Edmonton.

I'd do the 10th and something but Nurse, Klefbom and Larsson wouldn't be the add on. Maybe Benning or one of our prospect d-men not named Bear or Jones.
- Reveen.

I’d be inclined to be a bit more generous.

Ristolainen has put up 3 straight 40+ point seasons while playing for a team where scoring has been almost historically bad.
He’s a young right shot who can skate and is signed for four more years at a sub-6 mill contract, with no NMC/NTC.
He gets poop on for defensive lapses, but I think a great deal of those are due to being forced to play a minimum of 25+ minutes a night, on a team where the next best defenders after him are best suited to the bottom pair. Cutting back his minutes and giving him a competent partner would mitigate those lapses a great deal IMO.

There is a rumor swirling around buffalo that Risto is uncoachable. Just does his own thing.

I have no idea if true, just keep hearing it more and more.

That said. Please do this Chia, Its a great move for Edmonton.
- ImThatGuy

You’d fork him over for the 10th?

I’d be inclined to be a bit more generous.

Ristolainen has put up 3 straight 40+ point seasons while playing for a team where scoring has been almost historically bad.
He’s a young right shot who can skate and is signed for four more years at a sub-6 mill contract, with no NMC/NTC.
He gets poop on for defensive lapses, but I think a great deal of those are due to being forced to play a minimum of 25+ minutes a night, on a team where the next best defenders after him are best suited to the bottom pair. Cutting back his minutes and giving him a competent partner would mitigate those lapses a great deal IMO.
- Wildschwein

If I can do it without giving up Benning, I do it. Klefbom straight across would be palatable to fill a number of roles on our backend (puck mover, PP Dman and RHD for top 4). Risto, Larsson, Benning, Bear and Persson is a great improvement on the RH side while still having Sekera, Nurse and Russell as NHL LD. Besides, quality LD are easier to acquire than quality RD.

If I can do it without giving up Benning, I do it. Klefbom straight across would be palatable to fill a number of roles on our backend (puck mover, PP Dman and RHD for top 4). Risto, Larsson, Benning, Bear and Persson is a great improvement on the RH side while still having Sekera, Nurse and Russell as NHL LD. Besides, quality LD are easier to acquire than quality RD.
- MaximumBone

This.

I’d be inclined to be a bit more generous.

Ristolainen has put up 3 straight 40+ point seasons while playing for a team where scoring has been almost historically bad.
He’s a young right shot who can skate and is signed for four more years at a sub-6 mill contract, with no NMC/NTC.
He gets poop on for defensive lapses, but I think a great deal of those are due to being forced to play a minimum of 25+ minutes a night, on a team where the next best defenders after him are best suited to the bottom pair. Cutting back his minutes and giving him a competent partner would mitigate those lapses a great deal IMO.
- Wildschwein

I think we could have a great blue line with him

Klefbom / Larsson
Nurse / Risto
Sekera / Russell

I’d be inclined to be a bit more generous.

Ristolainen has put up 3 straight 40+ point seasons while playing for a team where scoring has been almost historically bad.
He’s a young right shot who can skate and is signed for four more years at a sub-6 mill contract, with no NMC/NTC.
He gets poop on for defensive lapses, but I think a great deal of those are due to being forced to play a minimum of 25+ minutes a night, on a team where the next best defenders after him are best suited to the bottom pair. Cutting back his minutes and giving him a competent partner would mitigate those lapses a great deal IMO.
- Wildschwein

This is a fair point. I would 100% not give up Klefbom for him and I would rather not give up the 10th. On a playoff team I see Ristolainen as a second pair PP guy as opposed to the top pair role he's been forced into.

Again I find it unlikely that after finally finding a partner for him in Rasmus Dahlin that the Sabres are going to want to give him up.

This is a fair point. I would 100% not give up Klefbom for him and I would rather not give up the 10th. On a playoff team I see Ristolainen as a second pair PP guy as opposed to the top pair role he's been forced into.

Again I find it unlikely that after finally finding a partner for him in Rasmus Dahlin that the Sabres are going to want to give him up.
- freelancer

Agreed.

This is a fair point. I would 100% not give up Klefbom for him and I would rather not give up the 10th. On a playoff team I see Ristolainen as a second pair PP guy as opposed to the top pair role he's been forced into.

Again I find it unlikely that after finally finding a partner for him in Rasmus Dahlin that the Sabres are going to want to give him up.
- freelancer

It's Buffalo

This is a fair point. I would 100% not give up Klefbom for him and I would rather not give up the 10th. On a playoff team I see Ristolainen as a second pair PP guy as opposed to the top pair role he's been forced into.

Again I find it unlikely that after finally finding a partner for him in Rasmus Dahlin that the Sabres are going to want to give him up.
- freelancer

Typical Oilers fan. "We need players but I don't want to give anything up to get him. Not Klefbomb who is so disgustingly overrated by Oilers fans, and definitely not a tenth overall pick that may turn into an NHL player in 5 years".

This is a fair point. I would 100% not give up Klefbom for him and I would rather not give up the 10th. On a playoff team I see Ristolainen as a second pair PP guy as opposed to the top pair role he's been forced into.

Again I find it unlikely that after finally finding a partner for him in Rasmus Dahlin that the Sabres are going to want to give him up.
- freelancer

The only reason I may be able to see aside from the unsubstantiated rumors that Risto is uncoachable (per that guy earlier) is that a lot of Dahlin's highlights show him playing the right side. Maybe he's the rare LD that thrives on the right side and they're aiming to find him a partner to facilitate such an arrangement.

A loose premise at its best but maybe there's some truth to it.

Typical Oilers fan. "We need players but I don't want to give anything up to get him. Not Klefbomb who is so disgustingly overrated by Oilers fans, and definitely not a tenth overall pick that may turn into an NHL player in 5 years".
- leonkennedy

Most picks that make it from that range are in the NHL contributing within 2.5 years. Guys like Fowler, Hamilton, Brodin, Trouba, Nylander, Ehlers, Jost, Rantanen, etc were all in that 8-12 range.

Most picks that make it from that range are in the NHL contributing within 2.5 years. Guys like Fowler, Hamilton, Brodin, Trouba, Nylander, Ehlers, Jost, Rantanen, etc were all in that 8-12 range.
- MaximumBone

You guys take yourself way to seriously.
However since you are suggesting correlation equals causation, are there any players who should be available in the tenths spot who are going to be like those you listed? You do realize you are counting on the Oilers to recognize someone who could fit that bill, and then properly develop them so that they make it to the show in 2.5 years.

Typical Oilers fan. "We need players but I don't want to give anything up to get him. Not Klefbomb who is so disgustingly overrated by Oilers fans, and definitely not a tenth overall pick that may turn into an NHL player in 5 years".
- leonkennedy

I wouldn't do the Klef + 10th. Ideally it's something around the 10th, as I really like Klef's contract and rather move the unknown 3-5 year draft choice
40 point d-men just don't come along everyday, well outside of that guy we signed earlier today out of Sweden.

However since you are suggesting correlation equals causation, are there any players who should be available in the tenths spot who are going to be like those you listed?
- leonkennedy

I never made any such suggestion. I noted that the correlation was stronger in favour of players picked in that range making it was closer to 2.5 years as opposed to your exaggerated suggestion of 5 years.

As for the seriousness question, that's something you ought to ask yourself. Why do you take this so seriously that you need to attempt to falsely conflate what someone else said with an inferior argument in an effort to avoid recognizing that a piece of information offered to counter yours is valid (if a tad nitpicky)?

Seems like no one's taking things here nearly as seriously as you

Most picks that make it from that range are in the NHL contributing within 2.5 years. Guys like Fowler, Hamilton, Brodin, Trouba, Nylander, Ehlers, Jost, Rantanen, etc were all in that 8-12 range.
- MaximumBone

On the flip side guys like Ritchie, Fleury, Morin, Pouilot, Trokkek are still trying to figure it out

On the flip side guys like Ritchie, Fleury, Morin, Pouilot, Trokkek are still trying to figure it out
- Lahey

Ritchie and Fleury are currently NHL regulars and became such in 2 and 3 years respecitvely, Pouliot is a tweener but still reached that level with 2 years, Morin is looking like he's stagnated around year 2 or 3 and Koekkoek looks unlikely to make it any capacity. My point still stands: most players picked in that range who make it do so within 2.5 years.

I'd do the 10th and something but Nurse, Klefbom and Larsson wouldn't be the add on. Maybe Benning or one of our prospect d-men not named Bear or Jones.
- Reveen.

What about Sekera if he is willing to waive his NMC?

10th and Sekera?

Now that has a lot of potential for discussion, but will likely end up in a no from Sekera's side (wouldn't be willing to waive his NMC to go there, I mean it's Buffalo for crying out loud lol).

Edit: His modified NTC doesn't kick in till 2019-2020 :/, so nevermind.

What about Sekera if he is willing to waive his NMC?

10th and Sekera?

Now that has a lot of potential for discussion, but will likely end up in a no from Sekera's side (wouldn't be willing to waive his NMC to go there, I mean it's Buffalo for crying out loud lol).

Edit: His modified NTC doesn't kick in till 2019-2020 :/, so nevermind.
- EdmHockeyMan

Sekera is negative value right now you know that right???
And he already ran out of Buffalo once so what on earth would make you think he’d go back willingly?

Sekera is negative value right now you know that right???
And he already ran out of Buffalo once so what on earth would make you think he’d go back willingly?
- Iggysbff

I wouldn't say negative value. Definitely not something commanding, but can still fetch some value at least or can be packaged in this case. The biggest issue with him is that nasty ACL injury he had and whether he can get back to form (or just be consistent at least in a top 4 role). So it's more so whether Buffalo (or any other team) would be willing to take the risk. Personally, I do think he'll bounce back, but I can firmly say his best days are gone.

Your second sentence is kinda why I said he wouldn't waive his NTC (if that was a possibility) regardless. That and it's Buffalo, as mentioned. Ended last the previous season, seems to have no sense of direction. Maybe drafting Dahlin can sway his mind? Idk, but pretty sure every player has Buffalo on their no-no list. Had he not had an NMC though (thanks Chia...)... it would be more interesting to discuss.

Sekera is negative value right now you know that right???
And he already ran out of Buffalo once so what on earth would make you think he’d go back willingly?
- Iggysbff

Plus, it would give them a body back at the very least while that 10th (likely a defender) is developing (don't think whoever is drafted there will make an immediate impact), Sekera would most likely play a top 4 role, maybe even top 2 considering their depth atm.

Regardless, this is all bogus in the end. Risto ain't getting traded this summer. Sekera is on an NMC. And I'm bored out of my mind.

Plus, it would give them a body back at the very least while that 10th (likely a defender) is developing (don't think whoever is drafted there will make an immediate impact), Sekera would most likely play a top 4 role, maybe even top 2 considering their depth atm.

Regardless, this is all bogus in the end. Risto ain't getting traded this summer. Sekera is on an NMC. And I'm bored out of my mind.
- EdmHockeyMan

The hunt for a Fräulein goes poorly I take it?

Plus, it would give them a body back at the very least while that 10th (likely a defender) is developing (don't think whoever is drafted there will make an immediate impact), Sekera would most likely play a top 4 role, maybe even top 2 considering their depth atm.

Regardless, this is all bogus in the end. Risto ain't getting traded this summer. Sekera is on an NMC. And I'm bored out of my mind.
- EdmHockeyMan

They wouldn't trade their current best Dman for anything other than a similarly-capable young Dman that maybe better fits their team needs (defensively more sound). Hence why Klefbom is about the only ones that make sense.

The hunt for a Fräulein goes poorly I take it?
- Wildschwein

More like I just finished school (especially finals week) and summer has started, so I'm got some time to spare and allocate.

Didn't really strive to find one, but yeah, still nothing. Regardless, gonna focus my time on projects I wanna work on this summer. Got some things I wanna finish by summer's end. Anything extra is a plus from me.

They wouldn't trade their current best Dman for anything other than a similarly-capable young Dman that maybe better fits their team needs (defensively more sound). Hence why Klefbom is about the only ones that make sense.
- MaximumBone

Nurse might as well. And given the choice on which of the two to move, I’d choose Nurse (not an easy decision).

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-Ristolainen
Russell-Benning