madmike71
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Location: Pittsburgh, PA Joined: 12.21.2006
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Because every team, be it the Pens the last 2 years or any of the 4 teams left this year, have players that are below average "possession" players. With the salary cap, you can't pay all of your 3rd and 4th liners 3 million.
If you think there are upgrades for the same or close to the same salary, then fine. But those players will also have, at best, a limited skillset...otherwise they'd be making more. So whether it's Kuhnahckl or some other random 4th line vet making close to the league minimum, his "possession" numbers will look less than optimal and I'm sure RW will make mountains out of a mole hill on the subject.
Also, somehow, a very good coach in Mike Sullivan thought it wise to play him regularly despite Kuhnahckl being the worst player in NHL history. Maybe there's more to a player's game than attempted shots when he's on the ice.
Edit: I say spoiled because you guys seem to expect all 18 skaters to be great players, or to at least all be above average "possrdsion" players, and that just will not be the case. - jmatchett383
I know you're one of the more rational people around here, but I think you're making a mountain out of molehill with this RW column. I don't always agree with RW and I'm not a big fancy stat fan, but in this case RW is spot on. Kuhnhackl isn't very good and they should look to replace him....whether in-house, trade of FA.
Here's where I'll agree with you, Carter Rowney is the worst center in NHL history and Kuhnhackl had zero chance playing with that boat anchor during the regular season. I would largely negate a lot of Kuhny's stats this season based on this.
There are bargains every year in the NHL. Matt Cullen made 1m or less the last 3 years. My ideal bargain would be able to skate above all else. I'm not expecting a point machine. |
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Victoro311
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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Because every team, be it the Pens the last 2 years or any of the 4 teams left this year, have players that are below average "possession" players. With the salary cap, you can't pay all of your 3rd and 4th liners 3 million.
If you think there are upgrades for the same or close to the same salary, then fine. But those players will also have, at best, a limited skillset...otherwise they'd be making more. So whether it's Kuhnahckl or some other random 4th line vet making close to the league minimum, his "possession" numbers will look less than optimal and I'm sure RW will make mountains out of a mole hill on the subject.
Also, somehow, a very good coach in Mike Sullivan thought it wise to play him regularly despite Kuhnahckl being the worst player in NHL history. Maybe there's more to a player's game than attempted shots when he's on the ice.
Edit: I say spoiled because you guys seem to expect all 18 skaters to be great players, or to at least all be above average "possrdsion" players, and that just will not be the case. - jmatchett383
I'd rather give ZAR, who's on ELC, Kuhnhackl's role full time and I think Simon has more utility as a 4th liner assuming we already have enough penalty killers. Its as simple as that.
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Victoro311
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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Would you play Rust on the 4th line given he would get around 8-10 minutes a game? Possibly more if he jumps around a little. - Aussiepenguin
I don't get the point of this question seeing as how Rust is firmly entrenched in the top 9. He'll probably be our 3LW next season. Could be our 2LW if Hagelin is moved. |
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Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Sydney Joined: 08.02.2014
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I don't get the point of this question seeing as how Rust is firmly entrenched in the top 9. He'll probably be our 3LW next season. Could be our 2LW if Hagelin is moved. - Victoro311
It's just that he played well when he's actually played on the 4th line, & with the depth above him it would be possible to give him his own line. Have an actual 4 line team that can play & score against most other lines. How do you defend against that? |
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Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Former Orpik44 Joined: 02.22.2013
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Carolina in selling mode. We should go get Justin Faulk (whom I think is overrated) or one of their wingers. Hanifin will get a steep raise for us to accommodate him. |
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j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Tampa, FL Joined: 06.14.2011
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That's not going to happen, & is 1 of the silliest things you've said - & you've said some pretty ordinary stuff. - Aussiepenguin
nah. |
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Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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It's just that he played well when he's actually played on the 4th line, & with the depth above him it would be possible to give him his own line. Have an actual 4 line team that can play & score against most other lines. How do you defend against that? - Aussiepenguin
No you don't put one of your four best wings and your second best left winger on the fourth line unless he needs a wake up call. |
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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No you don't put one of your four best wings and your second best left winger on the fourth line unless he needs a wake up call. - Victoro311
Everything is backwards down under so your 4th line is actually your 1st line. |
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Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Sydney Joined: 08.02.2014
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No you don't put one of your four best wings and your second best left winger on the fourth line unless he needs a wake up call. - Victoro311
Evolution my man. Kessel is 1 of our best Wings & has spent a lot of time on the 3rd line. Games changing, why wouldn't you attack with all 4 lines if you have the depth to do it? |
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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Evolution my man. Kessel is 1 of our best Wings & has spent a lot of time on the 3rd line. Games changing, why wouldn't you attack with all 4 lines if you have the depth to do it? - Aussiepenguin
Weird how that 3rd line forward was 3rd on the team in 5v5 TOI per game out of the forwards. |
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Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Sydney Joined: 08.02.2014
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Weird how that 3rd line forward was 3rd on the team in 5v5 TOI per game out of the forwards. - Feds91Stammer
Your missing the point...............again!
As I've said before, don't reply to my comments.
Maybe too many weights, not enough speed work, bro! |
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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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Carolina in selling mode. We should go get Justin Faulk (whom I think is overrated) or one of their wingers. Hanifin will get a steep raise for us to accommodate him. - Barnaby36
With one year left on his contract, I'm curious what they'd want for Skinner. |
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MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF Joined: 12.12.2014
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Carolina in selling mode. We should go get Justin Faulk (whom I think is overrated) or one of their wingers. Hanifin will get a steep raise for us to accommodate him. - Barnaby36
What the F is up with that anyway? I was just reading Bob McKenzie's comments about it. They have a a good young up and coming group IMO. I was surprised they didnt make playoffs the way they were playing. |
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MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF Joined: 12.12.2014
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With one year left on his contract, I'm curious what they'd want for Skinner. - Rinosaur
Hags + a pick....one can dream... |
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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Your missing the point...............again!
As I've said before, don't reply to my comments.
Maybe too many weights, not enough speed work, bro! - Aussiepenguin
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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With one year left on his contract, I'm curious what they'd want for Skinner. - Rinosaur
1st and a top prospect |
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MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF Joined: 12.12.2014
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1st and a top prospect - Feds91Stammer
Yeah thats more like it. |
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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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1st and a top prospect - Feds91Stammer
They're going to have to take a roster player back with some salary I'd think.
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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They're going to have to take a roster player back with some salary I'd think. - Rinosaur
Meh. Not really necessary in the offseason. Caps shipped out Johannson last offseason without taking a roster player back. |
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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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I'd still rather the Pens stack their defense than change the forward position.
Dump Hunwick's salary and spend $5Mish on Green for a couple of years.
Dumo/Letang
Maatta/Green
Oleksiak/Schultz
If they can upgrade from Oleksiak, then even better
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Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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Meh. Not really necessary in the offseason. Caps shipped out Johannson last offseason without taking a roster player back. - Feds91Stammer
True, but I think that was more of an exception than the rule. NJ was a team looking to build, there was term on Johannson and NJ had the cap space.
Not saying it can't happen, but I think the only teams that would be interested in one year of Skinner are playoff-bound teams and most of them are probably tighter in cap space.
EDIT: I also don't mean a full match of salary. Maybe just a player with a couple of mil for a year or two. |
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Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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Your missing the point...............again!
As I've said before, don't reply to my comments.
Maybe too many weights, not enough speed work, bro! - Aussiepenguin
But he's right though...
Kessel still gets a lot of TOI because we role our 3rd line at ES an above average amount and he's on the PP. The 4th line will only get ~10 minutes and Rust doesn't get PP time. Limiting Rust to like 12 minutes including PP time a night is a super bad idea. |
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Rinosaur
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Location: Somewhere, NJ Joined: 01.21.2016
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But he's right though...
Kessel still gets a lot of TOI because we role our 3rd line at ES an above average amount and he's on the PP. The 4th line will only get ~10 minutes and Rust doesn't get PP time. Limiting Rust to like 12 minutes including PP time a night is a super bad idea. - Victoro311
Not to go off on a tangent, but I'm going to...
I love how last year the reports came out about the rift between Kessel and Sully, then through the year how everything was resolved and there are no issues. Kessel has a poor post-season and the Pens lose, so what are we hearing again? Kessel and Sully issues.
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Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: San Diego, CA Joined: 06.17.2014
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Not to go off on a tangent, but I'm going to...
I love how last year the reports came out about the rift between Kessel and Sully, then through the year how everything was resolved and there are no issues. Kessel has a poor post-season and the Pens lose, so what are we hearing again? Kessel and Sully issues. - Rinosaur
The media just doesn't like Phil because he doesn't talk to them. They ask silly questions, get no comment answers, and then take that as a blank check to assume things. Even Yohe is falling prey to it right now, and Mackey has been trying to trade Phil since this past off season. Its stupid and not worth giving attention to. |
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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC Joined: 02.01.2012
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The media just doesn't like Phil because he doesn't talk to them. They ask silly questions, get no comment answers, and then take that as a blank check to assume things. Even Yohe is falling prey to it right now, and Mackey has been trying to trade Phil since this past off season. Its stupid and not worth giving attention to. - Victoro311
Need to trade him for a character guy like Abdelkader imo |
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