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z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

May 6 @ 1:49 PM ET
I love Schiefle too but if the Jets pull this off, the MVP has got to be Byfuglien. He totally has changed Nashville's mindset when he's on the ice. The NBC crackpot analysts are reaching by claiming that Scott Hartnell has been challenging Buff and making a difference. That's crazy talk and Big Buff is probably laughing at those comments. He is the biggest difference maker in the series so far and unless he falls apart, will be the reason they advance.

My God did our Blackhawks organization screw that up. IF they are the model organization of talent evaluators as they claim, I'd love to know how those conversations went after the 2010 Cup win on what do we do with Dustin Byfuglien ? Let's please remember that Stan Bowman had been proclaimed as a CAP GENIUS by McDonough and Rocky.
Oooopppps. ....they kinda missed on that one eh ??

- Hawkytalk


For Q in his truest form... The 4th line that was the most effective was the Bouma Wingels Hayden line. And Q took that line apart. The guy cant leave anything alone. He does not preach the heavy/get after it style as we can see. This team is soft to the point that its hard to watch. Teams run our stars our goaltenders and have lunch in front of the net. Not expecting much more from this team next year regardless of what impact (if any) UFA's they can sign.

Missed a great chance to bring in a new set of eyes in April. That includes the GM as well. As much as Wahlstrom looks like a solid winger, have to think a D (Dobson) will be the pick. In terms of the team dumpster fire, none was bigger then the schit show on the blue line.
Hawkytalk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Frankfort, IL
Joined: 06.26.2012

May 6 @ 1:55 PM ET
I’d be shocked if Saad traded. EK is gamble due to injury history - never fully recovered from Achilles. Murphy Assistant Captain on Team USA after being Captain. Q mis-used him. Remember Kempny? AA must be moved. Can’t see Toews moving. Need to give Kaner an “A”.
- Z3Hawk


Totally agree on all and especially on Kempney.... and said it all along. But many here complained of his stupid pinches and lack of hockey intelligence.

Well they all make those bad pinches at times and I still see his size,speed, and aggressive play as a positive in most situations. I'd take him instantly over soft Oesterle that's for sure. Just another questionable decision made by our management. Of course he wasn't going to sign here. ....not the way Q treated him anyway. Who wants to be a healthy scratch for all those games when watching that horrific defence from the press box night after night. Just brutal coaching of a young talent.

Kane an A or even the C might push 19 to his previous levels. He certainly has become a downer in interviews and that's not a plus to younger players in the room. I wonder what his training regime will be this off season and if his diet choices have changed at all. Can't wait to hear when he starts.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 6 @ 1:56 PM ET
For Q in his truest form... The 4th line that was the most effective was the Bouma Wingels Hayden line. And Q took that line apart. The guy cant leave anything alone. He does not preach the heavy/get after it style as we can see. This team is soft to the point that its hard to watch. Teams run our stars our goaltenders and have lunch in front of the net. Not expecting much more from this team next year regardless of what impact (if any) UFA's they can sign.

Missed a great chance to bring in a new set of eyes in April. That includes the GM as well. As much as Wahlstrom looks like a solid winger, have to think a D (Dobson) will be the pick. In terms of the team dumpster fire, none was bigger then the schit show on the blue line.

- z1990z


I agree with the 4th line, but i believe when CC went down they were realistic and decided we are going to develop Hayden in Rockford and have a season of teaching.

It's kind of like the Bears cutting Robbie Gould , knowing many games are won and lost at the end of the game by a kicker, well he in a way made sure they had top 10 draft pick those years
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 6 @ 2:03 PM ET
So many organizations hold on for dear life to recapture the glory of the past. I admire this organization realizing they are not in position to win a SC so the build begins, just look to the east, Red Wings should of done this so long ago, and everyone kept saying they do things the right way?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 6 @ 2:09 PM ET
I'm a big Bears fan, and if you look at the George Halas years he ran the team, look at the history and what you'll find is 5 years Bears were good and competing for a championship then 5 years they would stink, decade after decade after decade.

So did the Hawks organization forget how to build a SC team or more realistically we are now in that 5 year window of reloading to complete for SC.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

May 6 @ 2:11 PM ET
Um they were in that situation because the great uncle Dale screwed up the entire team salary structure by missing the offer sheet dead line, fwiw

Don't tell me he was sick, unless he was dying or dead it's completely on him

- BetweenTheDots

That was a $3MM part of it, IIRC - another part was not understanding the impact of the 2009-10 bonuses on the next season’s cap - I recall reading that Bowman was surprised that about $2MM (again, IIRC) would be charged against the 2010-11 cap - and that he needed to make another move (Versteeg?) after announcing to the world that he was done.

The Byfuglien deal was done before that, but....

No one involved - including league office cap projectors - gets a pass on what’s happened to this team since the first Cup due to the cap - not Bowman, not Tallon....
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

May 6 @ 2:11 PM ET
For Q in his truest form... The 4th line that was the most effective was the Bouma Wingels Hayden line. And Q took that line apart. The guy cant leave anything alone. He does not preach the heavy/get after it style as we can see. This team is soft to the point that its hard to watch. Teams run our stars our goaltenders and have lunch in front of the net. Not expecting much more from this team next year regardless of what impact (if any) UFA's they can sign.

Missed a great chance to bring in a new set of eyes in April. That includes the GM as well. As much as Wahlstrom looks like a solid winger, have to think a D (Dobson) will be the pick. In terms of the team dumpster fire, none was bigger then the schit show on the blue line.

- z1990z



Have to wonder if the plan hasn’t been to bring up Colliton at some point. If it is not sure how Stan fits into the scenario.

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RaleighHawk
Joined: 03.29.2016

May 6 @ 2:23 PM ET
Nope. Not from what I've heard. They love that he's down playing with Rockford and getting more pro experience right now.

I say it's all but certain he's on the Hawks team next year. They need more Hayden's, not less.

- Justin Lowe


Agree- just worried that his overall performance might make him a bargaining chip in another trade.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

May 6 @ 2:28 PM ET
interesting all this buff love...7 years since leaving...

Atl/WPG did nothing even with Ladd on that team for the 1st 5 years
Buff often was out of shape, lazy and defensively leaky
yeah he is having a good playoff but R2 is not even over..the MVP talk is absurd..

the post 2010 purge was inevitable with him being part it...19 and and 88's second contract of 6 mildo per was kicking in and the $$ were not avail to pay ladd, buff, and versteeg contracts...add the hammy and niemi tradeoff...

BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

May 6 @ 3:47 PM ET
That was a $3MM part of it, IIRC - another part was not understanding the impact of the 2009-10 bonuses on the next season’s cap - I recall reading that Bowman was surprised that about $2MM (again, IIRC) would be charged against the 2010-11 cap - and that he needed to make another move (Versteeg?) after announcing to the world that he was done.

The Byfuglien deal was done before that, but....

No one involved - including league office cap projectors - gets a pass on what’s happened to this team since the first Cup due to the cap - not Bowman, not Tallon....

- StLBravesFan


Don't forgetthe offer sheet to Nik as well handcuffed them.

But even with the bonus situation they ended up overpaying 8 rfa which lead to the inability to manage the cap.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

May 6 @ 3:56 PM ET
If the Jets eliminate Grey Poupon what pick would the Hawks be assigned ? Any idea?
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

May 6 @ 3:59 PM ET
If the Jets eliminate Grey Poupon what pick would the Hawks be assigned ? Any idea?
- mrpaulish

We would get the 27th bro!
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

May 6 @ 4:03 PM ET
Totally agree on all and especially on Kempney.... and said it all along. But many here complained of his stupid pinches and lack of hockey intelligence.

Well they all make those bad pinches at times and I still see his size,speed, and aggressive play as a positive in most situations. I'd take him instantly over soft Oesterle that's for sure. Just another questionable decision made by our management. Of course he wasn't going to sign here. ....not the way Q treated him anyway. Who wants to be a healthy scratch for all those games when watching that horrific defence from the press box night after night. Just brutal coaching of a young talent.

Kane an A or even the C might push 19 to his previous levels. He certainly has become a downer in interviews and that's not a plus to younger players in the room. I wonder what his training regime will be this off season and if his diet choices have changed at all. Can't wait to hear when he starts.

- Hawkytalk


A further point on Kempny - now that he is away from Ulf and Q’s idiotic Offensive Defensive System he seems to be a very solid, dependable D-Man who does not get caught out of position.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

May 6 @ 4:36 PM ET
A further point on Kempny - now that he is away from Ulf and Q’s idiotic Offensive Defensive System he seems to be a very solid, dependable D-Man who does not get caught out of position.
- Z3Hawk



It will be fine. When CC comes back, we will only lose games 3-1 instead of 5-1. Cant win giving up 40 shots a game with opposing wingers standing at the net with zero opposition. As I said. All kinds of good things to look forward to next season.

-Inept play from your stars outside of Kane.
-Awful play from the blue line.
-Injured CC who may not be able to come back.
-HC who is nutz in handling his lines.
-A 100% bad PP with a hit/miss PK.
-Zero identity.
-19, 2 and 7 got old real quick and had little impact and may not ever again. The only one with any trade value is 2 and he is still the de-facto #1 D on this team


And a team that appeared to quit/tune out the coaching staff. By all means bring Q and his staff back along with Stan. Your identity starts with your HC. As long as Q remains there will be no identity. No physical get after it. No push back. Just hit that stretch pass and its all good.


EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

May 6 @ 5:01 PM ET
It will be fine. When CC comes back, we will only lose games 3-1 instead of 5-1. Cant win giving up 40 shots a game with opposing wingers standing at the net with zero opposition. As I said. All kinds of good things to look forward to next season.

-Inept play from your stars outside of Kane.
-Awful play from the blue line.
-Injured CC who may not be able to come back.
-HC who is nutz in handling his lines.
-A 100% bad PP with a hit/miss PK.
-Zero identity.
-19, 2 and 7 got old real quick and had little impact and may not ever again. The only one with any trade value is 2 and he is still the de-facto #1 D on this team


And a team that appeared to quit/tune out the coaching staff. By all means bring Q and his staff back along with Stan. Your identity starts with your HC. As long as Q remains there will be no identity. No physical get after it. No push back. Just hit that stretch pass and its all good.



- z1990z


Barring MAJOR changes, Hawks are in the basement of the Central again next year IMO.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

May 6 @ 5:16 PM ET
Barring MAJOR changes, Hawks are in the basement of the Central again next year IMO.
- EnzoD

My gut feeling is that next season will be either extreme: more of the same (possibly worse) or a strong comeback season that catapults them into contender status again. Nothing in the middle.
35Tony0
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

May 6 @ 5:27 PM ET
Barring MAJOR changes, Hawks are in the basement of the Central again next year IMO.
- EnzoD

My best guess is there WILL be major changes before October rolls around.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

May 6 @ 5:42 PM ET
For Q in his truest form... The 4th line that was the most effective was the Bouma Wingels Hayden line. And Q took that line apart. The guy cant leave anything alone. He does not preach the heavy/get after it style as we can see. This team is soft to the point that its hard to watch. Teams run our stars our goaltenders and have lunch in front of the net. Not expecting much more from this team next year regardless of what impact (if any) UFA's they can sign.

Missed a great chance to bring in a new set of eyes in April. That includes the GM as well. As much as Wahlstrom looks like a solid winger, have to think a D (Dobson) will be the pick. In terms of the team dumpster fire, none was bigger then the schit show on the blue line.

- z1990z


Too be fair, that line was effective but they had a string of games where they were pretty ineffective when Q split them up. Something needed to change IMO.

I think the problem starts at the top with a lack of chemistry and balanced play from the top lines. Not saying I agree with everything they did, but I think when the coach is juggling too much because the top lines aren't performing at both ends, then then they disrupt those lower lines in the process.
35Tony0
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

May 6 @ 5:56 PM ET
Looks like Marchand is going down.
GOOD.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 6 @ 5:59 PM ET
One issue that needs to be cleared up with finality is the Hawks do not need to trade the Hossa contract. If the Hawks have the Hossa contract it will not count against the Cap because the Hawks will take the necessary step on the day it counts. The necessary step is being at the top of the Cap. Then Hossa’s entire contract is written off. The Hawks may trade the Hossa contract to a team wanting to add contract money to get to the floor which is millions of dollars in savings because the Cap hit exists but the actual money doesn’t. The benefit to the Hawks would be convenience only.

However, the Hawks will never give an asset or assets to move the Hossa contract. Rather the Hawks will get an asset or assets to move the Hossa contract. The Hawks won’t be giving because the Hossa contract does not ultimately hurt the Hawks either way. Keep it doesn't hurt, trade it doesn't hurt.

- Z3Hawk


They may not need to trade Hossa's contract. But if they do not trade it they cannot use the space until after the season starts. And they have the same situation next summer and the summer after that. If they can move it for let' say a 3rd round pick this summer, a 4th round pick next summer and a 5th round pick the following summer I would think you would do it. The Hawks pick up $5.275 mil in cap space that they can actually use during the summer for the next 3 summers, save $3 mil in salary over the next 3 years, and give up 3 mid to late round picks.

The next argument we will hear from posters (like Bingo) is that teams will not trade for the pick because they are already at the floor. They are missing the point. The cap ceiling is what you need to look at. Let's say the cap ceiling is $80 mil. There are plenty of small market low revenue teams that will keep their salary under $75 mil because anything more than that would be economically unfeasible to operate the club. So they take on Hossa's $5.275 cap hit, they only pay $1mil salary per year for the next 3 years and pick up 3 draft picks.

I am not saying it will go down like this but it could.
Dieselhead
Location: CA
Joined: 11.01.2011

May 6 @ 6:03 PM ET
Backes gets concussed and the Bruins are eliminated. Life is Good.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

May 6 @ 6:04 PM ET
My gut feeling is that next season will be either extreme: more of the same (possibly worse) or a strong comeback season that catapults them into contender status again. Nothing in the middle.
- AEL_Fox


Might be right about that, but I can't see them being worse if Crawford plays. If he doesn't...they will need some NHL level goaltending.
35Tony0
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

May 6 @ 6:14 PM ET
Bruins eliminated.
Come on Washington, take out the Penguins.
Marchand and Malkin do NOT deserve to be playing meaningful games after their cheap shot season-ending injurious actions they took.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 6 @ 6:38 PM ET
[quote=z1990z]It will be fine. When CC comes back, we will only lose games 3-1 instead of 5-1. Cant win giving up 40 shots a game with opposing wingers standing at the net with zero opposition. As I said. All kinds of good things to look forward to next season.

-Inept play from your stars outside of Kane.
-Awful play from the blue line.
-Injured CC who may not be able to come back.
-HC who is nutz in handling his lines.
-A 100% bad PP with a hit/miss PK.
-Zero identity.
-19, 2 and 7 got old real quick and had little impact and may not ever again. The only one with any trade value is 2 and he is still the de-facto #1 D on this team


And a team that appeared to quit/tune out the coaching staff. By all means bring Q and his staff back along with Stan. Your identity starts with your HC. As long as Q remains there will be no identity. No physical get after it. No push back. Just hit that stretch pass and its all good.

But Q is planning on his team being relentless.
But Stan did make the team tougher to play against. For a while, anyway, almost entirely on fourth line.

It would seem both know their job is on the line. The question becomes, do they realize what change need to occur and will they follow through on changed.

The only light at end of the tunnel appears to be a cupboard filled with more better prospects the the past few years. Maybe not the best Bowman could have provided. And best he could provide going forward. All this plus Q is not fixing or coaching well past few seasons
35Tony0
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

May 6 @ 7:06 PM ET
That McAvoy kid acquitted himself quite well for Boston.
Darn good model for what you want from a d-man in 2018.
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