According to draftsite, Vegas' first pick is projected to be #60 in the second round. I thought they had an extra first round pick this year from the trades during the expansion draft.,
- tvetter

They acquired a lot of picks, what year and from what teams i do not know. Keep in mind an expansion team has to stock an empty farm club and establish a chain or line of prospects from scratch. I believe that the Wolves is their AHL affiliate or they had some players assigned there. Practicly unbelievable S Theodore started this campaign in the windy city. We are familar with B Pirri, who sort of "blows" and who could sort of "blow" towards Vegas if they experience injuries.

Their team is a great mix of vets and younger players and yes, their goalie is super solid right now.
- Justin Lowe

Does it seem like Hayden might be fading from future plans?

Hawks have 7 forwards signed for next year that are currently not playing for Icehogs or elsewhere.

- If Crow is not healthy and his old self nothing else matters much.
- If they can move the Hossa contract without giving up too much (future 2nd or 3rd round picks and/or "B" level prospects) that would be huge.
- I would try to sign a RW to play with Toews and Saad. Neal? Peron? Grabner?
- I would try to sign a top 4 defender. They will have to overpay.
- A lot of posters want to trade AA. I would for the right price. But center depth should not be underrated. If you move him you need to trade for or sign another 2/3 center.
- It looks like they will try to sign Hayden, Hino, Martinsen and Duclair. Ok. None of these guys are true top 6 material.
- Get lucky with the first round picks this year.

I agree with Justin. Young players should earn a spot and earn playing time in training camp or they should play in Rockford. Better to keep them down their too long than not long enough. This is especially true of potential top 6 forwards and top 4 Dmen. Let them get accustomed to those roles in Rockford.
- -Doh-

One issue that needs to be cleared up with finality is the Hawks do not need to trade the Hossa contract. If the Hawks have the Hossa contract it will not count against the Cap because the Hawks will take the necessary step on the day it counts. The necessary step is being at the top of the Cap. Then Hossa’s entire contract is written off. The Hawks may trade the Hossa contract to a team wanting to add contract money to get to the floor which is millions of dollars in savings because the Cap hit exists but the actual money doesn’t. The benefit to the Hawks would be convenience only.

However, the Hawks will never give an asset or assets to move the Hossa contract. Rather the Hawks will get an asset or assets to move the Hossa contract. The Hawks won’t be giving because the Hossa contract does not ultimately hurt the Hawks either way. Keep it doesn't hurt, trade it doesn't hurt.

One issue that needs to be cleared up with finality is the Hawks do not need to trade the Hossa contract. If the Hawks have the Hossa contract it will not count against the Cap because the Hawks will take the necessary step on the day it counts. The necessary step is being at the top of the Cap. Then Hossa’s entire contract is written off. The Hawks may trade the Hossa contract to a team wanting to add contract money to get to the floor which is millions of dollars in savings because the Cap hit exists but the actual money doesn’t. The benefit to the Hawks would be convenience only.

However, the Hawks will never give an asset or assets to move the Hossa contract. Rather the Hawks will get an asset or assets to move the Hossa contract. The Hawks won’t be giving because the Hossa contract does not ultimately hurt the Hawks either way. Keep it doesn't hurt, trade it doesn't hurt.
- Z3Hawk

Stan learned how this works at Notre Dame. We've heard about such accounting gimmicks now we read about it here.

Borrowing from history and the world of music --

The Shsrks are going to take a bite out of Vegas becsuse, you know what, the league office reminds everyone no licking allowed. You may administer beating, however; Vegs is not playing possy (the intended word here, really, is possy). There ŕ well be vigilante justice if Bereron goes unchecked.

So while Vegas definetly knows the way to San Jose. Conversly the Sharks know the way back the surreal city of sin

Vegas or bust.

Does it seem like Hayden might be fading from future plans?
- RaleighHawk

NO

Could Wahlstrom be the next Scheifele?
- DarthKane

Jets are winning the Cup - MVP will be Hellibuyck Or Schiefle

55 Kills Penalties- Fights- Wins Faceiffs- Scores - Leads by example
Love this kid-

Does it seem like Hayden might be fading from future plans?
- RaleighHawk

Nope. Not from what I've heard. They love that he's down playing with Rockford and getting more pro experience right now.

I say it's all but certain he's on the Hawks team next year. They need more Hayden's, not less.

Their team is a great mix of vets and younger players and yes, their goalie is super solid right now.
- Justin Lowe

And they have a pretty good coach!

Nope. Not from what I've heard. They love that he's down playing with Rockford and getting more pro experience right now.

I say it's all but certain he's on the Hawks team next year. They need more Hayden's, not less.
- Justin Lowe

I really liked how he started the year and when he was a masher on the fourth with Wingels and Bouma. I think the problems for him started when they were moving him around. It didn't look like he was quite sure what his role was supposed to be (continue to play the same game, just with higher skilled linemates, or play more of a skill game).

I think if they define what they want from him and stick to that (as much as Q can) he will be head and shoulders more productive next year.

I really liked how he started the year and when he was a masher on the fourth with Wingels and Bouma. I think the problems for him started when they were moving him around. It didn't look like he was quite sure what his role was supposed to be (continue to play the same game, just with higher skilled linemates, or play more of a skill game).

I think if they define what they want from him and stick to that (as much as Q can) he will be head and shoulders more productive next year.
- Chunk

I'm sure Q will change up and stop with the line blender.

Trotz once again shows coaches have no credibility when comes hits and player safety. They are 100% partisan. Wilson's hit was just good ole shoulder to shoulder hit just unfortunate ZAR's head and jaw got in the way. But a somewhat different response to the Jake Guentzel's hit on Washington's John Carlson. Guentzel hit Carlson hard late in Game 5 on Saturday, but it was apparently considered to be a full-body hit. Capitals coach Barry Trotz didn't like the hit, claiming it was high, but Guentzel will be eligible for Game 6 on Monday night

I really liked how he started the year and when he was a masher on the fourth with Wingels and Bouma. I think the problems for him started when they were moving him around. It didn't look like he was quite sure what his role was supposed to be (continue to play the same game, just with higher skilled linemates, or play more of a skill game).

I think if they define what they want from him and stick to that (as much as Q can) he will be head and shoulders more productive next year.
- Chunk

That is a fair analysis of Hayden's situation. On that last part, I think it could be applied to many guys on the team. The operative term IMHO would "properly define" what they want from each player and stick to it. This includes slotting players appropriately by position and by F line or D pair.

Projecting proper slotting now with the core (i.e. Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford) and youth they want to start with (i.e. Saad, Schmaltz, DeBrincat) will then give the team a decent idea of where the true holes are for this summer's trades and signings as well as prospects camp. I know, easier said than done especially from where I sit as an armchair GM.

That is a fair analysis of Hayden's situation. On that last part, I think it could be applied to many guys on the team. The operative term IMHO would "properly define" what they want from each player and stick to it. This includes slotting players appropriately by position and by F line or D pair.

Projecting proper slotting now with the core (i.e. Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, Crawford) and youth they want to start with (i.e. Saad, Schmaltz, DeBrincat) will then give the team a decent idea of where the true holes are for this summer's trades and signings as well as prospects camp. I know, easier said than done especially from where I sit as an armchair GM.
- AEL_Fox

I'm just watching dvr from last night's Caps/Pens game and notice another nice game from John Carlson Caps Dman. Is he a serious possible option as an UFA ? And then there's some talk about Erik Karlsson from Ottawa on this board occasionally. I believe he's got a year left on his deal ? Yes or No ??

Question is....which would be our preference....sign JC or trade for EK ?
Trading for EK would probably have to involve players like Saad/Anisimov, and a to dman/prospect like Murphy /Gus/ Forsling. I honestly wouldn't have a problem losing Saad to get EK. He's 27 and contols the game when healthy.....but that's the issue.

Bottom line....I believe this team desparately needs a top 2 dman to have any chance of success in the next 3 to 5 years to maximize what's left of Kane's talent.

Salary has to be shed though for changes to be made. Saad at 6, AA at 4, and Murphy at 3 (approx) would be a start......Unless the unlikeliest of all possiblities could come true....Toews to Winnepeg.....which would probably be the only place he'd agree to.
Thoughts ??

I'm just watching dvr from last night's Caps/Pens game and notice another nice game from John Carlson Caps Dman. Is he a serious possible option as an UFA ? And then there's some talk about Erik Karlsson from Ottawa on this board occasionally. I believe he's got a year left on his deal ? Yes or No ??

Question is....which would be our preference....sign JC or trade for EK ?
Trading for EK would probably have to involve players like Saad/Anisimov, and a to dman/prospect like Murphy /Gus/ Forsling. I honestly wouldn't have a problem losing Saad to get EK. He's 27 and contols the game when healthy.....but that's the issue.

Bottom line....I believe this team desparately needs a top 2 dman to have any chance of success in the next 3 to 5 years to maximize what's left of Kane's talent.

Salary has to be shed though for changes to be made. Saad at 6, AA at 4, and Murphy at 3 (approx) would be a start......Unless the unlikeliest of all possiblities could come true....Toews to Winnepeg.....which would probably be the only place he'd agree to.
Thoughts ??
- Hawkytalk

I’d be shocked if Saad traded. EK is gamble due to injury history - never fully recovered from Achilles. Murphy Assistant Captain on Team USA after being Captain. Q mis-used him. Remember Kempny? AA must be moved. Can’t see Toews moving. Need to give Kaner an “A”.

I'm just watching dvr from last night's Caps/Pens game and notice another nice game from John Carlson Caps Dman. Is he a serious possible option as an UFA ? And then there's some talk about Erik Karlsson from Ottawa on this board occasionally. I believe he's got a year left on his deal ? Yes or No ??

Question is....which would be our preference....sign JC or trade for EK ?
Trading for EK would probably have to involve players like Saad/Anisimov, and a to dman/prospect like Murphy /Gus/ Forsling. I honestly wouldn't have a problem losing Saad to get EK. He's 27 and contols the game when healthy.....but that's the issue.

Bottom line....I believe this team desparately needs a top 2 dman to have any chance of success in the next 3 to 5 years to maximize what's left of Kane's talent.

Salary has to be shed though for changes to be made. Saad at 6, AA at 4, and Murphy at 3 (approx) would be a start......Unless the unlikeliest of all possiblities could come true....Toews to Winnepeg.....which would probably be the only place he'd agree to.
Thoughts ??
- Hawkytalk

Toews and Seabrook for Little and Byfuglien?

Does it seem like Hayden might be fading from future plans?
- RaleighHawk

I do not think he was ever a serious top line choice. He is a talent+ through hard work can become a valuable piece on roster. You have to look at how well he is fulfilling the role and his line is playing well for Colliton. And you need players with grit, not fighters or lugs, and Bowman has few on deck. Hayden sticks for that alone

My $0.02 says it was all about 'Hawk management horribly wrong guessing the salary cap.
That, and in his case, Kruger's injuries which really made his lack of points stand out.
I hope he recovers fully and puts a full NHL career together. He's earned that.
- 35Tony0

But still that is a horrible approach. We feel the cap is going to go up by leaps and bounds so let’s just overpay the guy because we can afford it! Ridiculous. How about here’s what you’re worth and with the extra cap space we can continue to plug holes or you know have enough to keep Panarin and Saad. ALL of management from McD down need to go.

Does it seem like Hayden might be fading from future plans?
- RaleighHawk

If Q remains coach yes, he understands the team needs a mix of playmaking and heavy forwards. Heavy/ tough to play against was lacking on this Hawks team last year. Hossa, Bickell, Shaw types. I know many bashed Bickell here for years because of his contract but he was so effective come playoff time. I think the Hawks have a nice mix now they just have to fix the back end.

BTW interesting write up about Moore by Todd on HB

Toews and Seabrook for Little and Byfuglien?
- walleyeb1

Winnipeg GM knows better. We would be ripping them off NOW.

2 surprises last night Caps and Jets win game 5. Ovie playing great hockey, less complaining and more playing still has to work on his backcheck but... Both teams win their series? Caps still doubt they'll be able to seal the deal.

Jets are winning the Cup - MVP will be Hellibuyck Or Schiefle

55 Kills Penalties- Fights- Wins Faceiffs- Scores - Leads by example
Love this kid-
- Colbyboy

I love Schiefle too but if the Jets pull this off, the MVP has got to be Byfuglien. He totally has changed Nashville's mindset when he's on the ice. The NBC crackpot analysts are reaching by claiming that Scott Hartnell has been challenging Buff and making a difference. That's crazy talk and Big Buff is probably laughing at those comments. He is the biggest difference maker in the series so far and unless he falls apart, will be the reason they advance.

My God did our Blackhawks organization screw that up. IF they are the model organization of talent evaluators as they claim, I'd love to know how those conversations went after the 2010 Cup win on what do we do with Dustin Byfuglien ? Let's please remember that Stan Bowman had been proclaimed as a CAP GENIUS by McDonough and Rocky.
Oooopppps. ....they kinda missed on that one eh ??

I love Schiefle too but if the Jets pull this off, the MVP has got to be Byfuglien. He totally has changed Nashville's mindset when he's on the ice. The NBC crackpot analysts are reaching by claiming that Scott Hartnell has been challenging Buff and making a difference. That's crazy talk and Big Buff is probably laughing at those comments. He is the biggest difference maker in the series so far and unless he falls apart, will be the reason they advance.

My God did our Blackhawks organization screw that up. IF they are the model organization of talent evaluators as they claim, I'd love to know how those conversations went after the 2010 Cup win on what do we do with Dustin Byfuglien ? Let's please remember that Stan Bowman had been proclaimed as a CAP GENIUS by McDonough and Rocky.
Oooopppps. ....they kinda missed on that one eh ??
- Hawkytalk

Um they were in that situation because the great uncle Dale screwed up the entire team salary structure by missing the offer sheet dead line, fwiw

Don't tell me he was sick, unless he was dying or dead it's completely on him

I love Schiefle too but if the Jets pull this off, the MVP has got to be Byfuglien. He totally has changed Nashville's mindset when he's on the ice. The NBC crackpot analysts are reaching by claiming that Scott Hartnell has been challenging Buff and making a difference. That's crazy talk and Big Buff is probably laughing at those comments. He is the biggest difference maker in the series so far and unless he falls apart, will be the reason they advance.

My God did our Blackhawks organization screw that up. IF they are the model organization of talent evaluators as they claim, I'd love to know how those conversations went after the 2010 Cup win on what do we do with Dustin Byfuglien ? Let's please remember that Stan Bowman had been proclaimed as a CAP GENIUS by McDonough and Rocky.
Oooopppps. ....they kinda missed on that one eh ??
- Hawkytalk

For Q in his truest form... The 4th line that was the most effective was the Bouma Wingels Hayden line. And Q took that line apart. The guy cant leave anything alone. He does not preach the heavy/get after it style as we can see. This team is soft to the point that its hard to watch. Teams run our stars our goaltenders and have lunch in front of the net. Not expecting much more from this team next year regardless of what impact (if any) UFA's they can sign.

Missed a great chance to bring in a new set of eyes in April. That includes the GM as well. As much as Wahlstrom looks like a solid winger, have to think a D (Dobson) will be the pick. In terms of the team dumpster fire, none was bigger then the schit show on the blue line.