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Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

May 1 @ 12:55 PM ET
What is the better odds of happening:

1. Shero trades way up in draft.
2. Shero packages for top 2 D man.
CaptCrankypants
New Jersey Devils
Location: None of your business
Joined: 04.27.2014

May 1 @ 12:56 PM ET
I know we all have had fun about my so called dislike of swedish players, but now that he just finished his 7th NHL season, do you think we can admit that Adam Larsson was over hyped and had no business being the 4th pick in the draft? One thing we can all agree on is shero's european scouts are a whole lot better than lou's!!!
- devfan30

I'm pretty sure Shero has kept on most of Lou's scouts. Last I checked everyone except Conte was kept on. Shero just hired more people. Maybe something's changed recently, but last summer even Conte's number 2 guy (Gates Orlando) was still on the staff.
jersey1414
Joined: 05.10.2013

May 1 @ 12:58 PM ET
He's still objectively better then most of the other defenders on the team. At worst he's 3rd behind Butcher and Vatanen.
- CaptCrankypants


Ha, I'm not disagreeing with you at all. Shero seemingly wouldn't have dished out that contract if he didn't feel that way, but clearly Hynes has issues. Trust me, nobody can convince me that Lovejoy should have been playing over Severson.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

May 1 @ 1:06 PM ET
I think his production is ballooned a little bit by how good SSM is. Sandin is obviously a part of that, but I just don't think you can look at his production vs others and use it as a measure of how good he will be offensively at the NHL level. I do like him though and think it would be a good pick for the Devils at 17
- YuenglingJagr



Provorov for Zacha and pick #17. Do it!
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

May 1 @ 1:09 PM ET
Devils pick will be jet woo!!!
- devfan30

Doesn’t sound Swedish enough
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

May 1 @ 1:10 PM ET
What is the better odds of happening:

1. Shero trades way up in draft.
2. Shero packages for top 2 D man.

- Leniwm1

Yes
RubberBiscuitz
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.12.2011

May 1 @ 1:18 PM ET
Whoever they draft I hope it’s a BUST
- shvingter88

Fixed it for ya
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

May 1 @ 1:23 PM ET
Fixed it for ya
- RubberBiscuitz

DOOMED
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

May 1 @ 1:23 PM ET
What about Jesperi Kotkaniemi?
- shvingter88

he best be gone
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

May 1 @ 1:39 PM ET
he best be gone
- YuenglingJagr

Some people have him falling
rawwdogg88
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.18.2013

May 1 @ 2:12 PM ET
Whatever happens in the draft, Shero needs to recoup that second rounder he threw away on that bum grabner. Gotta trade down a few spots in the first round.
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

May 1 @ 2:47 PM ET
Sandin is also near the top of my list, although I wonder if it's not a little high for him (just based on what I've read from other people).

As for the Kinkaid situation. Man, I hate seeing all the trade Kinkaid stuff on twitter. Just because I know he's active on there and you have all these fans saying we should trade him even though the Devils wouldn't have even made the playoffs without him. It's not the worst idea in the world, but I don't see it happening and I won't be upset if it doesn't.

I do think goaltending is an issue going forward, but I just don't see the fix right now unless you're doing something like a Kinkaid for Grubauer swap. That sounds like a very dumb idea for Washington, but Kinkaid is locked up for another year at a reasonable cost and is a capable backup. He certainly played well enough down the stretch to have caught some attention, and even in the playoffs he didn't play poorly. Grubauer is going be pricey to re-sign and chances are he's getting moved because Washington is still going to be right up against the cap. I don't know if they have another guy in the system ready for NHL time, maybe they do and will just move Grubauer for futures, but if they want someone with more experience that comes cheap, Kinkaid wouldn't be a bad option for them. To be clear, this would be a one-sided trade from a value perspective favoring the Devils, but when you're up against the cap, sometimes you end up taking a hit that way (see Johansson, Marcus).

- CaptCrankypants


Grubby is all but guaranteed to get moved out, but the Caps have no use for Kinkaid.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

May 1 @ 3:57 PM ET
Great read Todd. If this Sandin has the 5v5 capabilities of the defense men you listed, we would be in for quite a treat that deep in the draft. Hope it all works out. But be careful, I'm sure a few scouts out there troll these sites and probably respect the stats and logic you spit out. Don't want those chiselers to scoop us. As for KK, you are right. He probably wouldn't fetch more than a 4th realistically (Something comparable to Mrazek at best), but if someone came along and offered a 3rd or even just a slightly higher draft selection swap, take it.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

May 1 @ 4:01 PM ET
Provorov for Zacha and pick #17. Do it!
- smellmyfinger


Provorov is severely underrated. He is an animal. 20 yr old D man with 41 points....Insane. Or target Dumba as well. He is due for a raise this offseason and Minni is strapped for cash. He proved to be their best D by a landslide in Suters absence. 23 yr old with 61 points. Or throw a 7M AAV offer at carlson and keep all our futures. Either way lets get another quality D. Vats can't do it all by himself.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 1 @ 4:11 PM ET
Like I said I hope it’s a Swede
- shvingter88

Isac Lunderstrom.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 1 @ 4:12 PM ET
Can't wait for buffalo to rush up on stage to take dahlin. Welcome to Adam Larsson 2.0!!!
- devfan30

It's amaizng how stupid you are.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

May 1 @ 5:19 PM ET
It's amaizng how stupid you are.
- tomburton99


Wasnt Messier supposed to build that multi level multi rink joint in NY? Have you heard any news about it?
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

May 1 @ 9:09 PM ET
What is the better odds of happening:

1. Shero trades way up in draft.
2. Shero packages for top 2 D man.

- Leniwm1

send the pick and kinkaid to Carolina for a one of their good young defensemen, 3rd round pick, and eat Darling's contract.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

May 1 @ 11:30 PM ET
Wasnt Messier supposed to build that multi level multi rink joint in NY? Have you heard any news about it?
- Leniwm1

It was supposed to be in the Bronx. They hoped to break ground at the end of 2017 and committed like 150 million to the project. Other than that, that is the last of the news I've heard.
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

May 2 @ 12:05 AM ET
Great showing from Butcher in the first game
redmonsters
New Jersey Devils
Location: NY
Joined: 06.23.2015

May 2 @ 7:41 AM ET
Great showing from Butcher in the first game
- willschulme

Indeed. Saw the offensive output. Any word on his defense/playing time? I also saw Kinkaid start and give up 2 in 2 periods of work.
rawwdogg88
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.18.2013

May 2 @ 8:22 AM ET
It was supposed to be in the Bronx. They hoped to break ground at the end of 2017 and committed like 150 million to the project. Other than that, that is the last of the news I've heard.
- tomburton99


Building a new place for the rangers to play?
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