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Todd Cordell
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.05.2011

Apr 30 @ 10:48 AM ET
Senor_Elias
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.17.2013

Apr 30 @ 11:24 AM ET
when will the Devils announce John Moore's 5 year extension?
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Apr 30 @ 11:37 AM ET
when will the Devils announce John Moore's 5 year extension?
- Senor_Elias



I think Lovejoy is eligible for an extension in July 1, so they are probably waiting so they can announce both at the same time.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Apr 30 @ 11:42 AM ET
I think Lovejoy is eligible for an extension in July 1, so they are probably waiting so they can announce both at the same time.
- smellmyfinger


Can we finally move on from both? Santini plays an aggressive style that this team lacked. Was he injured? Why didnt he barely play this year?
Senor_Elias
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.17.2013

Apr 30 @ 11:51 AM ET
I think Lovejoy is eligible for an extension in July 1, so they are probably waiting so they can announce both at the same time.
- smellmyfinger


More Moore and Lovejoy, need to maintain the required 4 out of 6 American Dmen
CaptCrankypants
New Jersey Devils
Location: None of your business
Joined: 04.27.2014

Apr 30 @ 12:40 PM ET
Santini was bad, that's why he didn't play.

Also, anyone who thinks the Devils issue is they need to be tougher should be smacked.

They couldn't compete with TB talent-wise, that's why they lost.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Apr 30 @ 12:46 PM ET
Santini was bad, that's why he didn't play.

Also, anyone who thinks the Devils issue is they need to be tougher should be smacked.

They couldn't compete with TB talent-wise, that's why they lost.

- CaptCrankypants


Rude.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Apr 30 @ 1:02 PM ET
when will the Devils announce John Moore's 5 year extension?
- Senor_Elias


Honestly, I like what he brings, strictly as a bottom pairing D. Lots of athleticism and skill, mixed with some fixable errors. 5 years at 1M AAV Lovejoy can kick rocks, Santini and Mueller are cusp players that I do not think can compete in the NHL. Green can ride out his contract. Butch and Vats were awesome. Severson has to be better than he was in the playoffs. That was ugly. Bottom line, we need Carlson as well as a #4/5 D man if we want a chance against the big boys.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Apr 30 @ 1:26 PM ET
Santini was bad, that's why he didn't play.

Also, anyone who thinks the Devils issue is they need to be tougher should be smacked.

They couldn't compete with TB talent-wise, that's why they lost.

- CaptCrankypants

I like you.
Senor_Elias
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.17.2013

Apr 30 @ 1:29 PM ET
Honestly, I like what he brings, strictly as a bottom pairing D. Lots of athleticism and skill, mixed with some fixable errors. 5 years at 1M AAV Lovejoy can kick rocks, Santini and Mueller are cusp players that I do not think can compete in the NHL. Green can ride out his contract. Butch and Vats were awesome. Severson has to be better than he was in the playoffs. That was ugly. Bottom line, we need Carlson as well as a #4/5 D man if we want a chance against the big boys.
- bikeguy99


Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Apr 30 @ 1:43 PM ET

Not to ruin everyone's day, but Lovejoy has another year on his contract. So that's not going to change. Moore is a UFA. Santini is an RFA.

Also, the Devils couldn't compete with TB talent wise but they could also use a little more toughness on the blueline. It's not exactly a mutually exclusive problem. We got knocked around plenty and anyone who didn't noticed that wasn't watching.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Apr 30 @ 2:26 PM ET
Not to ruin everyone's day, but Lovejoy has another year on his contract. So that's not going to change. Moore is a UFA. Santini is an RFA.

Also, the Devils couldn't compete with TB talent wise but they could also use a little more toughness on the blueline. It's not exactly a mutually exclusive problem. We got knocked around plenty and anyone who didn't noticed that wasn't watching.

- Queenie_5_hole


Thank you.

Hedman tried to take out our two top guys. Spear to the nads of Nico and he made a run @ Hall in the neutral zone, both resulted in NOTHING from the Devils. Anyone ok with that?
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Apr 30 @ 2:33 PM ET
How long will it take for you guys to realize that toughness and grit don't correlate to wins.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Apr 30 @ 2:41 PM ET
How long will it take for you guys to realize that toughness and grit don't correlate to wins.
- Pomegrant


I'll realize it when getting pushed around like children results in high morale and gives a giant boost to team play. Until then, yes, it does lead to wins when you play with passion and stick up for one another.
rawwdogg88
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.18.2013

Apr 30 @ 2:49 PM ET
How long will it take for you guys to realize that toughness and grit don't correlate to wins.
- Pomegrant


This is a comment made for Lou Lams
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Apr 30 @ 3:03 PM ET
I'll realize it when getting pushed around like children results in high morale and gives a giant boost to team play. Until then, yes, it does lead to wins when you play with passion and stick up for one another.
- Leniwm1

nothing you've said here has any substance.

"lacking character and grit" is the reason why we have Hall right now. It's the backward old time thinking that you need good "character guys" who "play with a lot of heart" that needs to go.

The reason we lost the series was because our defense is terrible. No amount of heart and grit would have over come that. Lovejoy was playing because he had playoff experience and veteran presence, which ultimately is just intangible nonsense to justify him being bad.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Apr 30 @ 3:16 PM ET
I think Lovejoy is eligible for an extension in July 1, so they are probably waiting so they can announce both at the same time.
- smellmyfinger

Why extend Ben Lovejoy when there is a nice shiney prize in Jack Jhonson on the UFA market.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Apr 30 @ 3:25 PM ET
nothing you've said here has any substance.

"lacking character and grit" is the reason why we have Hall right now. It's the backward old time thinking that you need good "character guys" who "play with a lot of heart" that needs to go.

The reason we lost the series was because our defense is terrible. No amount of heart and grit would have over come that. Lovejoy was playing because he had playoff experience and veteran presence, which ultimately is just intangible nonsense to justify him being bad.

- Pomegrant



Really, because the one game we did win against Tampa was in large part thanks to a standout performance by Blake Coleman. Seemed like the only game guys stood up and didn't get their balls handed to them.

Hockey isn't a game where you need this but not that. Yes, our defense couldn't hold up skill wise against Tampa. But we also lost because we got pushed all over the rink... When Tampa set up in our end it was a skating party for them. We dished out punishment like nuns dishing out sexual favors. We need more scoring depth and skill but we also have to stop being Stay-Puft Marshmallow soft too.
rawwdogg88
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.18.2013

Apr 30 @ 3:26 PM ET
Kane and Carlson. That's it, that's all.
Velcro300
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.17.2009

Apr 30 @ 3:35 PM ET
We dished out punishment like nuns dishing out sexual favors.
-Queenie_5_hole



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Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Apr 30 @ 4:27 PM ET
nothing you've said here has any substance.

"lacking character and grit" is the reason why we have Hall right now. It's the backward old time thinking that you need good "character guys" who "play with a lot of heart" that needs to go.

The reason we lost the series was because our defense is terrible. No amount of heart and grit would have over come that. Lovejoy was playing because he had playoff experience and veteran presence, which ultimately is just intangible nonsense to justify him being bad.

- Pomegrant


So you know, we never would have won any cup if we didn't have Scotty Stevens. That says it all.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Apr 30 @ 5:12 PM ET
So you know, we never would have won any cup if we didn't have Scotty Stevens. That says it all.
- Leniwm1

If that is what you take away from that, then why even pretend to have thoughts?
Senor_Elias
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.17.2013

Apr 30 @ 5:22 PM ET
If that is what you take away from that, then why even pretend to have thoughts?
- Pomegrant


it's the same game now as it was back then brother
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Apr 30 @ 6:55 PM ET
Why extend Ben Lovejoy when there is a nice shiney prize in Jack Jhonson on the UFA market.
- tomburton99



We are adding him on a 6 year deal and trading Mueller for a 4th round pick.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Apr 30 @ 7:02 PM ET
So you know, we never would have won any cup if we didn't have Scotty Stevens. That says it all.
- Leniwm1



Stevens had veteran leadership, grit, etc. in spades.

But Stevens could also play defense at a HOF level for more than a decade. He was smart and skilled and finished his career with 900 points while playing as one of the best shutdown Dmen in league history.

Ben Lovejoy is none of those things, he’s a fringe 7th d on most teams.

No one is saying being big, strong and playing with an edge are bad things, but you have to have skill today too.

I’d sign Wayne Simmonds in a heart beat, but I’d pass on signing Jordan Tootoo 2.0 just to get stronger and meaner.
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