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- robz228

It was tweeted by LeBrun, but no one else said it, including Botterill when he listed conditions. Who knows? It probably is, it's pretty much boilerplate at this point that it doesn't even bear mentioning.

Holy poop, if this thread wasn't 2 people going back and forth, and back and forth, and back and forth, and back and forth, and back and forth it would be like 9 pages instead of 26.

So what determines whether it is a 2019 or 2020?
- Hatboro_Swords

I tried to find the exact wording of it
Might be a 2019 1st no matter what
Looks like the only condition is whether or not it’s a 1st or 2nd

But if it is “lotto protected” then that would mean SJ could choose to keep the 2019 pick, but we’d then get a 1st in 2020

We wouldn’t just lose the pick

I think it’s the other pick, the 4th in 2019 that will change to a 2020 3rd IF the Sharks choose to keep the 2019 4th

Idk if that helps,
or makes it more confusing

Sorry

Danny O'Regan had good numbers for rochester


we got that going for us

They didn’t know Hamilton was a core player when the trade was made.

You need to give yourselves the opportunity to hit a home run.
We need home runs right now.

Otherwise we heading right towards mediocrity
- sbroads24

They also had a pretty good idea that the Leafs were gonna suck

https://www.hockey-refere...e.com/teams/TOR/2010.html

So they were getting TWO cracks at a very high pick

I don’t want a “CHANCE at a home run”
We already have that with our own picks
If we are trading O’Reilly,
it has to be for a “core” player
Otherwise,
He does a good enough job here, in a difficult role, that i feel we can keep bringing in players around him & he can be part of us becoming a really good team

So if you’re telling me you’d trade O’Reilly for pick 14 & a prospect,
I’d say no way

(EDITED)
Give me something like Dunn + from StL
Or Bellows + from NyI

Gotta be something like that
It can’t be for Philly’s #14 & a prospect the equivalent of Baptiste (who projects as a 3rd liner)

They didn’t know Hamilton was a core player when the trade was made.

You need to give yourselves the opportunity to hit a home run.
We need home runs right now.

Otherwise we heading right towards mediocrity
- sbroads24

Boland was the 2C for the Hawks when they were winning Cups
He was slow
He wasn’t nearly as good as O’Reilly

There’s more than 1 way to build a Cup contender

I tried to find the exact wording of it
Might be a 2019 1st no matter what
Looks like the only condition is whether or not it’s a 1st or 2nd

But if it is “lotto protected” then that would mean SJ could choose to keep the 2019 pick, but we’d then get a 1st in 2020

We wouldn’t just lose the pick

I think it’s the other pick, the 4th in 2019 that will change to a 2020 3rd IF the Sharks choose to keep the 2019 4th

Idk if that helps,
or makes it more confusing

Sorry
- jdfitz77

Everything you said was right

They also had a pretty good idea that the Leafs were gonna suck

https://www.hockey-refere...e.com/teams/TOR/2010.html

So they were getting TWO cracks at a very high pick

I don’t want a “CHANCE at a home run”
We already have that with our own picks
If we are trading O’Reilly,
it has to be for a “core” player
Otherwise,
He does a good enough job here, in a difficult role, that i feel we can keep bringing in players around him & he can be part of us becoming a really good team

So if you’re telling me you’d trade O’Reilly for pick 14 & a prospect,
I’d say no way

Give me something like Dunn & Kyrou from StL
Or Montreal’s pick #4 plus a good prospect
Or #10 from NyI plus Bellows

Gotta be something like that
It can’t be for Philly’s #14 & a prospect the equivalent of Baptiste (who projects as a 3rd liner)
- jdfitz77

The three ROY candidates are all mid to late first rounders.

You need to draft well.

I’m no worries about O’Reilly leaving. He left one team and they survived somehow because they drafted a star in Rantanen 10th (I think) and a few other good players.

Bruins survived losing Seguin because they drafted Pastrnak and McAvoy

We need to hit on those picks regardless of trading O’Reilly or not. Otherwise it’s just spinning our wheels

I really like D.J. Chark if the bills can move up in the second rd

It’s official, if Bills don’t trade up to get one of the top QBs (Rosen for me) I want them to stay put and draft Mike White in the 2nd. He reminds me too much of Jimmy Garopps. Go with OL and another position of need in 1st, White and Chark in the 2nd. If you haven’t seen some of the free agents in 2019, take a look. 100 mil in cap space and you got guys like Zack Martin, Taylor Lewan, Deone Bucannon and Anthony Barr to name a few hopefully still available. Playoff caliber

They also had a pretty good idea that the Leafs were gonna suck

https://www.hockey-refere...e.com/teams/TOR/2010.html

So they were getting TWO cracks at a very high pick

I don’t want a “CHANCE at a home run”
We already have that with our own picks
If we are trading O’Reilly,
it has to be for a “core” player
Otherwise,
He does a good enough job here, in a difficult role, that i feel we can keep bringing in players around him & he can be part of us becoming a really good team

So if you’re telling me you’d trade O’Reilly for pick 14 & a prospect,
I’d say no way

Give me something like Dunn & Kyrou from StL
Or Montreal’s pick #4 plus a good prospect
Or #10 from NyI plus Bellows

Gotta be something like that
It can’t be for Philly’s #14 & a prospect the equivalent of Baptiste (who projects as a 3rd liner)
- jdfitz77

When there were whispers of a trade at the deadline with Philly it centred around Lehner/Johnson and a Reinhart going the other way not ROR. Doubt either of them gets traded there though.

Boland was the 2C for the Hawks when they were winning Cups
He was slow
He wasn’t nearly as good as O’Reilly

There’s more than 1 way to build a Cup contender
- jdfitz77

Danny O'Regan had good numbers for rochester


we got that going for us
- homiedclown

Pretty good numbers for the Sharks AHL team the past 2 years as well

For those who like Cj Smith,
O’Regan has been better

He will get a chance to make the roster next year

Everything you said was right
- Pegullaville

U hear that BOSS34...
you’re gonna have to upgrade me to 2% correct

Hahaha

It’s official, if Bills don’t trade up to get one of the top QBs (Rosen for me) I want them to stay put and draft Mike White in the 2nd. He reminds me too much of Jimmy Garopps. Go with OL and another position of need in 1st, White and Chark in the 2nd. If you haven’t seen some of the free agents in 2019, take a look. 100 mil in cap space and you got guys like Zack Martin, Taylor Lewan, Deone Bucannon and Anthony Barr to name a few hopefully still available. Playoff caliber
- Hatboro_Swords

Kyle Lauletta has been on my radar

Pretty good numbers for the Sharks AHL team the past 2 years as well

For those who like Cj Smith,
O’Regan has been better

He will get a chance to make the roster next year
- jdfitz77

could see 3 rookies and wilson as our lw'ers this fall

Kyle Lauletta has been on my radar
- homiedclown

We’re on the same page with Chark. F it, take him with the 2nd in round one if you have to. Bills have a pretty good pedigree with Tigers. The LSU ones, not Clemson

We’re on the same page with Chark. F it, take him with the 2nd in round one if you have to. Bills have a pretty good pedigree with Tigers. The LSU ones, not Clemson
- Hatboro_Swords

I think they need to move up 12 or so spots to get clark

The three ROY candidates are all mid to late first rounders.

You need to draft well.

I’m no worries about O’Reilly leaving. He left one team and they survived somehow because they drafted a star in Rantanen 10th (I think) and a few other good players.

Bruins survived losing Seguin because they drafted Pastrnak and McAvoy

We need to hit on those picks regardless of trading O’Reilly or not. Otherwise it’s just spinning our wheels
- sbroads24

Of course we need to draft well...
but it’s still a bit of a crapshoot

When trading a player like O’Reilly,
i want something more certain than Baptiste & pick 13

Just bc the ROY candidates are mid-round picks, doesn’t mean that we’d choose them

We just as easily could take guys that end up being average like Girgensons,
even though they look great at the time

How exactly will keeping O’Reilly prevent us from building the rest of the team into a contender?

His salary isn’t an issue
U know we aren’t contenders NEXT year,
no matter what we do
After next season we have over 20mil in Cap space
And that’s with Sam re-signed around 4mil

Salaries like Pommer, Bogo, Okposo...
those need to go

Keeping ROR doesn’t stop Mitts or Nylander or Guhle or whoever we pick this year from potentially becoming really good player

Trading him for parts certainly doesn’t help unless we hit that mid-late round “home run”
How often does that happen?

When there were whispers of a trade at the deadline with Philly it centred around Lehner/Johnson and a Reinhart going the other way not ROR. Doubt either of them gets traded there though.
- Pegullaville

I just used Philly as an example bc they pick at 14,
and Sbroads said he’d take a top15 pick & “b” prospect for O’Reilly

I would hate that return

- homiedclown

Hahahaha

could see 3 rookies and wilson as our lw'ers this fall
- homiedclown

It’s certainly a possibility
If Sam isn’t traded & we get Svechnikov or Zadina,
I could see Okposo switch to LW too

They also had a pretty good idea that the Leafs were gonna suck

https://www.hockey-refere...e.com/teams/TOR/2010.html

So they were getting TWO cracks at a very high pick

I don’t want a “CHANCE at a home run”
We already have that with our own picks
If we are trading O’Reilly,
it has to be for a “core” player
Otherwise,
He does a good enough job here, in a difficult role, that i feel we can keep bringing in players around him & he can be part of us becoming a really good team

So if you’re telling me you’d trade O’Reilly for pick 14 & a prospect,
I’d say no way

Give me something like Dunn & Kyrou from StL
Or Montreal’s pick #4 plus a good prospect
Or #10 from NyI plus Bellows

Gotta be something like that
It can’t be for Philly’s #14 & a prospect the equivalent of Baptiste (who projects as a 3rd liner)
- jdfitz77

You honestly think RoR is worth the #4 overall +?

You honestly think RoR is worth the #4 overall +?
- Lunaion

No, but desperate GMs do dumb things
And i gotta think that Montreal’s GM is on the hot seat
It was a trade Gerbe posted that was proposed by Habs fans


And if that’s all u took from my post,
then just don’t bother

The point is...

Trade ROR for a “core” piece,
not for a “chance at a HR” (which is a long shot)

Otherwise,
He’s a good player we can win with
He’s not the problem
At least his production isn’t
I obviously can’t speak to any behind the scenes stuff that may or may not be going on

No, but desperate GMs do dumb things
And i gotta think that Montreal’s GM is on the hot seat
It was a trade Gerbe posted that was proposed by Habs fans


And if that’s all u took from my post,
then just don’t bother

The point is...

Trade ROR for a “core” piece,
not for a “chance at a HR” (which is a long shot)

Otherwise,
He’s a good player we can win with
He’s not the problem
At least his production isn’t
I obviously can’t speak to any behind the scenes stuff that may or may not be going on
- jdfitz77

You think he's worth #10 overall +?