Panarin is gone. He is a good player, but the trade is done. Just wish him luck and move on.

Kane is a future Hall of Fame player and one of the better offensive players around the league (nearly at the elite level of the top 5) but he has his flaws too. There are people that are too critical of him and there are people that believe he can do no wrong and ignore his flaws. He is a puck handler that creates offense and is one of the top 5 RW in the NHL. He hasn't looked immune to the collective decline of the team and he will be a huge piece if they want to bounce back. I hope he also has a better season next year along with most of the core.

My bad. You’re right, Panarin is now better than Kane, this was the absolute worst trade in the history of hockey (worst by far in Hawk history...Phil who?), and we really all did see this coming. If Stan isn’t publicly tarred and feathered and run out of town before the draft I’ll see you in the streets with my pitchfork and torch. Just been messing with you. Got anything new? Would love to hear it.
- HawkintheD

I started fighting against the Panarin trade way back the first time JJ brought it up as a rumor. I might keep it up (might not too) until Bowman is either gone or adequately replaces the squandered value. Of all Bowman's sins, the Panarin story was destined to be the perfect vehicle for making people continue to pay attention.

I am amazed at watching Vegas play. A total team commitment to getting after it. Rigid/hard hitting scheme with a heavy forecheck. Shows you how checked out the Hawks were this year. And it shows just how FAR AWAY we are from being competitive.

He was awful last night, just awful!!!
- glennjpawlak22

I've not seen too much of the Preds-Avs series but IMO he was one of the least effective players for the Hawks in the playoffs last season. I just remember how invisible he was in the series.

Interesting to see that the Preds have got him killing penalties a bit. It will be interesting to see if he sinks or swims long term in the NHL.

I love how the Kane hater constantly talks about his plus/Minus. How many times this year did we see a turnover by a defensman in the absolute worst areas of the ice end up in the back of our net? How many times did Forsberg give up a goal from the boards with clear view of the shooter. How many times did we see D get caught up ice for no apparent reason?

Plus/minus isnt always as telling with a team this poor defensively. If you're on the ice and a mistake or a poop goal goes in, you're a minus. Keep in mind, this guy has seen more linemate turnover then any elite star in the league. Kane has been the catalyst of three cups on the offensive end. He is the only rostered player that should get a pass.

I've not seen too much of the Preds-Avs series but IMO he was one of the least effective players for the Hawks in the playoffs last season. I just remember how invisible he was in the series.

Interesting to see that the Preds have got him killing penalties a bit. It will be interesting to see if he sinks or swims long term in the NHL.
- breadbag

I don't think the Preds re-sign him. I was unimpressed with him last night to say the least.

Because I think it would be difficult to take one away from those who do have it now, no matter how much they're games may have deteriorated.
- StLBravesFan

And there is one of the roots of the problemin my opinion. Change is necessary. The first two teams out are Ducks and Kings. The two most antiquated teams as I see it. And the hawks couldn't even qualify to be eliminated first. If someone's ego can't take it then tough you know what. Says me anyway.

I am amazed at watching Vegas play. A total team commitment to getting after it. Rigid/hard hitting scheme with a heavy forecheck. Shows you how checked out the Hawks were this year. And it shows just how FAR AWAY we are from being competitive.
- z1990z

Ya, all of this.

I love how the Kane hater constantly talks about his plus/Minus. How many times this year did we see a turnover by a defensman in the absolute worst areas of the ice end up in the back of our net? How many times did Forsberg give up a goal from the boards with clear view of the shooter. How many times did we see D get caught up ice for no apparent reason?

Plus/minus isnt always as telling with a team this poor defensively. If you're on the ice and a mistake or a poop goal goes in, you're a minus. Keep in mind, this guy has seen more linemate turnover then any elite star in the league. Kane has been the catalyst of three cups on the offensive end. He is the only rostered player that should get a pass.
- nickmo2699

IMO, that is the attitude that gets a team waiting on a draft lottery instead of playing playoff hockey. Nobody should get a pass. Plus minus isn't everything, but Kane is part of a 5 man unit on the ice. Bad things happen but some of it is on him too. He isn't without blame. I've seen him turn the puck over with some of the attempts to beat guys 1 on 1 (which fails more often than it works) and the team goes the other way. Part of it isn't his fault, because the coaches also put him out there with some other guys who think offense but suck at defense, but Kane should never just get a pass. He can do better defensively because he is absolutely part of it when his line is hemmed in their own end and getting scored on.

That sentence wasn't directed at you. It was meant for anyone answering the troll posts. Unless I'm wrong, pretty sure that's not you.
- HawkintheD

Sorry, miss understood.

IMO, that is the attitude that gets a team waiting on a draft lottery instead of playing playoff hockey. Nobody should get a pass. Plus minus isn't everything, but Kane is part of a 5 man unit on the ice. Bad things happen but some of it is on him too. He isn't without blame. I've seen him turn the puck over with some of the attempts to beat guys 1 on 1 (which fails more often than it works) and the team goes the other way. Part of it isn't his fault, because the coaches also put him out there with some other guys who think offense but suck at defense, but Kane should never just get a pass. He can do better defensively because he is absolutely part of it when his line is hemmed in their own end and getting scored on.
- breadbag

Good points! However, we also need to look at the defensive zone coverage and having a three man unit of terrible D and Schmaltz....who is a good player but needs to get stronger to win battles down low. He was muscled off pucks in that area quite a bit and that didnt help either. Kane did regress this year in his own end for sure though!

Good points! However, we also need to look at the defensive zone coverage and having a three man unit of terrible D and Schmaltz....who is a good player but needs to get stronger to win battles down low. He was muscled off pucks in that area quite a bit and that didnt help either. Kane did regress this year in his own end for sure though!
- nickmo2699

Hawks will be pretty happy if Schmaltz can keep taking the next step. I hear what you are saying. I just hope they all individually take the approach of holding themselves accountable and the older guys most of all, because the young guys are learning from their example.

I love how the Kane hater constantly talks about his plus/Minus. How many times this year did we see a turnover by a defensman in the absolute worst areas of the ice end up in the back of our net? How many times did Forsberg give up a goal from the boards with clear view of the shooter. How many times did we see D get caught up ice for no apparent reason?

Plus/minus isnt always as telling with a team this poor defensively. If you're on the ice and a mistake or a poop goal goes in, you're a minus. Keep in mind, this guy has seen more linemate turnover then any elite star in the league. Kane has been the catalyst of three cups on the offensive end. He is the only rostered player that should get a pass.
- nickmo2699

Plus minus has stood the test of time because there are various aspects to it. Kane went from being a plus 11 player the year before to a minus 20 this year. Notable only because it pretty much reflected what the absence of Pararin brought about. Linemate turnover has been an ongoing issue for him reflecting mgt's lack of respect for their one superstar. Kane deserves better treatment and it would not surprise me if he wanted out.

I don't think the Preds re-sign him. I was unimpressed with him last night to say the least.
- 6628

https://www.nhl.com/news/...c-298119264?tid=277549076

Yikes. (sorry if this has already been shared)

Panarin, in his three NHL years, has proven to be a superstar in the making. He continues to develop positively along those lines. I would say further the trade to Columbus has speeded this up for him. I do not see anyone else on the Blue Jackets with his dynamics.
I also still like getting Saad back, I like his whole game. Particularly, I like his PK minutes, something the 'Hawks were sorely lacking in once Kruger was lost.
There is still plenty of room for this trade to be a win-win for both teams.

All that being said, seeing Panarin taking a two-hander across the chops late in Game 4 against the Predators last year with no 'Hawk pushback, after seeing Toews ragdolled the entire series with no pushback was the very saddest period of Blackhawk playoff hockey I have ever witnessed. If you are going to have superstars, you MUST protect them. ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.
- 35Tony0

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We should all support this on the Blackhawks. It sure shows signs in Bowman"svtenure that this is the least of his concerns. After all, his Cup wonning team.in 2013 stepped up the physical checking as needed and it was enough insofar as they won the Cup. The same approach worked in 2016, although i will always feel that the experienc and the strong will to win one last time superseeded the physicality the team, collectively, brought in the final vs Tampa Bay

Now perhaps Bowman can talk around this physical aspect, skirting the undeniable and apparently least important knock against his teams (in his mind) by way of focusing on other issues "befallen" the team. McDonough and Rocky fed a little white lie, a little bs, a slight misdirect since the greater issue to Bowman is to now bring the team back up to playoff worthy while simultaneously developing new young talent.

Well then can someone ask Bowman how his new young talent here now and on the way is going to survive both regular season + playoffs (if they qualify) flogging and beating if there is not enough players who would push back? Specifically there has to be accountability, so our players must hinder and whack too. Does it take Q loosing his job before Stan addresses the lack of our players playing the right way? If a zebra doesn't change its stripes, then the players Stan has assembled is not the correct mix....unwillingness is pervassive........so then does Stan eventually loose his job over lack of vision?

Each team has to push back. The playoff foes down in their series have been or will ratchet up the ugly side of the game. Desperate measures when down and almost out for the season

Bowman is just delaying his fate if he doesn't put together enough toughness, grit. Etc al.

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- jhawk59

Well they had a line that could do that with Bouma, Wingels and Kampf. Kampf is not an enforcer type, but Bouma and Wingels are the energy/hitter types. Neither finished the season with us. Bouma was a consistent guy out there. Didnt bring much point wise, but he brought all the other stuff this team needed and still needs.

With Q and Stanley still here, I am not expecting a much different result next year. Unless Stan can pull off a Hossa cap space trade and bring in new size/skill/energy.

Well they had a line that could do that with Bouma, Wingels and Kampf. Kampf is not an enforcer type, but Bouma and Wingels are the energy/hitter types. Neither finished the season with us. Bouma was a consistent guy out there. Didnt bring much point wise, but he brought all the other stuff this team needed and still needs.

With Q and Stanley still here, I am not expecting a much different result next year. Unless Stan can pull off a Hossa cap space trade and bring in new size/skill/energy.
- z1990z

I would argue for increased physicality across all four forward lines.

And there is one of the roots of the problemin my opinion. Change is necessary. The first two teams out are Ducks and Kings. The two most antiquated teams as I see it. And the hawks couldn't even qualify to be eliminated first. If someone's ego can't take it then tough you know what. Says me anyway.
- 6628

And, as usual, you do not say incorrectly.

I would argue for increased physicality across all four forward lines.
- 35Tony0

As would I, but that is not a Q style of play. He wants the stretch pass/race horse team. Those race horses are now flat worn out. He needs to adjust to get the max out of what he has. Don't think he can do that at this stage.

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- glennjpawlak22

"Well, that escalated quickly."

As would I, but that is not a Q style of play. He wants the stretch pass/race horse team. Those race horses are now flat worn out. He needs to adjust to get the max out of what he has. Don't think he can do that at this stage.
- z1990z

Yep, gonna need new horses if he wants to horse race.

https://www.nhl.com/news/predators-ryan-hartman-to-have-hearing-for-actions-against-avalanche/c-298119264?tid=277549076

Yikes. (sorry if this has already been shared)
- Slofire94

The more things change. . .

Well they had a line that could do that with Bouma, Wingels and Kampf. Kampf is not an enforcer type, but Bouma and Wingels are the energy/hitter types. Neither finished the season with us. Bouma was a consistent guy out there. Didnt bring much point wise, but he brought all the other stuff this team needed and still needs.

With Q and Stanley still here, I am not expecting a much different result next year. Unless Stan can pull off a Hossa cap space trade and bring in new size/skill/energy.
- z1990z

Yes, the Hawks had that type of 4th line with Bouma, Wingels, and Hayden until they got broken up for whatever reason and two of them got sent down to Rockford while the other was shipped out at the TDL. If the Hawks can replicate that line next season, that would be a good start.

Kampf is a good candidate for 4C. Agree, he's not the physical hard hitter like Bouma, Wingels, or Hayden, but he does have size and is pretty stacked so nobody is going to push him around as opposed to the likes of Kruger, Kero, and Highmore.

Candidates to fill out the wings could include Hayden, Martinsen, possibly Wingels if he re-signs to come back home again. Who knows, Bowman may bring back Bouma or a free agent like him.

The more things change. . .

- pdx2ord

not only was he running around like an idiot hitting anything he could...but his play on the ice was horrible, turnovers, etc.....i wouldnt be surprised if he sat next game