Odd man out, how?

Giroux, Voracek, Couturier, Patrick, Konecny and who? That's barely two lines.
- SuperSchennBros

Giroux, Voracek, Couturier, Patrick, Konecny, Lindblom, Frost, the 2, 1st rounders in this draft.

Issac Ratcilffe has the potential to be a similar player.
- Mordecai

As does Allison and perhaps even Strome if he can improve his skating.

right, which means that i'm not paying Simmonds 6m for 6 years based on his past production
- Mordecai

That doesn't make sense with your comment that Simmonds never made 2.8M. Salaries are relative to the times. Cap hits and salaries are inflated. What is 6M now relative to back in 08/09?

First off, nowhere did I say they would replace Simmonds.

But I would look at Ratcliffe, Strome, Twarynski, Bunnaman. Vorobyev, even Lindblom.

There are more big bodies in the pipe.

And I'm sorry, I don't want to be paying a 32, 33, 34, 35 year old Wayne Simmonds 6 million. And if none of them pan out in to a 20-25 goal power forward they can go out and sign a younger forward to do that job.

For me its about cap space and cap usage.
- MBFlyerfan

Preach it!

Get Hagg in. Sit Manning. Wake up Giroux, Jake and Simmonds. And tell Konecny to switch to decaf.

Agreed. I love Simmonds, but he seems like the odd man out. If he gets that kinda loot, it’ll be the Lucic contract 2.0.

Unfortunate that he’s had such a down year which hurts his trade value big time. If he is indeed hurt which I do think somethings been up with him all year, if they did negotiate a favorable cap hit and term I’d be fine with it.

It seems like everything is pointing to him leaving though. Patrick’s emergence on the PP1, the young prospects coming up in the short term, and other guys in the near future that will command a significant raise. His recent lack of production isn’t helping.
- IvanBrovorov

Maybe he re ups in the summer for a more reasonable deal...but I think Simmonds will bet on him self having a bounce back year, and play out his contract.

Odd man out, how?

Giroux, Voracek, Couturier, Patrick, Konecny and who? That's barely two lines.
- SuperSchennBros

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I know that I'm just asking for it but...

All this trading Simmonds talk just adds to why I feel like we traded Brayden Schenn too soon. Schenn is a better player than Simmonds, well under 30. Productive. Yeah, I get that he's not the best even strength player but you probably could have gotten an even bigger package back for Simmonds.

That doesn't make sense with your comment that Simmonds never made 2.8M. Salaries are relative to the times. Cap hits and salaries are inflated. What is 6M now relative to back in 08/09?
- MJL

SSB inferred that Simmonds and Knuble are comparable players. which they actually are after doing some research. the difference is Knuble made signifigantly less against the cap no matter what era we're in. Simmonds is worth 6x6 if he rebounds and scores 30 goals again for the next 3-4 years then continues to be productive for the last 2-3. which, unfortunately, is not likely.

and for further example, Knuble had 195 points over the span of 4 years then 66 points total for the next 3 while still playing 75+ games. he dropped off of a cliff production wise

SSB inferred that Simmonds and Knuble are comparable players. which they actually are after doing some research. the difference is Knuble made signifigantly less against the cap no matter what era we're in. Simmonds is worth 6x6 if he rebounds and scores 30 goals again for the next 3-4 years then continues to be productive for the last 2-3. which, unfortunately, is not likely.
- Mordecai

We're talking 2.8M in 08/09 compared to 3.975 in 17/18. Significantly less? Don't think so. Which is the actual comparison in the context that you made it.

and for further example, Knuble had 195 points over the span of 4 years then 66 points total for the next 3 while still playing 75+ games. he dropped off of a cliff production wise
- Mordecai

We can't find any players who kept up their production well into their 30's?

We're talking 2.8M in 08/09 compared to 3.975 in 17/18. Significantly less? Don't think so. Which is the actual comparison in the context that you made it.
- MJL

no i'm talking about Simmonds next contract dude

Knuble NEVER made more than 2.8m. Simmonds commanding 6m+ while being comparable production wise is crazy to me.

We can't find any players who kept up their production well into their 30's?
- MJL

don't think that's what i said.

no i'm talking about Simmonds next contract dude

Knuble NEVER made more than 2.8m. Simmonds commanding 6m+ while being comparable production wise is crazy to me.
- Mordecai

Yea, I got that which is why your point that Knuble never made more than 2.8M was a bad one. Not comparable.

don't think that's what i said.
- Mordecai

Rhetorical. So the fact that Knuble, Lucic, or any other players production waned in their 30's really doesn't mean anything. The question is how will Simmonds production hold up into his 30's.

This, plus the fact that he can likely land them at least a 1st round pick back and perhaps a bit more is why you actively look to move him at this year’s draft.

It may hurt a bit in the short run, but until more youth comes in and they upgrade in goal (hopefully with Hart), they aren’t going to be contending.

At best, they’re probably still no better than a bubble team again next year and they probably won’t be a top contender before 20-21 when today’s kids are entering their primes and the next wave has come in.

I can’t see any way in which Simmonds is going the kind of offer from Hextsll that will keep him here and I don’t blame Hextall one bit for that. A GM cannot think with his heart. I love what Simmonds has brought to this team over the last few years but it’s time to move him. Let the Chiarellis of the world be the one to sign him to the 6 year 35 million plus deal that you know he’s going to get.

It cannot be personal, it is a business and the successful GMs are the ones that grasp that.
- BiggE

Very well said on all points.

I know that I'm just asking for it but...

All this trading Simmonds talk just adds to why I feel like we traded Brayden Schenn too soon. Schenn is a better player than Simmonds, well under 30. Productive. Yeah, I get that he's not the best even strength player but you probably could have gotten an even bigger package back for Simmonds.
- SuperSchennBros

Personally I would have traded Simmonds over Schenn. Just due to the fact that Schenn is entering his prime and Simmonds is exiting his. But I'm not in charge of trades for the Flyers It's all water under the bridge now though. And I have a feeling Simmonds isn't on this team next season.

We're talking 2.8M in 08/09 compared to 3.975 in 17/18. Significantly less? Don't think so. Which is the actual comparison in the context that you made it.
- MJL

Okay, no, he's talking about 2.8M in 08/09 compared to 6+M in 18/19. So there's that.

But please continue your crusade.

EDIT: I see it's been continued

I know that I'm just asking for it but...

All this trading Simmonds talk just adds to why I feel like we traded Brayden Schenn too soon. Schenn is a better player than Simmonds, well under 30. Productive. Yeah, I get that he's not the best even strength player but you probably could have gotten an even bigger package back for Simmonds.
- SuperSchennBros

fair comment really.

Rhetorical. So the fact that Knuble, Lucic, or any other players production waned in their 30's really doesn't mean anything. The question is how will Simmonds production hold up into his 30's.
- MJL

okay so let's ignore some comparable players and back up the brinks truck to a guy based on his past production

love Simmer but it is extremely unlikely he will live up to a 6x6 contract at age 31+

I know that I'm just asking for it but...

All this trading Simmonds talk just adds to why I feel like we traded Brayden Schenn too soon. Schenn is a better player than Simmonds, well under 30. Productive. Yeah, I get that he's not the best even strength player but you probably could have gotten an even bigger package back for Simmonds.
- SuperSchennBros

Why do you do this

When did I say the Flyers couldn't have gotten a solid young player and or draft picks for Simmonds if they had traded him at last year's draft?
- MJL

My bad, didn’t mean sorry MJL in that manner. Said sorry since you were saying trading was a bad move or a ridiculous statement at last year’s draft. And have been in favor of bringing him back. Didn’t mean to put words in your mouth there 🤙🏻

Okay, no, he's talking about 2.8M in 08/09 compared to 6+M in 18/19. So there's that.

But please continue your crusade.

EDIT: I see it's been continued
- Giroux_Is_God

i might have been a little unclear but whatever, poop happens

i might have been a little unclear but whatever, poop happens
- Mordecai

You weren't, at all.

Beep boop.