Not using hindsight.

Look at my posts from last year, I was calling for him to be traded.

Hence, me saying i was beating a dead horse.

Please explain to me what you mean by "not based in the reality of the situation."

I don't understand what you are trying to say.
- ggunky

Simmonds is coming off back to back 30 goal 50-60 point seasons, is one of the top PP net front forwards in the entire NHL, signed to a very friendly cap contract with two years still left. The Flyers had already trade Brayden Schenn and you're saying that the Flyers should have trade him last year at the draft. Doesn't add up.

So you completely discredit the actual scoring that Simmonds has done in his career because he doesn't create the scoring opportunities, he just finishes them? Makes sense. I don't see Nolan Patrick's future in the NHL on the PP as a net front presence. A player of Simmonds caliber is never expendable. That is ridiculous.
Simmonds has had a down year no doubt, but he has been a solid producer at 5 on 5 and on the PP in his career and if you can't see that then you haven't been watching very often. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he has a physical issue. Weal doesn't drive spit and even in this down year Weal is not half the player that Simmonds is.
- MJL

I would like Weal in but I wouldn't sit Simmonds. that said I am VERY leery about re-signing him.

Simmonds is coming off back to back 30 goal 50-60 point seasons, is one of the top PP net front forwards in the entire NHL, signed to a very friendly cap contract with two years still left. The Flyers had already trade Brayden Schenn and you're saying that the Flyers should have trade him last year at the draft. Doesn't add up.
- MJL

It adds up.

You clearly aren't understand trade value.

Simmonds has to be hurt or at least I hope so based on his play. thing is guys like Filppula, Lehtera and Read at least bring defensive play and a PK role (not that the PK has been good). Simmonds has to bring offense and physical play and he has brought neither for a long while now.
- nastyflyergirl

Exactly. It's not like I'm basing my opinion to bench him off of 3 or 4 bad games. He hasn't been very effective for a while now. And in the playoffs he has been totally and completely ineffective in every avenue of play.

But like I said, I know they won't bench him.

I don't discredit his scoring ability as I said I like Simmonds. I just look at the makeup of the Flyers currently and all the prospects, and there has to be an odd man out. If I had to guess it'll probably be Simmonds. The way they are using him right now doesn't benefit him either, Filppula can't create opportunities for Simmonds and Simmonds isn't creating opportunities for himself. Maybe put him with G and Couts and you'll see better results but idk I just don't think he is going to be a player we see stick around for the long haul here.
- FreshFlyer

No there doesn't have to be an odd man out at all. Prospects are not guaranteed. The Flyers don't have a surplus of quality NHL forwards at this point. Like I said there is some merit to trading Simmonds in the right deal but there is also plenty of merit to keeping him.

Exactly. It's not like I'm basing my opinion to bench him off of 3 or 4 bad games. He hasn't been very effective for a while now. And in the playoffs he has been totally and completely ineffective in every avenue of play.

But like I said, I know they won't bench him.
- hereticpride

Through 3 playoff games, Simmonds has 1 assist and is -1. Giroux has 1 assist and is a -4.

It adds up.

You clearly aren't understand trade value.
- ggunky

That's a ridiculous statement. Trade value of a player in and of itself is not a reason to soley base trading a player on.

Let's discuss it further and find out who actually understands trade value and who doesn't.

Through 3 playoff games, Simmonds has 1 assist and is -1. Giroux has 1 assist and is a -4.
- MJL

And Giroux finished the season 2nd in the league in points and throwing this team on his back.

This isn't a hard concept to understand. That's all you're getting out of me. Peace.

Exactly. It's not like I'm basing my opinion to bench him off of 3 or 4 bad games. He hasn't been very effective for a while now. And in the playoffs he has been totally and completely ineffective in every avenue of play.

But like I said, I know they won't bench him.
- hereticpride

I like Simmonds a lot. Real heart and soul guy. He hasn't been himself at all. I wouldn't sit him honestly but I would bring Weal in probably for Lehtera not that he has played badly. Based on the fact Lindblom dropped to the 4th line why do I think he would be the one scratched?

That's a ridiculous statement. Trade value of a player in and of itself is not a reason to soley base trading a player on.
- MJL

That is a ridiculous statement. To look at the value of a player and not take full advantage of it is doing your team a dis-service.

And Giroux finished the season 2nd in the league in points and throwing this team on his back.

This isn't a hard concept to understand. That's all you're getting out of me. Peace.
- hereticpride

You're point would have merit if I was suggesting taking Giroux out of the lineup in contrast to your foolish suggestion to take Simmonds out, but I am not. My point was to simply illustrate that although they could certainly use more out Simmonds, the real issue is the level of play they're getting out of Giroux and Voracek. That isn't a hard concept to understand. I have plenty more for you.

interesting that Elliott kinda thru the blame on goal 4 on Giroux. Hakstol admitted he should have called a time out after goal 3

That is a ridiculous statement. To look at the value of a player and not take full advantage of it is doing your team a dis-service.
- ggunky

Sometimes taking full advantage of a players value is to keep him on your team.

Claude Giroux just put up career highs in points and assists. I guess the Flyers should take full advantage of the value of the player this off season.

Sometimes taking full advantage of a players value is to keep him on your team.

Claude Giroux just put up career highs in points and assists. I guess the Flyers should take full advantage of the value of the player this off season.
- MJL

what if Simmonds agent is asking for 5-6 years?

In my opinion, his value would\will never be higher.

In my opinion, he isn't a part of the core moving forward. because of:

In my opinion, he isn't worth 6+ million a year for the 6 years or what ever it is he will be signed for.

Because of the things I listed above, in my opinion, the Flyers would have benefited most by trading Simmonds at the draft last year. Of course this is contingent on the Flyers having a team or two who would have been interested in trading for Simmonds.
- ggunky

Just keep Simmonds next year. He is obviously dealing with something. We are not handing spots to kids. Make them earn it. The world is not going to end if we lose him to free agency. I want him battling against our kids in training camp.

Evaluate possibly resigning him next year.

what if Simmonds agent is asking for 5-6 years?
- nastyflyergirl

I would expect it to be at least 5.

Just keep Simmonds next year. He is obviously dealing with something. We are not handing spots to kids. Make them earn it. The world is not going to end if we lose him to free agency. I want him battling against our kids in training camp.

Evaluate possibly resigning him next year.
- Just5

If I was the GM what I do with Simmonds really depends largely on his contract demands.

interesting that Elliott kinda thru the blame on goal 4 on Giroux. Hakstol admitted he should have called a time out after goal 3
- nastyflyergirl

This is prob the biggest thing that boils me about hak. And I’m a hak fan. A coach should have the ability to sink a message into his team during a timeout or calm things down or something. He doesn’t do it.

I would expect it to be at least 5.
- MJL

what if he wants 5-6 million for 5-7 years? put your GM hat on

what if Simmonds agent is asking for 5-6 years?
- nastyflyergirl

Love Simmer but 5-6 years at 6m+ for a career minus player at 29 years old who plays the game hard and puts his body on the line is a huge gamble contract and could potentially be really bad by year 3 or 4.

The hope is that Patrick, Lindblom, TK, and some other prospects can elevate their production and help minimize the loss of Simmonds. No guaruntee there either but i think it's the less risky path.

This is prob the biggest thing that boils me about hak. And I’m a hak fan. A coach should have the ability to sink a message into his team during a timeout or calm things down or something. He doesn’t do it.
- Just5

Not the first time he has admitted he should have called a TO.

Bill Meltzer: Game 3 Wrap: Penguins Down Flyers, 5-1
- bmeltzer

Oddly enough, I do believe Travis Sanheim was a well earned third star of the game. He wanted to be apart of the young group to get that first playoff goal out of the way and he made it happen.

On Simmonds, I'm never gonna come to my conclusion because everyone else has come to an agreement. Bill, used the ice times of Couturier and Provorov's for examples and then presented how much of that ice time was on special teams. If Hakstol decided tomorrow that Simmonds is going to be on the fourth line, I won't like it but I don't argue it. The Power Play is a totally different story. We just went 0 for 6 on the PP. In my mind Simmonds is the best in the league on top of crease. You've gotta make that adjustment.

Love Simmer but 5-6 years at 6m+ for a career minus player at 29 years old who plays the game hard and puts his body on the line is a huge gamble contract and could potentially be really bad by year 3 or 4.

The hope is that Patrick, Lindblom, TK, and some other prospects can elevate their production and help minimize the loss of Simmonds. No guaruntee there either but i think it's the less risky path.
- Mordecai

that is where I am and I love Simmonds. I just don't want to see them sign him to a bad deal.

what if he wants 5-6 million for 5-7 years? put your GM hat on
- nastyflyergirl

I don't think that is an if, I think it's pretty much a guarantee. A player of his caliber playing at his normal level of play is worth that contract. There is always a risk in that. Will he bounce back, will he stay that player throughout the contract. There is merit to explore a trade in the right deal. There is also merit in re-signing him.

If I was the GM what I do with Simmonds really depends largely on his contract demands.
- nastyflyergirl

That and another year of evaluation of Ratcliffe/Allison. Simmonds prob won’t be back. Doesn’t mean they should trade him