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Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Apr 16 @ 9:22 AM ET
They never won a game outside the 2nd round with Martin in the top 4...
- MattStrat


Different forward group/coach/system.

Still a handy top 4 group.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Apr 16 @ 9:23 AM ET
Different forward group/coach/system.

Still a handy top 4 group.

- Aussiepenguin



Haha I know, obviously a lot of other factors...
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Apr 16 @ 9:24 AM ET
Good call. That was solid, although Orpik was already really bad.
- Victoro311


Yes the years of cheap - sorry, years of hitting started to take its toll. Thank goodness the Caps didn't realise!
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Apr 16 @ 9:26 AM ET
Haha I know, obviously a lot of other factors...
- MattStrat


Speaking of which, has Gibbons played both games with the Devils? Looks like staying away from Grabner was a blessing in disguise although again, tough to compare.
joecool2931
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rillton, PA
Joined: 09.03.2015

Apr 16 @ 9:27 AM ET
I think this is the deepest forward group the Pens have had in the Crosby/Geno era.
- j.boyd919


That's what i keep hearing people saying, but I was definitely much more confident in the 4th line when Cullen was running it. But Lines 1-3, for sure stronger. Just the 4th I think is weaker.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 9:30 AM ET
I think its also by far the best top 4 D we've had in the Crosby-Malkin Era. I don't really remember how good/bad it was when we had Gonch, Gogo, Orpik, and Scuds all in their prime and a rookie Kris Letang, but since I've been seriously watching the Pens, this kicks the crap out of any defense we've had.
- Victoro311


Yeah I could probably agree with that too.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 9:34 AM ET
That's what i keep hearing people saying, but I was definitely much more confident in the 4th line when Cullen was running it. But Lines 1-3, for sure stronger. Just the 4th I think is weaker.
- joecool2931


I dunno, Sheahan>Cullen IMO, Kuhnackl was on both lines, the other difference is ZAR instead of Wilson/Rowney and I think ZAR could put up 6 points by this playoffs end.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 16 @ 9:35 AM ET
https://www.pensburgh.com/2014/3/11/5495810/penguins-and-flyers-the-battle-of-pennsylvania

Sam Carchidi and Andrew Fillipponi

- j.boyd919


Sam carchidi??? Seriously you guys need to drop itBest player in the world yes. Use that Bc it came from our coach at the time
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 9:37 AM ET
Sam carchidi??? Seriously you guys. Red to drop it. Best player in the world yes. Use that Bc it came from our coach at the time
- Just5


I don't give a (frank) lol I was just pointing out that it was said more than once. Hahaha
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 9:40 AM ET
Haha I havent even looked at it yet. Is it really that bad? Seem to remember people around here saying it was going to be a good one this summer...
- MattStrat


Well I think it really depends on what your team is going to look for.. there is some top talent in Tavares, Carlson, JVR, Kane, etc. But I think after the guys who are gonna get paaaaaid.. it gets to be a little slim.
NJPensfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 10.25.2006

Apr 16 @ 9:40 AM ET
https://www.pensburgh.com/2014/3/11/5495810/penguins-and-flyers-the-battle-of-pennsylvania

Sam Carchidi and Andrew Fillipponi

- j.boyd919


I bet they are proud of those vapid comments. Right up there with Ron Cook's: "The Pens will miss Ryan Whitney" knee-jerk moment.

FYI: Sports writers are simply fans (some not even fans) with journalism degrees. Most of them never even played sports at any level let alone pro or semi-amateur and nothing they say of personal opinion typically holds any weight. I mean; look at Ek.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Apr 16 @ 9:42 AM ET
I think this year's team is much better all around than last year's team aside from not having a Murray/Fleury tandem.

The biggest overall difference from last year to this year is not so much the Pens, but the quality of opponents. Boston and Tampa are juggernauts and aside from the regular season Champs last year, the Pens had an easier road than they will this year.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 9:42 AM ET
Well I think it really depends on what your team is going to look for.. there is some top talent in Tavares, Carlson, JVR, Kane, etc. But I think after the guys who are gonna get paaaaaid.. it gets to be a little slim.
- j.boyd919




Top 30 scorers in UFA this summer.

Just5, who could the Flyers be interested in? I know they have a decent amount of cap space this summer.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 9:43 AM ET
I bet they are proud of those vapid comments. Right up there with Ron Cook's: "The Pens will miss Ryan Whitney" knee-jerk moment.

FYI: Sports writers are simply fans (some not even fans) with journalism degrees. Most of them never even played sports at any level let alone pro or semi-amateur and nothing they say of personal opinion typically holds any weight. I mean; look at Ek.

- NJPensfan


Whits is the man though. Spittin' Chiclet's is seriously one of the best podcasts to listen to. That dude is comedy.
joecool2931
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Rillton, PA
Joined: 09.03.2015

Apr 16 @ 9:43 AM ET
I dunno, Sheahan>Cullen IMO, Kuhnackl was on both lines, the other difference is ZAR instead of Wilson/Rowney and I think ZAR could put up 6 points by this playoffs end.
- j.boyd919


but the first cup run was Cullen/Fehr/Kuhn, which is a pretty sick 4th. Last years was pretty bad though Cullen/wilson/rowney mixed in with sheary and Guentz when they were playing terrible so they were no help...wasn't Kuhn injured most of the playoffs last year though?
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Apr 16 @ 9:45 AM ET
Thats why I'm a little hesitant to say stronger than 2016...because while the roster might be a bit stronger on paper, the cohesiveness and buzzsawness isnt quite there. Though I do see signs of it at times.
- MattStrat

Yeah, that 2016 team had serious chemistry like HBK, not to mention how Letang was playing v today so I liked their chances better.

It was also a weaker field, there are a lot if really good teams this year. In 2016 it felt like if they got past Washington they should win.

On paper this team is loaded. PK group and back up goalie are the main areas I think we're weaker. But they just haven't quite lived up to their talent even though it's still a good team.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Apr 16 @ 9:47 AM ET


Top 30 scorers in UFA this summer.

Just5, who could the Flyers be interested in? I know they have a decent amount of cap space this summer.

- j.boyd919


Athanasiou.
NJPensfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 10.25.2006

Apr 16 @ 9:48 AM ET
Sam carchidi??? Seriously you guys. Red to drop it. Best player in the world yes. Use that Bc it came from our coach at the time
- Just5


Well he does have a BA in journalism from Glassboro State (Rowan), so that accounts for something right? Haha, I jest...it doesn't mean squat. I don't think there's a writer out there who's opinion I give two F's about. They are all are experts at eating crow and deflecting dumb comments.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Apr 16 @ 9:49 AM ET
Well I think it really depends on what your team is going to look for.. there is some top talent in Tavares, Carlson, JVR, Kane, etc. But I think after the guys who are gonna get paaaaaid.. it gets to be a little slim.
- j.boyd919

You have those guys plus the possibilities of guys like Karlsson, Doughty, OEL getting traded and there are some serious game changers, more than usual. Depth drops off a ton but there is a potential for massive power shifts this off-season.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 9:50 AM ET
I bet they are proud of those vapid comments. Right up there with Ron Cook's: "The Pens will miss Ryan Whitney" knee-jerk moment.

FYI: Sports writers are simply fans (some not even fans) with journalism degrees. Most of them never even played sports at any level let alone pro or semi-amateur and nothing they say of personal opinion typically holds any weight. I mean; look at Ek.

- NJPensfan


What does not playing the sport have to do with anything?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 9:50 AM ET
Athanasiou.
- Rinosaur


RFA
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Apr 16 @ 9:52 AM ET
but the first cup run was Cullen/Fehr/Kuhn, which is a pretty sick 4th. Last years was pretty bad though Cullen/wilson/rowney mixed in with sheary and Guentz when they were playing terrible so they were no help...wasn't Kuhn injured most of the playoffs last year though?
- joecool2931

Kuhn was benched for Rowney and Wilson and never got back in.
NJPensfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 10.25.2006

Apr 16 @ 9:52 AM ET
Whits is the man though. Spittin' Chiclet's is seriously one of the best podcasts to listen to. That dude is comedy.
- j.boyd919


Yeah, he is very humble about everything and self-depreciating, so I can't hate on him (anymore). I think he's just happy he had the chance to play in the NHL with some good players and had an opportunity to play for the cup that last full season. Like Army, he's a good guy.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Apr 16 @ 9:54 AM ET
Athanasiou.
- Rinosaur

j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 16 @ 9:54 AM ET
but the first cup run was Cullen/Fehr/Kuhn, which is a pretty sick 4th. Last years was pretty bad though Cullen/wilson/rowney mixed in with sheary and Guentz when they were playing terrible so they were no help...wasn't Kuhn injured most of the playoffs last year though?
- joecool2931


He played 11 games, Rowney and Wilson had 20 each. Yeah Kuhn-Cullen-Fehr was alright. I don't think they were anything special though. I think all 3 years 4th lines are comparable.
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