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Todd Cordell
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 02.10.2014

Apr 14 @ 12:43 PM ET
Todd Cordell: On Gulutzan and a potential coaching change for the Flames
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Apr 14 @ 12:46 PM ET
If the Flames do fire Gulutzan, there's zero chance they hire someone that doesn't have NHL success.
Todd Cordell
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 02.10.2014

Apr 14 @ 1:00 PM ET
If the Flames do fire Gulutzan, there's zero chance they hire someone that doesn't have NHL success.
- Hunkulese


Yeah, it seems unlikely. Doesn't mean it's the right thing to do (depending who is available, of course).
tincup
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 07.21.2006

Apr 14 @ 1:09 PM ET
If the Flames do fire Gulutzan, there's zero chance they hire someone that doesn't have NHL success.
- Hunkulese


And if they do fire him, who would you like to see and why ?
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Apr 14 @ 2:00 PM ET
And if they do fire him, who would you like to see and why ?
- tincup


I don't think it really matters. All the known names are fine, but I don't think they're really much better or worse than Gulutzan.
Razzdazzle1
Calgary Flames
Joined: 05.17.2015

Apr 14 @ 2:13 PM ET
We need someone with balls that will hold the team accountable. No more of this "the team wasn't ready to play today" bullpoop!

If GG grew a pair he'd be a damn good coach!

K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: Sayulita
Joined: 09.02.2014

Apr 14 @ 2:14 PM ET
If the Flames do fire Gulutzan, there's zero chance they hire someone that doesn't have NHL success.
- Hunkulese

I agree he tried that when he hired Glughead and it didn't work out so to turn around and do it again. I would like to see them move on Tim Hunter in some capacity.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: Sayulita
Joined: 09.02.2014

Apr 14 @ 2:17 PM ET
Todd Cordell: On Gulutzan and a potential coaching change for the Flames
- ToddCordellCGY

Blaming Cameron for the power play is not totally warranted. Don't get me wrong he should be fired but GG still has final say on personnel and the continual use of players that shouldn't be there should fall on his shoulders.
FlamesFan1230
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2006

Apr 14 @ 2:27 PM ET
At Kman, GG was coach of the Stars for for two years and he got fired, I see the trend continuing....
Helios
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 08.11.2016

Apr 14 @ 4:08 PM ET
I think Gully stays. His systems have us consistently outchancing the opposition and there's nothing he can do about the players not being able to convert. The team being fragile I don't think is his fault. The team coming out flat some games might be but I think he can try to correct that next season if he's given another year.

If we fire Gully, it better be because a clear upgrade is going to come in and take his place, and right now I don't think that clear upgrade is out there. Fire Dave Cameron and bring in a new PP guy, but Gully should stay unless we can get a clear upgrade.
FlamesFan1230
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2006

Apr 14 @ 5:28 PM ET
I think Gully stays. His systems have us consistently outchancing the opposition and there's nothing he can do about the players not being able to convert. The team being fragile I don't think is his fault. The team coming out flat some games might be but I think he can try to correct that next season if he's given another year.

If we fire Gully, it better be because a clear upgrade is going to come in and take his place, and right now I don't think that clear upgrade is out there. Fire Dave Cameron and bring in a new PP guy, but Gully should stay unless we can get a clear upgrade.

- Helios


I have to agree with you, firing GG seems like a natural reaction considering this season. But who replaces him?? Fire Dave Cameron and get someone else in with new ideas. I think GG will stay around after everything is said and done, he needs help with coaching and a couple extra players that know you have to put the puck in the net! Here's looking at you Bennett................
Chucky
Calgary Flames
Location: DUNCAN, BC
Joined: 06.14.2016

Apr 14 @ 7:05 PM ET
Gulutzan has shown no ability to adjust to the game that is being played on the ice in front of him, he also does not understand that when an experiment fails it is time to change, TJ Brodie is the biggest example. He does not know how to shorten his bench when down a goal, does not understand that a timeout can slow the opponents momentum and cannot motivate a team to get a strong start in an important game. Add to that the fact that he thinks Brouwer is a power play specialist and also can play two minutes straight killing a penalty without getting tired.
Beside the teams ability to take a large number of shots at (not on) the net what possible reason could there be for believing that a anyone other than Cameron would be a worse choice to coach the Flames?
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: Sayulita
Joined: 09.02.2014

Apr 14 @ 8:19 PM ET
I think Gully stays. His systems have us consistently outchancing the opposition and there's nothing he can do about the players not being able to convert. The team being fragile I don't think is his fault. The team coming out flat some games might be but I think he can try to correct that next season if he's given another year.

If we fire Gully, it better be because a clear upgrade is going to come in and take his place, and right now I don't think that clear upgrade is out there. Fire Dave Cameron and bring in a new PP guy, but Gully should stay unless we can get a clear upgrade.

- Helios

This to me makes no sense what so ever. This should be reason enough, if its not his job, who's is it? Give him another year? Do you honestly think things will change? Are you willing to chance that? Gully's not the right guy for this team, he's proven that already.
His system may look good on paper but watch the game. Just putting pucks on net doesn't make you a good hockey team. You don't go from having one of the best attacking blue lines to a middle of the road back end. Thats all about system. I for one don't want to watch him fumble through another year, trying to figure things out.
Theres going to be some tough decisions in the next while weather its players, coaches or management. Thats about all the news we have to look forward to.
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Apr 14 @ 10:40 PM ET
His system may look good on paper but watch the game. Just putting pucks on net doesn't make you a good hockey team. You don't go from having one of the best attacking blue lines to a middle of the road back end. Thats all about system.
- K-man25


What are you even talking about? The Flames generated a ton of chances from their blue line. No defenceman scored more goals this year than Hamilton and Giordano scored the 3rd most goals he ever has. Hamilton also had the second most shots for a defenceman. All the defencemen would also have significantly more points if the forwards would ever score after they defence got them the puck. They're also way more responsible than they ever were under Hartley. The one really good year they had was also propped up by Wideman having a career year.

They're not going to get more out of their defencemen unless they go back to a who cares about their own end kind of system.

Gully's not the right guy for this team, he's proven that already.

- K-man25


Paul Maurice spent four years proving he wasn't the right guy for the Jets, and things are going pretty well for them now.
Helios
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 08.11.2016

Apr 15 @ 12:01 AM ET
This to me makes no sense what so ever. This should be reason enough, if its not his job, who's is it? Give him another year? Do you honestly think things will change? Are you willing to chance that? Gully's not the right guy for this team, he's proven that already.
His system may look good on paper but watch the game. Just putting pucks on net doesn't make you a good hockey team. You don't go from having one of the best attacking blue lines to a middle of the road back end. Thats all about system. I for one don't want to watch him fumble through another year, trying to figure things out.
Theres going to be some tough decisions in the next while weather its players, coaches or management. Thats about all the news we have to look forward to.

- K-man25


Who's job is it to convert on the ice? I don't know, maybe the players? Gully's not the guy lacing up the skates and shooting the puck no matter how much you might want to think he is. I have no clue what team you've been watching all year, but it wasn't the Flames. The Flames were really good at generating high danger scoring chances this year. In fact, there were only two teams that had a higher xGF in the entire League. Gully's system allows for those high danger chances to be generated, but there's nothing he can do if his players don't know how to score.

Also no idea where you're getting this idea that we suddenly don't have an attack from the blue line. As Hunk said, Hamilton finished the season tied for 1st in the League for goals by a defenseman. Both Gio and Brodie had more than 30 pts. And all of the defenseman would have way more points if our forwards knew how to score. The difference is now the blue line is more defensively responsible than it ever was playing a Hartley system.

Gully's systems are more than just good on paper. They are legitimately good. There's numbers that prove it, unless your trying to imply that stats are all just "on paper". But there's only so much he can do. He's not the one who's supposed to be scoring the goals. That's on the players, not the coach.
cpltanto
Calgary Flames
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 07.05.2013

Apr 15 @ 1:16 AM ET
I whined and complain about Gully all season but have too agree with the guys here about jot firing him unless there is a clear upgrade.
If it's just a hope to try a different guy for the sake of it, then we're starting to get into the coach revolving door where the players lose accountability and the their jobs/careers are always safe while the coaches are expendable.
How many coaches in the NHL get a bad rap about player usage and overpaying veterans? Almost all do! We said that about Hartley too and we'll be saying that about the next coach too.

Winnipeg was calling for Maurice's head... That tends to happen when your team misses the playoffs. The same is being said about Alain Vigneault and Todd McLellan....are they actually bad coaches or are they facing more scrutiny because of the position of their teams.. Progression of some players for the jets, they're in the playoffs and all is forgotten regarding Maurice. Boucher looked like a genius leading the Sens deep and now he's being painted as jot the right fit.
I don't want to become the Oilers with a new coach every other year when the problem is mostly on the players or the make-up of the team. We had a bunch of players under achieve this year, Monahan was playing injured, the growth of our forward depth was not as good as we hoped, Hamonic, Brodie and Stone didn't live up to the expectations to make our blue one of the strongest as some expected.

Clyde334
Calgary Flames
Location: OG loves Nenshi!! Nenshi sucks!!, AB
Joined: 06.19.2016

Apr 15 @ 12:27 PM ET
I whined and complain about Gully all season but have too agree with the guys here about jot firing him unless there is a clear upgrade.
If it's just a hope to try a different guy for the sake of it, then we're starting to get into the coach revolving door where the players lose accountability and the their jobs/careers are always safe while the coaches are expendable.
How many coaches in the NHL get a bad rap about player usage and overpaying veterans? Almost all do! We said that about Hartley too and we'll be saying that about the next coach too.

Winnipeg was calling for Maurice's head... That tends to happen when your team misses the playoffs. The same is being said about Alain Vigneault and Todd McLellan....are they actually bad coaches or are they facing more scrutiny because of the position of their teams.. Progression of some players for the jets, they're in the playoffs and all is forgotten regarding Maurice. Boucher looked like a genius leading the Sens deep and now he's being painted as jot the right fit.
I don't want to become the Oilers with a new coach every other year when the problem is mostly on the players or the make-up of the team. We had a bunch of players under achieve this year, Monahan was playing injured, the growth of our forward depth was not as good as we hoped, Hamonic, Brodie and Stone didn't live up to the expectations to make our blue one of the strongest as some expected.

- cpltanto

I agree with most of that. I think the reason for Hamonic’s sub par year was Brodie!
Kevin R
Calgary Flames
Location: E5 = It aint gonna happen.
Joined: 02.10.2010

Apr 15 @ 1:01 PM ET
I agree with most of that. I think the reason for Hamonic’s sub par year was Brodie!
- Clyde334

Yeah it's funny how things work. In Toronto, Andersson was playing all world in net for the Leafs& it hid the huge need for Toronto to address their blue line. We sure know how that goes. But now these playoff games are really showing the Leafs they have to upgrade that backend. Suddenly, Leafs & Flames make pretty good trade partners this summer. I still think Brodie may be moved to the Leafs.

Watching these playoffs, we really need to get bigger with guys that can play. I'm still ticked about how that went down with Lucic on Smith. We get a guy like Reaves & I think Lucic thinks twice about taking liberties knowing what he'll face on his next shift.
Tom Wilson or Reaves would be targets I'd like to see Tre try to go after. Could care less about corsi during the regular season.
Ol_Boy_Wop
Calgary Flames
Joined: 08.24.2011

Apr 15 @ 2:50 PM ET
Yeah it's funny how things work. In Toronto, Andersson was playing all world in net for the Leafs& it hid the huge need for Toronto to address their blue line. We sure know how that goes. But now these playoff games are really showing the Leafs they have to upgrade that backend. Suddenly, Leafs & Flames make pretty good trade partners this summer. I still think Brodie may be moved to the Leafs.

Watching these playoffs, we really need to get bigger with guys that can play. I'm still ticked about how that went down with Lucic on Smith. We get a guy like Reaves & I think Lucic thinks twice about taking liberties knowing what he'll face on his next shift.
Tom Wilson or Reaves would be targets I'd like to see Tre try to go after. Could care less about corsi during the regular season.

- Kevin R

I’d love to have the Flames built like the Jets are. That team is entertaining as (frank).

They’re fast, they hit, they have skill, and can defend. They’re absolutely dominating the Wild.
Helios
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 08.11.2016

Apr 15 @ 3:46 PM ET
Yeah it's funny how things work. In Toronto, Andersson was playing all world in net for the Leafs& it hid the huge need for Toronto to address their blue line. We sure know how that goes. But now these playoff games are really showing the Leafs they have to upgrade that backend. Suddenly, Leafs & Flames make pretty good trade partners this summer. I still think Brodie may be moved to the Leafs.

Watching these playoffs, we really need to get bigger with guys that can play. I'm still ticked about how that went down with Lucic on Smith. We get a guy like Reaves & I think Lucic thinks twice about taking liberties knowing what he'll face on his next shift.
Tom Wilson or Reaves would be targets I'd like to see Tre try to go after. Could care less about corsi during the regular season.

- Kevin R


Yeah the Leafs make a lot of sense as a trade partner for us. They need D, we got D. We need forwards, they got forwards. The question is, what do we get for Brodie if we send him to Toronto? Ideally it would be Marner or Nylander, but I don't think Brodie alone gets us either. A lot of people seem pretty high on Kapanen, but I don't know a lot about the guy and I'd be pretty hesitant giving up Brodie for a guy who we don't really know what he is.
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Apr 15 @ 5:03 PM ET
Bill Peters out of Carolina is free to talk to teams. He was seriously considered for the HC position a couple years ago. He's generating a lot of attention again.

What is it about this guy that everyone wants?
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Apr 16 @ 12:01 AM ET
Bill Peters out of Carolina is free to talk to teams. He was seriously considered for the HC position a couple years ago. He's generating a lot of attention again.

What is it about this guy that everyone wants?

- LittleBroDougie


Peters and Gulutzan have pretty much the same things going for them. They both used a system this year that gave them great possession numbers that should have yielded more wins than they did.
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burger King
Joined: 09.24.2010

Apr 16 @ 12:07 AM ET
And if they do fire him, who would you like to see and why ?
- tincup



Joel Otto, Mike Keenan, Robbie Ftorek, Jim Playfair or Dallas Eakins.
Trevor_Neufeld
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 02.11.2007

Apr 16 @ 3:28 AM ET
Joel Otto, Mike Keenan, Robbie Ftorek, Jim Playfair or Dallas Eakins.
- Byfuglien Ate Me




Mike Keenan. I hope you arent serious.
The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Apr 16 @ 11:15 AM ET
-If you say you want GG fired you need to come with more than "anyone is better". Either you're lazy, or you don't know anything. Also, please stop saying that the Flames just took at bunch of weak shots towards the net because that is 100% not true. They were 3rd in the league in high danger chances.

-The Flames have had 1 good year and one bad year under GG. One thing is for certain, he gets the most out of his star players.

-We already had the "hard ass" coach with Hartley, and everyone wanted him gone too. Do we really want to go back there?

-This team had 2 problems this year. Depth and injuries. This team went straight downhill once Monahan, Tkachuk, and Smith were pooched. I can't really say I am surprised. Once they went down not a single player from the bottom 6 stepped up. It really just goes to show how top heavy this team was.

-GG's player usage was questionable at times there's no doubt, but I really think he was limited with the players we had this year.

-I wouldn't be crushed if the fired him, but I just think there's something to be said for continuity. Our best players perform well under him, they just need a better supporting cast.

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-They need 2 new RW's and Frolik should be on the 4th line. These RW's need to be hard to play against and good skaters.

- 4LW and 4C are up for grabs in my opinion.

- Out with Kulak, Stone, and potentially Brodie if someone has a good offer. Bring in Fat Rass.

- I would look at Hamhuis, De Haan, and Ian Cole in free agency. Might be nice to get someone on the bank end with a bit of a mean streak.


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