Please. It’s not like he was already in the air or something. The guy had tons of time to adjust and didnt. They turn and adjust on a dime in a fraction of a second all the time.
- Iggysbff

So since they can all adjust on a dime, the "no time to react" argument can't be used for anyone anymore? Or is it just Kadri?

Have you ever argued that a guy turned his back at the last second before getting hit into the boards? Ever? I'm pretty sure just about everyone has. By your logic that doesn't matter because everyone is able to adjust in a fraction of a second.

First time poster long time reader, here’s my take on the Kadri hit. Blatant charge, left his feet and targeted the head of a defenseless player who was on his knees along side the boards. That play is a hit with intent to injure no two ways about it. I get it’s the playoffs, original six rivalry and trying to respond to the Marner hit that just occurred, but there is no room in the game for that type of action. Me personally would like a 10 game suspension, realistically I see the NHL giving out 3-5 games.
- Proud27

You know about the leagues 2:1 ratio in the playoffs, right? Would you give him 20 games for that in the regular season? Could you honestly see the league giving him 10, or even 6 for that in the regular season? There's almost zero chance he gets more than 2.

You're going to take that stance with some of your team's past history? C'mon man. The guy is a poop head. We know. He also had nothing to do with the hit.
- glove_was_stuck

Your player left the ice, went into the stands, tore a shoe off of a fan and proceeded to beat said fan with it.

So don't be coming in here and talking about past history, because your team has the most disgusting example of player behavior in the history of the game.

























Just kidding, it was franking awesome.

Please. It’s not like he was already in the air or something. The guy had tons of time to adjust and didnt. They turn and adjust on a dime in a fraction of a second all the time.
- Iggysbff

When they are planning in advance to turn and adjust sure. It's not magic, they still need to see the change in the environment, process that the change will need them to adjust their momentum and then actually adjust their momentum (while traveling 30 plus km/hr).

The real question is, would Crosby be suspended if that was him on either of those? The answer would be no.

Please. It’s not like he was already in the air or something. The guy had tons of time to adjust and didnt. They turn and adjust on a dime in a fraction of a second all the time.
- Iggysbff

This is exactly it. They literally react in split seconds all game long. That's their job. Look at some of the plays guys pull off while adjusting in a blink of an eye. It's comical that people use this excuse. He charges, leaves his feet, hits him in the most vulnerable position imaginable and has a disciplinary history. He even admits in an interview it was retaliation. There should only be a debate on how long a suspension not whether he should or shouldn't be suspended. Marchand has nothing to do with this. Even the Wingles play has nothing to do with this. It was dirty...some of these Leaf fans need to accept that and move on

Wow, your glasses sure are colored blue and white, are they?

I count a minimum of 3 seconds between when Kadri decided to take his run at Wingels, and at least a full second to when you say Wingels was reaching/leaning for the puck and Kadri hitting him. Kadri took a healthy run at the guy, with full intent, period. Babcock didn't throw Kadri under the bus after the game, but he also did not make excuses for the guy either.

Kadri is also a douche, and really came unglued in game 1. Sticking his knee out on Nash, crosschecking Wingels in the face earlier that period...douche. To be fair, Marchand walks that same line.
- plyrs99

I agree with everything except this fantom crosscheck earlier in the period.

He body checked him and received an unwarranted penalty I believe...is that the crosscheck to the face you speak of?

This is exactly it. They literally react in split seconds all game long. That's their job. Look at some of the plays guys pull off while adjusting in a blink of an eye. It's comical that people use this excuse. He charges, leaves his feet, hits him in the most vulnerable position imaginable and has a disciplinary history. He even admits in an interview it was retaliation. There should only be a debate on how long a suspension not whether he should or shouldn't be suspended. Marchand has nothing to do with this. Even the Wingles play has nothing to do with this. It was dirty...some of these Leaf fans need to accept that and move on
- Takemedrunkimhome

It was dirty, he should get a game, maybe two. But the league has shown this season that suspension history isn't taken into account anymore, that's why Marchand is part of the argument.

Two things. The Wingles play happens every game.

The idea that Kadri didnt have a choice is BS.

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It was dirty, he should get a game, maybe two. But the league has shown this season that suspension history isn't taken into account anymore, that's why Marchand is part of the argument.
- Jeffmt

Except its a really S**** argument because Marchand has nothing to do with the play.

We can bring Patrick Kaleta into this if you would like, he has about as much relevance here as Marchand.

Doughty....he raised his shoulder to ensure contact with the head. he could have maintained his posture and it would have been a clean check to the shoulder/chest.

Kadri hit a player who was off balance and (out of Kadri's control) loosing his footing. The impact with the boards were as much to do with severity.

Except its a really S**** argument because Marchand has nothing to do with the play.

We can bring Patrick Kaleta into this if you would like, he has about as much relevance here as Marchand.
- ImThatGuy

You're right, he had nothing to do with the play. I'm not talking about the play, I'm talking about the potential suspension and the precedent the league has set this year. Surely you understand how Marchand factors into that, right?

It was dirty, he should get a game, maybe two. But the league has shown this season that suspension history isn't taken into account anymore, that's why Marchand is part of the argument.
- Jeffmt

But again....Marchand isn't involved in this. All people are doing to justify this is saying "if Marchand did this he wouldn't get suspended" and that's just conjecture and a strawman argument. Nobody knows exactly what would happen to Marchand unless he did exactly this. Trying to justify it based on Marchand's history makes no sense - he wasn't involved.

Kadri did something reckless and deserves to be disciplined for it. And this comes from an equal opportunity sports hater who dislikes the Bruins and Leafs equally and likely dislikes Marchand more than most players in the league. I'd still want him on my team any day of the week

Doughty....he raised his shoulder to ensure contact with the head. he could have maintained his posture and it would have been a clean check to the shoulder/chest.

Kadri hit a player who was off balance and (out of Kadri's control) loosing his footing. The impact with the boards were as much to do with severity.
- wbon22

I think you need to watch the play again.

Kadri's hit was much worse. His was a cheap shot. He had time to stop. His seemed unessasary

Doughty and Andersson's hit were hockey plays. Those hits occur, and 99.9% of time its just an accident of bad timing. HD slow motion/replays makes us think it is a new "thing" , but it has always happened. Its happening a little bit more now b/c the speed of the game has increased. For the most part, when these head shots or checks from behind occur, its simply b/c the "hitter" can't react fast enough when the other person changes his direction or ducks down.

Besides a few idiots in the league, there is no less respect for the other players today than there was in the past.

But again....Marchand isn't involved in this. All people are doing to justify this is saying "if Marchand did this he wouldn't get suspended" and that's just conjecture and a strawman argument. Nobody knows exactly what would happen to Marchand unless he did exactly this. Trying to justify it based on Marchand's history makes no sense - he wasn't involved.

Kadri did something reckless and deserves to be disciplined for it. And this comes from an equal opportunity sports hater who dislikes the Bruins and Leafs equally and likely dislikes Marchand more than most players in the league. I'd still want him on my team any day of the week
- Takemedrunkimhome

No, what I'm saying is that the last time Marchand was suspended his suspension history wasn't taken into account. We can probably all agree on that, right? So why should Kadri's? I know Marchand had nothing to do with this particular play, that's obvious. Kadri will likely get a game, maybe two, but this argument that he's been suspended before so he should get 5+ is ridiculous and doesn't reflect the reality of how the league has been handling suspensions.

Doughty should not be suspended. Carrier is an inexperienced player who lowered his head at the wrong time reaching for the puck. Shouldn’t have even been a penalty. You can’t suspend arguably the best player on either team because a young player put himself in a vulnerable position.

Kadri was an idiot and deserves a 2-3 suspension but people are letting Wingels off the hook. He elbowed Marner in the head while #16 was engaged with Chara. A dirty play that was fortunate not to have concussed Mitch. After the elbow, Wingels saw Kadri coming and accidentally on purpose, fell to his knees in what I guess was an attempt to make Kadri back off. He didn’t.
Moral of the story? Stay down, Mitch.

No, what I'm saying is that the last time Marchand was suspended his suspension history wasn't taken into account. We can probably all agree on that, right? So why should Kadri's? I know Marchand had nothing to do with this particular play, that's obvious. Kadri will likely get a game, maybe two, but this argument that he's been suspended before so he should get 5+ is ridiculous and doesn't reflect the reality of how the league has been handling suspensions.
- Jeffmt

DOPs openly states they take history into account. So no we can't agree on that.

I have no idea how many games he gets but facta do matter in the discussion.

DOPs openly states they take history into account. So no we can't agree on that.

I have no idea how many games he gets but facta do matter in the discussion.
- Takemedrunkimhome

They can say whatever they want, but do you think that Marchand, given his history of suspensions and fines, deserved only 5 games for elbowing Johansson? Go watch that video again. I'd really like to know your opinion on that and whether they factored in his history. That's the only reason he's part of the conversation.

By the way, because of the leagues playoff ratio rule, that Marchand elbow would only have gotten him 2-3 games in the playoffs and it was WAY worse than what Kadri did. Naz gets 2 games max.

Kadri already got the 5 and a game, nothing more is warranted, play on.
- vermie22

get out of lala land... its 2 games, at least it should be

get out of lala land... its 2 games, at least it should be
- Xizord

My guess is 1 game, but hey, it's the NHL.

It could be for the length of the playoffs.

It could be an official apology from the NHL for tarnishing Kadri's reputation.

Your guess is as good bad as mine.

They can say whatever they want, but do you think that Marchand, given his history of suspensions and fines, deserved only 5 games for elbowing Johansson? Go watch that video again. I'd really like to know your opinion on that and whether they factored in his history. That's the only reason he's part of the conversation.

By the way, because of the leagues playoff ratio rule, that Marchand elbow would only have gotten him 2-3 games in the playoffs and it was WAY worse than what Kadri did. Naz gets 2 games max.
- Jeffmt

DOPs is inconsistent in my opinion but yes I do think his history was taken into account.

The ratio rule isn't real - at least not officially. In my opinion he gets 1 game min and 3 games max based on how I perceive the system to work but if he got more I also wouldn't be surprised

I think you need to watch the play again.
- ImThatGuy

I think you need to watch it again.

Your Toronto hate is showing.

Kadri also had a dangerous cross check on Wingels back behind the net about 4 minutes before the one that got him kicked out of the game.

They were both bad hits - and certainly the second should be suspendable. To my eyes he had time to let up, if not stop, when Wingels was on the ice.
- StLBravesFan

And a deliberate knee-on-knee. He went full goon-mode last night