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BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

Apr 15 @ 8:45 AM ET
Pastrnak > Kane

Not even close

Back to Waffle House where you work 0

- Goalie-33

You are dilusional and an A$$hole. Stay on your medication schedule. Justin you should ban this Troll seriously... BTW don't work for waffle house.. I still serve this country....
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Apr 15 @ 9:40 AM ET
its called championship life cycle: teams that have multiple players that are generational talents and HOFers; who then click off multiple championships seasons don't have that type of talent waiting to replace them to just keep rolling along

ask the 76-79 habs, ask the 80-83 isles, ask 84-88 oilers, ask the 91-92 pens, ask the 2008-09 pens and wing

and now its time to ask to 2013-15 hawks; soon it will be time to ask the 20016-18 pens

its not about missed trades or draft choices; its the reality of sports cycle...

- bogiedoc


I totally agree with the concept you put forward I agree with and accept that any team in any sport has a limited shelf life. It is the major reason they don’t keep winning like the energizer bunny

I accept that a) the physical and mental decline of a team’s players and b) the concurrent rise in your opponents’ roster are the major contributing factors in this cycle.

Having said that, it is the manager’s and general manager’s role not only to build the team in the first place and maintain it through its excellence, but to do whatever they can to extend that shelf life or possibly build for a transition to a new cycle.

They only way this can be done perfectly is from the view of the historical perspective. What’s happening in the perfect world is in imperfect process. Every coach and gm has fails: it happens in every business but seems to get magnified in sports. No one cares what most American corporations do to succeed or fail .. unless you are a share or stockholder. No one is going to track the maneuvering and career moves of 2,000 employees in a company they don’t know anything about. But we try becoming intimately familiar with 20 to 50 players that make up our favorite teams. We demand to know about private and personal information about these players’ health, information we really have no right to know

We criticize financial decisions as overpayment and call the players greedy or selfish because they demanded and accepted too much money. Do I think the hawks over pay and over extend too often? I sure do! But I can guarantee no one on this board — and I include myself — would turn down an extra million or two in their annual salary if given a chance. I will never criticize the player for asking for and taking it. But the gm should be criticized for not possibly negotiating better, even when it might be the best they could do.

Could Q and Bowman do a better job? Yes, I believe they could have. And I hope to hell they do it better over the next year Go hawks!!
Goalie-33
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.01.2017

Apr 15 @ 11:02 AM ET
You are dilusional and an A$$hole. Stay on your medication schedule. Justin you should ban this Troll seriously... BTW don't work for waffle house.. I still serve this country....
- BGKarras



Can't handle the truth?

Cry Much?

Learn the game

99% have 00000 clue

Funny reads though

Don't be late for work

Panarin CARRIED Kane
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

Apr 15 @ 11:14 AM ET
Can't handle the truth?

Cry Much?

Learn the game

99% have 00000 clue

Funny reads though

Don't be late for work

Panarin CARRIED Kane

- Goalie-33

It's evident that you have no clue and are in denial about Kane. You constantly cry about him did he break your heart and make you cry like a B!tch. Either add to the conversation with some knowledgeable information unlike the Bovine Scatology that you typically provide. If not Do us all a favor and crawl back into your Troll cave and shut the phuck up.
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Apr 15 @ 11:17 AM ET
http://www.thehockeynews....-of-the-league-s-31-teams

I agree that we should not be frustrated and should be very grateful for what we've experienced (and we are when we take a step back), but having overblown expectations leads to more frustration than is rational when we fail to achieve the ultimate. I'd rank us much higher on this list.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 15 @ 11:22 AM ET
Would rather see that come from the Peg
- RaleighHawk

They've done well enough, congratulations. Good management from GM to coach. Want to see best team win, and vs Nashville that is not Pred's

You do know that if Pred's win Cup, it makes them just a little bit more conscious of their future in this way: more to structure roster for continued success and less to be absolutely as strong as possible for the following season. One Cup is setting the bar low considering the age of many of their players. Nonetheless one Cup is an achievement to crow about.

The Pred's know expansion is just around the corner. But right now there is difficulty Seattle would be as successful as Vegas continues to show. I question if Seattle can pinpoint as many players whom could have breskout years among all other components of the roster they will assemble.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 15 @ 11:27 AM ET
I totally agree with the concept you put forward I agree with and accept that any team in any sport has a limited shelf life. It is the major reason they don’t keep winning like the energizer bunny

I accept that a) the physical and mental decline of a team’s players and b) the concurrent rise in your opponents’ roster are the major contributing factors in this cycle.

Having said that, it is the manager’s and general manager’s role not only to build the team in the first place and maintain it through its excellence, but to do whatever they can to extend that shelf life or possibly build for a transition to a new cycle.

They only way this can be done perfectly is from the view of the historical perspective. What’s happening in the perfect world is in imperfect process. Every coach and gm has fails: it happens in every business but seems to get magnified in sports. No one cares what most American corporations do to succeed or fail .. unless you are a share or stockholder. No one is going to track the maneuvering and career moves of 2,000 employees in a company they don’t know anything about. But we try becoming intimately familiar with 20 to 50 players that make up our favorite teams. We demand to know about private and personal information about these players’ health, information we really have no right to know

We criticize financial decisions as overpayment and call the players greedy or selfish because they demanded and accepted too much money. Do I think the hawks over pay and over extend too often? I sure do! But I can guarantee no one on this board — and I include myself — would turn down an extra million or two in their annual salary if given a chance. I will never criticize the player for asking for and taking it. But the gm should be criticized for not possibly negotiating better, even when it might be the best they could do.

Could Q and Bowman do a better job? Yes, I believe they could have. And I hope to hell they do it better over the next year Go hawks!!

- Spec41971


Excellent post all material. This shouldn't be difficult for everyone to review and then concur.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 15 @ 11:28 AM ET
http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/nhl-fan-misery-index-a-frustration-ranking-of-the-league-s-31-teams

I agree that we should not be frustrated and should be very grateful for what we've experienced (and we are when we take a step back), but having overblown expectations leads to more frustration than is rational when we fail to achieve the ultimate. I'd rank us much higher on this list.

- pdx2ord


Well we were #1 on that list 9 years ago. 20's is fair. The teams that just won't spend up to the cap should be all on top of the list as a fan nothing frustrated me more.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 15 @ 11:29 AM ET
http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/nhl-fan-misery-index-a-frustration-ranking-of-the-league-s-31-teams

I agree that we should not be frustrated and should be very grateful for what we've experienced (and we are when we take a step back), but having overblown expectations leads to more frustration than is rational when we fail to achieve the ultimate. I'd rank us much higher on this list.

- pdx2ord


How to appraise.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 15 @ 11:34 AM ET
They've done well enough, congratulations. Good management from GM to coach. Want to see best team win, and vs Nashville that is not Pred's

You do know that if Pred's win Cup, it makes them just a little bit more conscious of their future in this way: more to structure roster for continued success and less to be absolutely as strong as possible for the following season. One Cup is setting the bar low considering the age of many of their players. Nonetheless one Cup is an achievement to crow about.

The Pred's know expansion is just around the corner. But right now there is difficulty Seattle would be as successful as Vegas continues to show. I question if Seattle can pinpoint as many players whom could have breskout years among all other components of the roster they will assemble.

- jhawk59


If i were a Peds fan i would be pissed, they had room under the cap to improve their team even more to win a Stanley Cup, but all this GM does is try to make sure this Preds team will compete for the playoffs every year. I hope Peg beats the Preds because they went out and made a move for Stasny which I'm not a big fan of, and leads them to the finals
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Apr 15 @ 12:33 PM ET
If i were a Peds fan i would be pissed, they had room under the cap to improve their team even more to win a Stanley Cup, but all this GM does is try to make sure this Preds team will compete for the playoffs every year. I hope Peg beats the Preds because they went out and made a move for Stasny which I'm not a big fan of, and leads them to the finals
- BetweenTheDots

Some times it is just better to keep a room together ,and go with what's got there .They did get Fisher back did they not ..
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Apr 15 @ 12:40 PM ET
If i were a Peds fan i would be pissed, they had room under the cap to improve their team even more to win a Stanley Cup, but all this GM does is try to make sure this Preds team will compete for the playoffs every year. I hope Peg beats the Preds because they went out and made a move for Stasny which I'm not a big fan of, and leads them to the finals
- BetweenTheDots


Excellent point. Just trying to make the playoffs ( and thus playoff money) might be their “one goal”. I know I would me mad not trying to go all-in to win the cup. No matter how good you are, you can always get better.

I feel a little sympathy for the Nashville fans who are into the blogs. Their current post has need up about 26 hours and has 6 replies.

I get frustrated with any ownership group that doesn’t go all-In to win. I get that they own the team and can do what they want, but there has to be some accountability to the fan base to help them witness a winner.

I have a vision that the beats McCaskey sits in his den every winter evaluating whether to make the bears better or buy some fancier tapestries tank hang on the walls nod his mansion. Thought process must be: middle linebacker?....tapestry?.......wide receiver.?.....tapestry?.....defensive back?......decision: tapestry! No wonder they have been such a junk organization for so long!
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Apr 15 @ 12:42 PM ET
Best way to unite this room . is to surprise Get rid of Coach Q . Let the players unite behind A new coach with fresh ideas ,also end the disconnect between the coach and the front office . Stan does not work alone ,and the front office is making decisions for now and down the road . Q seems to be stuck in the past .And I don't believe Q Will be hired immediately or ever regain the success he had here . FQN
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 15 @ 1:23 PM ET
Some times it is just better to keep a room together ,and go with what's got there .They did get Fisher back did they not ..
- oldduffman

If you do a thorough review then you would see there was not a beed for any moves. That is for two very good reasons:

1) they have hungry young players in the lineup who have paid their dues at Milwaukee AHL. A team needs young, hungry players in bottom line roles. Not each player, but more of them than veteran, is a good recipe for strong play and sustained effort from them
2). The opportunity cost is not worth making a significant trade. The team as constructed should be able to win The Cup. With an eye to the future, you never want to surrender early draft picks or your own prospects for bottom line player(s). Are those you trade for marginally better players? Predss have some big players and descent bottom line players. Stick with them

I am not against adding a good player, even a botyom line player if a fair trade can be consumated. The Jets saw an opportunity for the Blues to move a salary. They snagged Statsny. He is a good fit now, maybe another year as well. The Jets have several up and coming talent which msy force Stastny or someone elsr to be moved. Not so much the case in Nashville. In fact, the Pred's have a 2017 draft who looks to be able to contribute now and certainly next season. His skill level is on par with Statsny. So Nashville did not need to give away an asset to obtain Statsny. I see lots of talented kids in the farm system for the Jets but none as advanced or as talented as Tolvanen is for the Pred's
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Apr 15 @ 2:09 PM ET
Excellent point. Just trying to make the playoffs ( and thus playoff money) might be their “one goal”. I know I would me mad not trying to go all-in to win the cup. No matter how good you are, you can always get better.

I feel a little sympathy for the Nashville fans who are into the blogs. Their current post has need up about 26 hours and has 6 replies.

I get frustrated with any ownership group that doesn’t go all-In to win. I get that they own the team and can do what they want, but there has to be some accountability to the fan base to help them witness a winner.

I have a vision that the beats McCaskey sits in his den every winter evaluating whether to make the bears better or buy some fancier tapestries tank hang on the walls nod his mansion. Thought process must be: middle linebacker?....tapestry?.......wide receiver.?.....tapestry?.....defensive back?......decision: tapestry! No wonder they have been such a junk organization for so long!

- Spec41971


Gotta disagree. The thought that the McCaskey’s aren’t all in to wn or don’t spend money is an old narrative that’s really not true anymore.

Now if you were saying “They don’t know how to go all in” or “They constantly spend money but identify the wrong guys”...that rings more true.

The reason they’ve been in the terlet for so long is an inability to identify talent and assemble a lot of it on a team.

I’m cautiously optimistic that they’ve chosen their path and have put pieces together to be successful. They still need more talent on both sides of the ball but if Mitch is the right guy they’ve identified the biggest piece and possibly put him with a coach who can help guide him.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Apr 15 @ 2:16 PM ET
Some times it is just better to keep a room together ,and go with what's got there .They did get Fisher back did they not ..
- oldduffman


Yes, it is. As a fan my frustration grows when the owners hold on to the team for vanity’s and are unwilling or unable to operate it to win. If the person owned a restaurant or other type of retail outlet, it would fail as a natural consequence of event.

Sports teams: we yearn for them in our cities, don’t blink twice about the local government throwing hundreds of millions at them so they can build a stadium or arena to compete in, and then we accept mediocrity in performance. I believe when you purchase a team you have some civic obligation to make them as successful as possible.

I too grow tired sometimes of the negativity on this board. But I applaud those posters who feel strong enough to voice their opinion — positive or negative — and apparently give more of a s**t about the team then the owners.
Spec41971
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Rolling meadows, IL
Joined: 03.04.2017

Apr 15 @ 2:20 PM ET
Gotta disagree. The thought that the McCaskey’s aren’t all in to wn or don’t spend money is an old narrative that’s really not true anymore.

Now if you were saying “They don’t know how to go all in” or “They constantly spend money but identify the wrong guys”...that rings more true.

The reason they’ve been in the terlet for so long is an inability to identify talent and assemble a lot of it on a team.

I’m cautiously optimistic that they’ve chosen their path and have put pieces together to be successful. They still need more talent on both sides of the ball but if Mitch is the right guy they’ve identified the biggest piece and possibly put him with a coach who can help guide him.

- HawkintheD


And I would argue their inability to recognize talent is because they went cheap on management talent,,,,they are getting what they paid for.

That their grandpa was a key figure in the formation of the nfl does nothing my to ensure they have it in them. My take on it is they don’t— got lucky once with ditka and that’s about it.
35Tony0
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Apr 15 @ 2:29 PM ET
And I would argue their inability to recognize talent is because they went cheap on management talent,,,,they are getting what they paid for.

That their grandpa was a key figure in the formation of the nfl does nothing my to ensure they have it in them. My take on it is they don’t— got lucky once with ditka and that’s about it.

- Spec41971

The beginning of the end there actually happened before they won the Super Bowl when they fired Jerry Vanisi.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 15 @ 3:00 PM ET
I totally agree with the concept you put forward I agree with and accept that any team in any sport has a limited shelf life. It is the major reason they don’t keep winning like the energizer bunny

I accept that a) the physical and mental decline of a team’s players and b) the concurrent rise in your opponents’ roster are the major contributing factors in this cycle.

Having said that, it is the manager’s and general manager’s role not only to build the team in the first place and maintain it through its excellence, but to do whatever they can to extend that shelf life or possibly build for a transition to a new cycle.

They only way this can be done perfectly is from the view of the historical perspective. What’s happening in the perfect world is in imperfect process. Every coach and gm has fails: it happens in every business but seems to get magnified in sports. No one cares what most American corporations do to succeed or fail .. unless you are a share or stockholder. No one is going to track the maneuvering and career moves of 2,000 employees in a company they don’t know anything about. But we try becoming intimately familiar with 20 to 50 players that make up our favorite teams. We demand to know about private and personal information about these players’ health, information we really have no right to know

We criticize financial decisions as overpayment and call the players greedy or selfish because they demanded and accepted too much money. Do I think the hawks over pay and over extend too often? I sure do! But I can guarantee no one on this board — and I include myself — would turn down an extra million or two in their annual salary if given a chance. I will never criticize the player for asking for and taking it. But the gm should be criticized for not possibly negotiating better, even when it might be the best they could do.

Could Q and Bowman do a better job? Yes, I believe they could have. And I hope to hell they do it better over the next year Go hawks!!

- Spec41971


Good post. I'm just going to add to what you and bogiedoc commented.

The NHL wants this. With the cap and the draft and everything there is to it, they want team to rise and fall more and have that parity. I think the leagues wants the cycle to move more quickly so that teams don't lose all their fans wallowing in failure for too long.

Sometimes teams will get lucky and prolong their time on top, but with the cap it is only a matter of time until you come back to the pack. The Hawks have been drafting and trading from a position of weakness for a long time now because of their situation. They could have done better, but they could have done a lot worse.

In my opinion the big failure is if you fail to bounce back after a down year or three.

Carolina 9 years without playoff hockey.
Buffalo 7 years
Arizona 6 years

Vancouver is at that point where they need to start turning it around as they haven't been competitive for a while and 3 years they've missed the post-season.

You've got teams like

Detroit, Dallas, Florida, New York Islanders all with back to back playoff misses and pressure will be on them to make it next year. On top of these regular season failures, you can look at teams that have been useless in the post-season on top.

It is now 21 years since the Florida Panthers won a series.
Winnepeg/Atlanta - 17 years - Have never won a series.
Columbus - 16 years - Have never won a series.
Toronto - 12 years
Buffalo - 11 years
Colorado - 9 year

Even with the first round losses in 2016/17 the Hawks were still buyers and still trying to get to the top of the heap. We've just now had a year now where the focus has clearly shifted, but it takes time if you don't luck out. If we are talking about the Hawks missing the playoffs in 2020, then I'd say they failed to turn it around.
dahawks8819
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.29.2014

Apr 15 @ 3:36 PM ET
Can't handle the truth?

Cry Much?

Learn the game

99% have 00000 clue

Funny reads though

Don't be late for work

Panarin CARRIED Kane

- Goalie-33


That's right moron - it's everyone else that has no clue.

It's really pitiful that you stopped taking your meds.

It's true what they say - if you look around the room and can't find the idiot - it must be you!!!!!!!


HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Apr 15 @ 3:41 PM ET
And I would argue their inability to recognize talent is because they went cheap on management talent,,,,they are getting what they paid for.

That their grandpa was a key figure in the formation of the nfl does nothing my to ensure they have it in them. My take on it is they don’t— got lucky once with ditka and that’s about it.

- Spec41971


That's a different discussion and not your original point. You were talking about on the field talent. They've paid for that but again it's been about 50/50 or maybe 40/60 in identifying the right guys.

I don't disagree though that they've been almost completely inept at identifying people to run the team, from Prez, to GM to coach.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 15 @ 3:51 PM ET
Some times it is just better to keep a room together ,and go with what's got there .They did get Fisher back did they not ..
- oldduffman


Many complain here about the horrible trades Bowman made, sure, but at least he went all in every year they had a chance to win a cup. The whole keep a room together is a cop out especially when you know Johanssen is one good hit away from being out of the playoffs due to his condition
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 15 @ 4:05 PM ET
The beginning of the end there actually happened before they won the Super Bowl when they fired Jerry Vanisi.
- 35Tony0


I completely agree, unfortunately Halas passed away and non football people began running it.

I have to say i have hope once again, Mitch might actually be a good maybe great QB, and Pace might have a clue. If anything he had the nerve to draft what he thinks might be a franchise QB and for that i thank him. We'll see and if he is the next 10 years it'll be fun watching football again.

Not only that they hired a coach off the Holmgrem tree and he's an offensive coordinator so i really like the direction they are going.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Apr 15 @ 4:13 PM ET
Many complain here about the horrible trades Bowman made, sure, but at least he went all in every year they had a chance to win a cup. The whole keep a room together is a cop out especially when you know Johanssen is one good hit away from being out of the playoffs due to his condition
- BetweenTheDots


We could go back to the Pulford years (oh joy) when the Hawks were a move or two away but they were moves usually never made.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 15 @ 4:15 PM ET
Flyers defense reminds me of the 2018 Hawks

Penguins defense reminds me of 2013-16 Hawks

I wish we had Dumoulin, he's so good defensively
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