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z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Apr 13 @ 9:14 AM ET
Panarin with the GWG plus 2 assists in the Blue Jacket game 1 OT win.

In 12 playoff games, Panarin has 3 goals (including 2 GWG) plus 8 assists.

But I thought he doesn't play hard in the playoffs and only cares about hitting his regular season bonuses? Too bad when facts get in the way.

Just another stupid Bowman move.

- scottak



When it happened, I was totally fine bringing Saad back. Panarin was due for a contract soon and Saad was signed to a longer deal. Saad is a big/power forward type with good speed and hands. He left here with good stats (playoff performer) and played two very good years in Columbus.

Yes Saad came back and had a very down year. I write that off as Saad falling into the puddle of mud the rest of the team was swimming in. I never wanted to lose Saad. Im sure he will come back and have a good year next year.
-Doh-
Location: VA
Joined: 10.05.2015

Apr 13 @ 9:16 AM ET
The ONLY way you trade a talent like Panarin to Columbus is if Jones was coming back. It's quite simple, Artemi Panarin was involved in creating 82 goals in the Regular Season and 3 of the Jackets 4 goals tonight. Brandon Saad was involved in creating 36 goals for the Hawks who are at home. 82 is better than 36 by a lot more than "playoff experience" can compensate for. Last time I checked goals scored are important to win at the sport of ice hockey. Artemi Panarin creates goals at an Elite level and when his contract is up next summer the Hawks could've budgeted $8mil for him. Bowman is a clown and Kwolf is right on the dot. What about Stan Bowman's 4 year track record tells you he can make this team a contender again??
- EnzoD



Totally agree. Natural scorers/snipers are much harder to come by than power forwards. You just do not trade scorers/snipers. You pay them.

I do think Saad will rebound next year especially if they get a sniper/scorer to ply on Toews RW.

I also think Forsberg could turn out to be a pretty good to great NHL goalie in the long run.

Tyler Motte is a journey man.

So this was a bad trade, but it is not as bad as it looks right now. That is especially true if Panarin signs for $10mil after next year because the Hawks would not have been able to sign him anyway.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Apr 13 @ 9:28 AM ET
Hey at least Stan pulled Jarmo's 3rd string goalie in the trade
- EnzoD


I remember a certain someone complaining about Panarin being a non factor in the playoffs when he wore a Blackhawks Jersey?

I do recall the Blues and Preds pretty much shut him down when it came to goal scoring in the playoffs

And that goal last night was all on the goalie, we'll see how many more he gets in this series. I do know one thing if they lay the bodyon him he will disappear
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Apr 13 @ 9:33 AM ET
Just got home from Vegas. All year long I hear and read guys talking about doing things the right way. If you think the hawks are a sniff away from competing seriously for a cup then you're sniffing something illegal. The game I saw was incredible. I thought LA would come in and spoil the party. It's not that Vegas wins, it's how they win. From top to bottom they do it the right way. Fundamentals, effort. In the practice I saw every drill was about play in front of the net. Hide and spin information? The practices out there are open and all year there's a SRO crowd for all of them, even for the guys rehabbing injuries. If you love the game then you have to love what's going on in Vegas. They're not the most talented team, but they are the textbook example of how to do things the right way. With all respects to the guys in Colorado and New Jersey, if Gallant isn't the coach of the year it's a joke. The advanced stats guys who blew out Gallant and Tallon are the biggest dummies ever.
MjulQvist
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 04.22.2012

Apr 13 @ 9:33 AM ET
Panarin trade looks really bad.. for now. Toews and Kane contracts hurts and Seabrook´s was worst of them all. I believe we all agree. Now can we all move on?
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Apr 13 @ 9:38 AM ET
Totally agree. Natural scorers/snipers are much harder to come by than power forwards. You just do not trade scorers/snipers. You pay them.

I do think Saad will rebound next year especially if they get a sniper/scorer to ply on Toews RW.

I also think Forsberg could turn out to be a pretty good to great NHL goalie in the long run.

Tyler Motte is a journey man.

So this was a bad trade, but it is not as bad as it looks right now. That is especially true if Panarin signs for $10mil after next year because the Hawks would not have been able to sign him anyway.

- -Doh-


Ummm no.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Apr 13 @ 9:43 AM ET
Panarin trade looks really bad.. for now. Toews and Kane contracts hurts and Seabrook´s was worst of them all. I believe we all agree. Now can we all move on?
- MjulQvist


I would have given Patrick Kane 10.5 million dollars all day. Since he came in the league he has the 3rd most total points and 5th career highest PPG in the last 9 years.

Toews probably should have gotten closer to Getzlaf money but what are you gonna do. 3 Cups does count for something.

The Seabrook money isn't necessarily bad but the term certainly is.

Either way they have assets to they can move and money to spend annnnnd a shot at the lottery. They could reload this summer and be right back in the mix.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Apr 13 @ 9:58 AM ET
The ONLY way you trade a talent like Panarin to Columbus is if Jones was coming back. It's quite simple, Artemi Panarin was involved in creating 82 goals in the Regular Season and 3 of the Jackets 4 goals tonight. Brandon Saad was involved in creating 36 goals for the Hawks who are at home. 82 is better than 36 by a lot more than "playoff experience" can compensate for. Last time I checked goals scored are important to win at the sport of ice hockey. Artemi Panarin creates goals at an Elite level and when his contract is up next summer the Hawks could've budgeted $8mil for him. Bowman is a clown and Kwolf is right on the dot. What about Stan Bowman's 4 year track record tells you he can make this team a contender again??
- EnzoD



Hindsight is always 20/20 and while Stan has made his fair share of mistakes the full value for the Panarin/Saad trade has yet to be realized.

I wouldn't just the trade based on one season alone. If we did, yes Stan royally screwed up and if was one of the worst trades this team has made in a long time. But let's wait and see how things unfold in the long term. Will Saad bounce back? I think he will, I doubt he'll get the points Panarin gets but he's a different type of forward and brings a different type of value. Also, what happens when Panarin wants $8+ million in the summer of 2019? He's a UFA and he'll get what he wants, do the Hawks really need another massive contract that could look bad in a few years? Maybe Panarin signs for $8+ million and he's worth every penny, we just don't know. Like the fact that was know that if Panarin was still on the Hawks would they have been any better this year? Saad's season was terrible, but he wasn't the reason the club missed the playoffs.

Plenty of us (including yourself) liked the Saad/Panarin and Hjalmarsson/Murphy deals when they happened. Year one didn't work out well but I'm hoping they next few years are better.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 13 @ 10:00 AM ET
Totally agree. Natural scorers/snipers are much harder to come by than power forwards. You just do not trade scorers/snipers. You pay them.

I do think Saad will rebound next year especially if they get a sniper/scorer to ply on Toews RW.

I also think Forsberg could turn out to be a pretty good to great NHL goalie in the long run.

Tyler Motte is a journey man.

So this was a bad trade, but it is not as bad as it looks right now. That is especially true if Panarin signs for $10mil after next year because the Hawks would not have been able to sign him anyway.

- -Doh-


You really covered the ramifications of the trade quite well. I will expound on one point and perhaps there may be contention over the natural consequence(s) of the perspective you take away.

Would you rather have a team of three strong lines, each hustle lines with good skill but not a bonafide star. Maybe sone nice developing players like DeBrincat and Schmaltz but mostly a few of the hustle, drive to net crease scorer man child Saad type (obviously when he is on his game)........ok, so three balanced lines, saying no true superstar........

OR
Three lines with a more up and down, north to south skaters not so much finess but you have that one star scorer as your difference maker. Who scores an awesome goal because he is not only a natural goal scorer, but rises to the occassion. Like Panarin did last night.

It is a three good balanced lines vs three say not as deep skill lines but this group had Panarin.

In a board game with dice and charts etc all the balanced lines with descent talent always keeps you in games. They beat a lot of teams that cannot match their strong depth. In reality might the lesser skilled team but which had elite Panarin be more desirable?
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 13 @ 10:06 AM ET
Hindsight is always 20/20 and while Stan has made his fair share of mistakes the full value for the Panarin/Saad trade has yet to be realized.

I wouldn't just the trade based on one season alone. If we did, yes Stan royally screwed up and if was one of the worst trades this team has made in a long time. But let's wait and see how things unfold in the long term. Will Saad bounce back? I think he will, I doubt he'll get the points Panarin gets but he's a different type of forward and brings a different type of value. Also, what happens when Panarin wants $8+ million in the summer of 2019? He's a UFA and he'll get what he wants, do the Hawks really need another massive contract that could look bad in a few years? Maybe Panarin signs for $8+ million and he's worth every penny, we just don't know. Like the fact that was know that if Panarin was still on the Hawks would they have been any better this year? Saad's season was terrible, but he wasn't the reason the club missed the playoffs.

Plenty of us (including yourself) liked the Saad/Panarin and Hjalmarsson/Murphy deals when they happened. Year one didn't work out well but I'm hoping they next few years are better.

- DarthKane



Good to see a few agree with this
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Apr 13 @ 10:08 AM ET
Panarin trade looks really bad.. for now. Toews and Kane contracts hurts and Seabrook´s was worst of them all. I believe we all agree. Now can we all move on?
- MjulQvist



Putting the Saad/Panarin trade aside for a moment...

I am really happy for Panarin that he's continued to experience success in Columbus. While I am a big Saad fan and would still do the deal all over again I totally acknowledge that Panarin is an amazing player and one of the best snipers in the league. The kid truly deserves everything he gets and I hope he hits the jackpot during his next contract.
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Apr 13 @ 10:25 AM ET
Everyone complaining about the Panarin Saad trade, chill out. Saad has three more years at $6M, and he will 'regress' to his career average next season (About 50 points). Team scoring was down, and the last 30 games were a tankathon.

Panarin has one year left on his deal, then he's UFA. The Blue Jackets could resign him, but there's a few things working against them:
-If they're not a contender next year, they have to weigh moving him at the deadline instead of losing him for nothing
-John Tortorella is the head coach, he's calmed down but still can run offensive-minded star forwards out of town (Gaborik, Richards, etc.)
-Columbus is a small market, and Artemi might be interested in playing with other Russian friends or in a big market


It's possible that Panarin even returns to the Hawks. Yes it hurts right now to see him lighting it up in Columbus while Saad is at home, but in a little over a year Columbus could have no Panarin while we have Saad for two more years at $6M.
Dieselhead
Location: CA
Joined: 11.01.2011

Apr 13 @ 11:01 AM ET
I take it the third might have changed your mind then?

Edited read a few comments- guess not ... oh well, sour grapes are unbecoming. making the easy trade was all it was - the equivalent of feeding the kids for a week on fast food.

- steve-hist-sdc


I left the house after the first period, and saw the game highlights when I got back. I'm happy for the bread man. The Hawks still would not have made the playoffs with him on the team, but I could at least enjoy watching 15 minutes of each game, as opposed to 0.

I expect the series to get tied up when Kempny gets the GWG in game 2.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 13 @ 11:20 AM ET
Putting the Saad/Panarin trade aside for a moment...

I am really happy for Panarin that he's continued to experience success in Columbus. While I am a big Saad fan and would still do the deal all over again I totally acknowledge that Panarin is an amazing player and one of the best snipers in the league. The kid truly deserves everything he gets and I hope he hits the jackpot during his next contract.

- DarthKane


I agree with you. I hope he does well.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 13 @ 11:24 AM ET
Everyone complaining about the Panarin Saad trade, chill out. Saad has three more years at $6M, and he will 'regress' to his career average next season (About 50 points). Team scoring was down, and the last 30 games were a tankathon.

Panarin has one year left on his deal, then he's UFA. The Blue Jackets could resign him, but there's a few things working against them:
-If they're not a contender next year, they have to weigh moving him at the deadline instead of losing him for nothing
-John Tortorella is the head coach, he's calmed down but still can run offensive-minded star forwards out of town (Gaborik, Richards, etc.)
-Columbus is a small market, and Artemi might be interested in playing with other Russian friends or in a big market


It's possible that Panarin even returns to the Hawks. Yes it hurts right now to see him lighting it up in Columbus while Saad is at home, but in a little over a year Columbus could have no Panarin while we have Saad for two more years at $6M.

- ObeseOprah


Good post man.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Apr 13 @ 11:30 AM ET
The Chicago Blackhawks announced today that they have agreed to terms with defenseman Dennis Gilbert on a three-year contract that runs through the 2020-21 season. Gilbert will immediately join the Rockford IceHogs of the American Hockey League.

Gilbert was drafted by the Blackhawks in the third round (91st overall) of the 2015 National Hockey League Draft. The 21-year-old recently completed his junior season at the University of Notre Dame where he scored 10 points (4G, 6A) in 39 games. He recorded his first career two-goal game on Dec. 9, 2017 at Wisconsin.

The Buffalo, N.Y. native finished his three-year college career with six goals and 36 assists in 116 career college games. As a sophomore with the Fighting Irish, he helped his team to the Frozen Four and was named the Hockey East's Best Defensive Defenseman and a Hockey East Third Team All-Star. He recorded 22 assists to lead team defensemen during his sophomore campaign.

Prior to playing at Notre Dame, Gilbert played the 2014-15 season with the Chicago Steel of the USHL where he tallied 27 points (4G, 23A) in 59 games and was named to the USHL All-Rookie Team.
hocktock
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Over by dere.
Joined: 07.15.2015

Apr 13 @ 11:50 AM ET
Putting the Saad/Panarin trade aside for a moment...

I am really happy for Panarin that he's continued to experience success in Columbus. While I am a big Saad fan and would still do the deal all over again I totally acknowledge that Panarin is an amazing player and one of the best snipers in the league. The kid truly deserves everything he gets and I hope he hits the jackpot during his next contract.

- DarthKane


I love lil Arti and wish him the best. I miss the excitement he brought to t he Hocks. It's losing Tyler Mott I can't get over.

P.S. The competition this year across the league is incredible. Nashville ain't no shoe in.

Go lil Arti
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 13 @ 11:51 AM ET
Hitch retired today
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Apr 13 @ 12:00 PM ET
The Chicago Blackhawks announced today that they have agreed to terms with defenseman Dennis Gilbert on a three-year contract that runs through the 2020-21 season. Gilbert will immediately join the Rockford IceHogs of the American Hockey League.

Gilbert was drafted by the Blackhawks in the third round (91st overall) of the 2015 National Hockey League Draft. The 21-year-old recently completed his junior season at the University of Notre Dame where he scored 10 points (4G, 6A) in 39 games. He recorded his first career two-goal game on Dec. 9, 2017 at Wisconsin.

The Buffalo, N.Y. native finished his three-year college career with six goals and 36 assists in 116 career college games. As a sophomore with the Fighting Irish, he helped his team to the Frozen Four and was named the Hockey East's Best Defensive Defenseman and a Hockey East Third Team All-Star. He recorded 22 assists to lead team defensemen during his sophomore campaign.

Prior to playing at Notre Dame, Gilbert played the 2014-15 season with the Chicago Steel of the USHL where he tallied 27 points (4G, 23A) in 59 games and was named to the USHL All-Rookie Team.

- breadbag

can we sign the defense man on the other side of gilbert and the goalie morris I believe. Panrin most likely is not staying in Columbus he will want 7-9 million per year on his contract unless Columbus wants to pay and others they will have cap problems also.

Dubois in 2 years
Jenner this year
Milano in 2 years
Bjorkstrand this year
Murry this year
Werenski next year
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Apr 13 @ 12:05 PM ET
The Chicago Blackhawks announced today that they have agreed to terms with defenseman Dennis Gilbert on a three-year contract that runs through the 2020-21 season. Gilbert will immediately join the Rockford IceHogs of the American Hockey League.

Gilbert was drafted by the Blackhawks in the third round (91st overall) of the 2015 National Hockey League Draft. The 21-year-old recently completed his junior season at the University of Notre Dame where he scored 10 points (4G, 6A) in 39 games. He recorded his first career two-goal game on Dec. 9, 2017 at Wisconsin.

The Buffalo, N.Y. native finished his three-year college career with six goals and 36 assists in 116 career college games. As a sophomore with the Fighting Irish, he helped his team to the Frozen Four and was named the Hockey East's Best Defensive Defenseman and a Hockey East Third Team All-Star. He recorded 22 assists to lead team defensemen during his sophomore campaign.

Prior to playing at Notre Dame, Gilbert played the 2014-15 season with the Chicago Steel of the USHL where he tallied 27 points (4G, 23A) in 59 games and was named to the USHL All-Rookie Team.

- breadbag


Another prospect that will fail.
35Tony0
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Apr 13 @ 12:15 PM ET
Hitch retired today
- riozzo

I wonder if he'll get a shot at TV commentary? I think he would be really good at that.
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Apr 13 @ 12:17 PM ET
Hossa is having a meeting with Rocky and McD to discuss his future: https://sport.aktuality.s...p_hp-dennik-sport.c.x...B

Hopefully that future is: I found the man that was poisoning my water, he and his loved ones, and everyone he ever was friends with are now dead. Ready my chariot, sign Carlson, let's go.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Apr 13 @ 12:21 PM ET
I wonder if he'll get a shot at TV commentary? I think he would be really good at that.
- 35Tony0



From everything i read he is highly analytical and a human quote machine.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Apr 13 @ 12:23 PM ET
One last comment on Panarin/Saad....

The Salary Cap is going to rise as much as $7million this year. Panarin and Saad have matching Cap Hits until Summer of 2019. By that time, the Cap might be at $85mil or more, Anisimov and/or Hossa's contracts can likely be moved to Seattle or AZ, and the Hawks would've had PLENTY of Cap Space to give a PPG player like Panarin an $8mil x 8years contract (only a $2mil raise over his already accounted for $6mil contract). Pointing to "Cost-certainty" is completely moot bc the goal was to win Cups while Keith is still top pair (which is now debatable). Trading Panarin for Saad made the Hawks a significantly worse team, and that is an objective fact. You all can rationalize it and tell yourself "cost-certainty" bc it helps ease your mind when thinking about the fact that the Hawks traded an 80 point player for a 40 point player (36 this year). It's another horrid trade, and I promise to stop complaining about all of Stan Bowman's egregious errors that have Tanked this once great team to a bottom dwelling last place Lottery Team once Stan Bowman is fired as GM. Pinky Promise.
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Apr 13 @ 12:24 PM ET
One last comment on Panarin/Saad....

The Salary Cap is going to rise as much as $7million this year. Panarin and Saad have matching Cap Hits until Summer of 2019. By that time, the Cap might be at $85mil or more, Anisimov and/or Hossa's contracts can likely be moved to Seattle or AZ, and the Hawks would've had PLENTY of Cap Space to give a PPG player like Panarin an $8mil x 8years contract (only a $2mil raise over his already accounted for $6mil contract). Pointing to "Cost-certainty" is completely moot bc the goal was to win Cups while Keith is still top pair (which is now debatable). Trading Panarin for Saad made the Hawks a significantly worse team, and that is an objective fact. You all can rationalize it and tell yourself "cost-certainty" bc it helps ease your mind when thinking about the fact that the Hawks traded an 80 point player for a 40 point player (36 this year). It's another horrid trade, and I promise to stop complaining about all of Stan Bowman's egregious errors that have Tanked this once great team to a bottom dwelling last place Lottery Team once Stan Bowman is fired as GM. Pinky Promise.

- EnzoD


With back to back #1 picks, he will be a welcome addition back here.


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