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Hawkytalk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Frankfort, IL
Joined: 06.26.2012

Apr 5 @ 10:39 PM ET
he was here almost two full seasons..he got plenty of a chance;
- bogiedoc


He was a healthy scratch more than any other defenseman so I'll disagree on that. Probably never played 10 games in a row ?????
I'm not saying at all that he's all world. I just feel that Q didn't like him from day 1.

dahawks8819
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.29.2014

Apr 5 @ 11:30 PM ET
Ahhh yes bring back the mastermind behind the construction of the Last place Hawks' roster! The guy who traded away a Hart Trophy candidate in Panarin for a 3rd line producer in Saad. The guy who gave away Leddy, Danault, Johns/Sharp, Teravainen and the list goes on back to 2010 with virtually no assets coming back in the Buff, Ladd, Campbell trades either. The guy who gave up two 2nd round picks for 40yr old blood clot Kimmo Timmonen, signed David Rundblad for 2 years, and didn't add to the defense group in 2016 which was that team's fatal flaw. This is the same GM that hasn't drafted a good NHL Dmen in 10 years. What could go wrong?

I hope you all are ready for another year of poop hockey in Chicago! Oh ya, I guess I forgot that 2,7,19+ 50 are gunna find the fountain of youth this summer and Euro League quality defenders in Gustafson, Rutta, and Oesterle are going to magically gain the ability to defend effectively in the NHL at age 27. Status quo for this organization after the last 3 years is ludicrous. Glad I don't have season tickets.

- EnzoD[/img]


Now if you could just lose this site - the comment section would be so much better off.

You whiny little b1tch
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 5 @ 11:31 PM ET
I believe Bowman was told to shake this team up and no genius himself McD left the details to complete fool Bowman so Panarin and Hammer were traded simply because it was easy to do (no NTC in either case) especially if he didn't have to be concerned about the return he was going to get much to the both short and long term detriment of the team and the fanbase and hockey in general. Otherwise those trades as well as some other moves made no sense at all.
- Savoy


You believe that Bowman was told to shake this team up. You come up with these ideas then figure out a scenario to go along with it. I can see you probably frothing mouth and all.

You are bringing disgrace to this site. Justin probably winces when he views all your drivel. I wonder if blogger Rick is staying away after he can see you and a few others crap. I know wiz feels this site is going bad and you are part of it. Maybe you should write fiction stories for a living because you have a knack for it here. You have a few who chatise you and question some of your points. Hmmm....why is that.
dahawks8819
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.29.2014

Apr 5 @ 11:35 PM ET
The Hawks brass gets paid for being ready for bumps in the road. Every team has them. If they didn't know Hossa's condition in advance they should be investigated by Mueller. The Hawks brass completely failed to be ready to replace these and other lost players. Worst regime in the NHL IMO. Proof is on the ice.
- Savoy


Absolutely the post of the year here - 100000% true.
dahawks8819
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.29.2014

Apr 5 @ 11:38 PM ET
The Hawks brass gets paid for being ready for bumps in the road. Every team has them. If they didn't know Hossa's condition in advance they should be investigated by Mueller. The Hawks brass completely failed to be ready to replace these and other lost players. Worst regime in the NHL IMO. Proof is on the ice.
- Savoy


It's really a shame that you live in this little world that makes you think you know anything about professional hockey - pathetic actually.

Hossa is a first ballot hall of famer - you don't find those players every 10 years - let alone plan to replace them.

And Crawford is a top five goalie - again something you don't just have sitting around - waiting to come in in case of injury.

Seriously - you are one of the most uninformed whiny little b1tches here.

Get over yourself - your b.s. is tired and old.....
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Apr 5 @ 11:42 PM ET
Really??? He was on and off OK to bad. And he makes one hit so he didn't get a fair chance?
- riozzo

Kempny wasn't signing here again. a 3rd round pick is a more than adequate return.
dahawks8819
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.29.2014

Apr 5 @ 11:43 PM ET
Ahhh yes bring back the mastermind behind the construction of the Last place Hawks' roster! The guy who traded away a Hart Trophy candidate in Panarin for a 3rd line producer in Saad. The guy who gave away Leddy, Danault, Johns/Sharp, Teravainen and the list goes on back to 2010 with virtually no assets coming back in the Buff, Ladd, Campbell trades either. The guy who gave up two 2nd round picks for 40yr old blood clot Kimmo Timmonen, signed David Rundblad for 2 years, and didn't add to the defense group in 2016 which was that team's fatal flaw. This is the same GM that hasn't drafted a good NHL Dmen in 10 years. What could go wrong?

I hope you all are ready for another year of poop hockey in Chicago! Oh ya, I guess I forgot that 2,7,19+ 50 are gunna find the fountain of youth this summer and Euro League quality defenders in Gustafson, Rutta, and Oesterle are going to magically gain the ability to defend effectively in the NHL at age 27. Status quo for this organization after the last 3 years is ludicrous. Glad I don't have season tickets.

- EnzoD[/img]


And here is a great idea - one that most people on this page would welcome....

Why don't you just move yourself over to the Colorado page permanently?? You can whine and complain about Sakic's shortcomings all day long - the only difference is your b.s. will annoy only 3-4 people there instead of 50-60 here.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Apr 5 @ 11:55 PM ET
Now if you could just lose this site - the comment section would be so much better off.

You whiny little b1tch

- dahawks8819


Blow me and stuff your "insider info" up your ass. What a (frank)ing joke. You've been a clown ever since you crawled out of your troll cave.
dahawks8819
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.29.2014

Apr 6 @ 12:33 AM ET
Blow me and stuff your "insider info" up your ass. What a (frank)ing joke. You've been a clown ever since you crawled out of your troll cave.
- EnzoD


Yes - that's right loser - that's all you got.

If I had told you last week that neither Bowman or Quenneville were going to be fired after this year - you would have laughed at me - but in the end - as usual - I would have proven to be right - and you would be wrong.

I do laugh at your little rantings - your ignorance shows on a daily basis.

When this page goes without any input from you, it is a much better read.

And what pisses you off the most is I have actual contacts within and outside this organization - while you sit in your tiny, dirty one bedroom sh1thole - wishing you knew even 10 percent of what I do.

So suck on it loser - suck it long and suck it hard!!!!!
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Apr 6 @ 12:39 AM ET
Another podcast discussing the announcement today. Burish has some really good insight from both the Hawks' and other teams' usual approaches. They discuss where the disconnect exists between Q and StanBo and what each needs to do to fix the problem. Bur is also 100% clear that the PP is a coaching problem and the biggest issue is their approach to zone entries.

http://www.nbcsports.com/...retaining-stan-bowman-and
matt_ahrens
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Apr 6 @ 12:52 AM ET
Average wing....yes....sure.... because they guy who last season was scoring at a rate of an 1st line player is average. They guy who last year put up points similar to Logan Couture, Taylor Hall, Corey Perry, Alexander Radulov, Vincent Trocheck, Wayne Simmonds (to name a few) is just your average winger. They are different players but if you wanna just them just on points and extrapolate some 100+ points for Panarin, go for it. One had a career year deployed as the go to guy offensively for his team, while the other had a tough year deployed in a shut down role.

Forsberg has been considered a top prospect and a potential future starting goalie. He lead his team in Junior to a Calder cup. He didn't play great this year but time will tell if he can grab a full time NHL job. The story isn't written on him yet.

Murphy couldn't stick with the Yotes...but his icetime was increasing and he was playing 2nd pair minutes. Hjalmarsson isn't any higher in the pecking order in Arizona either and while he is still a warrior he has not been a top shutdown guy for a couple seasons. That is just the reality of the situation, even if you don't like it.

There is no propaganda, everyone who watches hockey expected more out of Saad. He clearly had an bad season, but at some point you have to get over it. The trade was made and the full affects of it span further than who has more assists this season.

- breadbag


I always appreciate your posts. They're thoughtful, reasonable, and informed.

I really like Saad and I hope he bounces back next year (along with a few others on the team.) I liked the trade at the time but, yeah, after one season, the Bluejackets got the better of that deal so far. Hey, here's something Stan could do to "win" that trade, sign Panarin after next season when he's a free agent.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Apr 6 @ 12:56 AM ET

LOL...well having read the last number of posts it seems this blog has degenerated to say the least.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 6 @ 1:02 AM ET
Another podcast discussing the announcement today. Burish has some really good insight from both the Hawks' and other teams' usual approaches. They discuss where the disconnect exists between Q and StanBo and what each needs to do to fix the problem. Bur is also 100% clear that the PP is a coaching problem and the biggest issue is their approach to zone entries.

http://www.nbcsports.com/...retaining-stan-bowman-and

- pdx2ord


Thank you for this relevant information. The pp has been a problem for oh so long (seasons). Has it always been a coaching problem? The GM never gave all the right pieces - mannin ftontbof net, Keith os not your qb type and his shot from the point is a problem. Players Kane and Panarin often tried doing the same old same old.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Apr 6 @ 1:18 AM ET
There has been an higher amount of collegiate and in general, seemingly inordinate signings. Not sure i cannpinpoint why so. Blackhawks are right up there with so many. But i think it has a lot to do with the goldmine teams think they may unearth. Bowman has drafted well,
Make no mistake sbout this.
dahawks8819
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.29.2014

Apr 6 @ 1:32 AM ET
So what I was hearing was wrong... and happy to admit it: https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1515164


... well at least with Q.

Stan! Put together a better team and let Joel coach a competent team. You need: 2x Dmen (maybe both shut down guys), a C that can win some faceoffs and some grit.


What is everyone's thoughts on this?

- Justin Lowe


Hey Justin,

Hope everything is well with your family.

I was talking to someone I know in the Hawks organization last weekend - here were a couple of highlights of the conversation that I can share.....

First was the revelation that McDonough was leaning towards not firing either Q or Bowman this summer. He believes that the past decade of success is something worth remaining loyal to - and wants to give them the opportunity to right the ship themselves. I was asked not to share it until McDonough spoke first.

Second was about the team's defense. I know this will rub a lot of the posters here the wrong way, but don't expect them to do much this summer to improve the group. Some interesting thoughts about the young d-men here - they have probably the toughest job in the NHL. Not only do they have to acclimate to the speed and physicality, but more importantly - to actually learn how to blend seamlessly with their defensive pairing. This is why young d-men are left in the AHL longer than forwards - it's just not that easy.

Go back to 2005-2007 and think about Keith and Seabrook. Both players showed a lot of future upside, but it really took them a couple of years learning to play with and for each other to become a true #1 pairing. And also think about Hjalmarsson - he really became a top lockdown defenseman once they acquired Oduya and they got a chance to figure each other out and really compliment each other so perfectly. After Oduya broke his foot, he was not the same again - and Hjamlarsson's game started to go south from there. I know Q liked pairing him with Keith, but they really just did not gel as well together as a top unit.

So we fast forward to today's group. The Hawks have some promising young defensemen, but they are going to need time and adjustments to find who they pair best with - and if there are pairings to be made with this group that will work for a team that wants to compete for a cup again.

It was said that bringing other d-men into this group may not be what will fix it in the next two years any better than figuring out what they already have. And there is a strong belief that the right combinations are there to be had - the players themselves need to learn and adapt to it. And the only way it happens is to keep playing.

It was also said that a proven veteran goalie will be brought in this summer - just not sure if it will be by trade or free agency. They will not be caught with their pants down again - now that the worst fears about Crawford's reliability have been realized.

Probably not the answers you wanted to hear, but this is most likely the direction they will be heading this summer. And all the posters keep this in mind - no team is going to trade to the Hawks great, young, cost controlled d-men. Any team that has them and wants to move them will be asking a king's ransom - and the likes of Anisimov, Jurco, Gustafsson and Duclair are not going to get it done. It's a nice fantasy, so don't hold your breath for it.
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Apr 6 @ 2:06 AM ET
Yes - that's right loser - that's all you got.

If I had told you last week that neither Bowman or Quenneville were going to be fired after this year - you would have laughed at me - but in the end - as usual - I would have proven to be right - and you would be wrong.

I do laugh at your little rantings - your ignorance shows on a daily basis.

When this page goes without any input from you, it is a much better read.

And what pisses you off the most is I have actual contacts within and outside this organization - while you sit in your tiny, dirty one bedroom sh1thole - wishing you knew even 10 percent of what I do.

So suck on it loser - suck it long and suck it hard!!!!!

- dahawks8819


This is just childish. All people fighting on this board need to get a grip, especially you dude. You likely have the same nacho vendor contacts as Ek.

We’re all hawks fans here, act like adults.
matt_ahrens
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Apr 6 @ 2:08 AM ET
This is just childish. All people fighting on this board need to get a grip, especially you dude. You likely have the same nacho vendor contacts as Ek.

We’re all hawks fans here, act like adults.

- ObeseOprah


well said OO
MjulQvist
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 04.22.2012

Apr 6 @ 2:13 AM ET
Any team that has them and wants to move them will be asking a king's ransom - and the likes of Anisimov, Jurco, Gustafsson and Duclair are not going to get it done. It's a nice fantasy, so don't hold your breath for it.
- dahawks8819


Not that I disagree with you but who doesn´t belong in that group? Anisimov is no way near a star player but he is still reliable good hockey player. Like him or not.
dahawks8819
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.29.2014

Apr 6 @ 2:26 AM ET
Not that I disagree with you but who doesn´t belong in that group? Anisimov is no way near a star player but he is still reliable good hockey player. Like him or not.
- MjulQvist


I was not grouping them together as "like" players.

These have been the names suggested as trade bait over the summer. My point is - if this is all they have to trade, the young stud d-man/men that everyone is clamoring for will not be coming.
MjulQvist
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 04.22.2012

Apr 6 @ 4:25 AM ET
I was not grouping them together as "like" players.

These have been the names suggested as trade bait over the summer. My point is - if this is all they have to trade, the young stud d-man/men that everyone is clamoring for will not be coming.

- dahawks8819


Ok! My bad.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Apr 6 @ 7:20 AM ET
Nope they need a new coach .One who will allow defenseman punish players in front of the net .Stay with lines for more then a heartbeat . Coach young players ,not just sit them or put them in the press box .And find a PP scheme that works .(Oates ) I hope he is on a very short lease ,so the players don't spend another year trying to show management he needs to go
- oldduffman

I've seen this name mentioned before. If Adam Oates is the be all, end all then why is he not a head coach or assistant now? My gosh, the guy missed the playoffs with a Caps team that had Ovechkin, Backstrom, Holtby and other really good players. Sorry, it's kind of easy to coach up a power play that has a young, uninjured Stamkos and Marty St. Louis or a young, uninjured Zach Parise, Kovalchuk and Brodeur in net.

The best I can tell he's at home twiddling his thumbs I guess for reasons.
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Apr 6 @ 7:44 AM ET
You believe that Bowman was told to shake this team up. You come up with these ideas then figure out a scenario to go along with it. I can see you probably frothing mouth and all.

You are bringing disgrace to this site. Justin probably winces when he views all your drivel. I wonder if blogger Rick is staying away after he can see you and a few others crap. I know wiz feels this site is going bad and you are part of it. Maybe you should write fiction stories for a living because you have a knack for it here. You have a few who chatise you and question some of your points. Hmmm....why is that.

- jhawk59

Are you having a hissy fit? Are your panties too tight again? My goodness! Go take a MIDOL girly.
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Apr 6 @ 7:52 AM ET
Blow me and stuff your "insider info" up your ass. What a (frank)ing joke. You've been a clown ever since you crawled out of your troll cave.
- EnzoD


I guess the internet totally controls these guys. They can't not read and then they can't tolerate what they are somehow forced to read. They just can't stay away from it. Whatever other people post must be their entire life. Hysterical. I love it.
Savoy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Spencer, NC
Joined: 01.15.2014

Apr 6 @ 8:01 AM ET
It's really a shame that you live in this little world that makes you think you know anything about professional hockey - pathetic actually.

Hossa is a first ballot hall of famer - you don't find those players every 10 years - let alone plan to replace them.

And Crawford is a top five goalie - again something you don't just have sitting around - waiting to come in in case of injury.

Seriously - you are one of the most uninformed whiny little b1tches here.

Get over yourself - your b.s. is tired and old.....

- dahawks8819



I must be hitting the really sore tooth of truth for the fake posters.
gazza53
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 09.15.2017

Apr 6 @ 8:32 AM ET
GREAT clean hit by Kempney on Fiala in Preds game. I guess he was too terrible in Q's system to make this team though.
Just another defenseman not given a legit opportunity imo.

- Hawkytalk


And playing w/Carlson so a top 4 d position, guess Trotz doesn't have
a clue then. sarc-

After he started getting mugged for that great hit you have to love
how his teammates came to his side, that rarely if ever happened
here in Chicago, sigh
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