I was thinking the same thing with Norm Maciver. In the slim chance that the Hawks change both the GM and Coach this summer and stay with internal candidates, I'd think Maciver and Don Granato are the leading choices.
- AEL_Fox

Probably, but you're correct that chances are slim. Q is not going anywhere. They aren't going to pay one of the best coaches in the league $12 million not to coach. Plus key players love Q and believe Stan hurt the team by undermining Q.

Probably, but you're correct that chances are slim. Q is not going anywhere. They aren't going to pay one of the best coaches in the league $12 million not to coach. Plus key players love Q and believe Stan hurt the team by undermining Q.
- gmurban

Do you have inside information about - sources for - this?

No offense meant - I check end notes in books, too.

Probably, but you're correct that chances are slim. Q is not going anywhere. They aren't going to pay one of the best coaches in the league $12 million not to coach. Plus key players love Q and believe Stan hurt the team by undermining Q.
- gmurban

They won't have to pay him if another team picks him up (at least that is my understanding). And, he'd be snatched up in a NY minute.

The 3 Cups argument only proves my point. The Hawks have won zero cups since the matching $10.5mil cap hits became effective. Your comments on Stanley Cup wins only furthers my argument that Stanley Cup Championships are won by great TEAMS not by great INDIVIDUALS. Once those deals were signed, the Hawks could no longer afford to ice a Cup worthy team. Tell me where I'm wrong here?
- EnzoD

Have to agree

I don’t particularly disagree - but tell me also how Stan could have NOT given the Twins $10.5 each:

(1) after two Cups
(2) given Toews outspokenness during the lockout - one of the more vocal players backing up Fehr - he would have strongly expected to be the highest paid player in the league
(3) if the give Toews $10.5, they have to give Kane the same
(4) the media hit in Chicago if they let the two Smythe winner approach - let alone get to - UFA status
(5) the cap was expected to increase much more than it did
(6) all my speculation, but I’m not sure there was much the suits could do to avoid those two contracts

Several $5-$6 contracts, but the issue with those isn’t the cap hit - did any of Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson, Crawford not deserve the cash (even if they didn’t deserve the length and movement restrictions)?

But - just some stream of consciousness thought from my fevered consciousness.
- StLBravesFan

If McEgo had just waited another couple of months to do the deals, since he was in NO rush to do them when he did - he could have seen the collapse of the oil market, followed by the collapse of the Canadian Dollar, which led to the halt of cap growth at the rate it was projected.

Instead, the marketing hype associated with early deals was deemed far more essential, and the 19 and 88 deals will go down as the first of many anchors to pull in the subsequent seasons.

Not only is the huge crop of borderline NHLers on this team a problem, but there is no one of 19, 88, 7, or 81s caliber anywhere to be found in the system to replace that fast fading talent.

Going to be a long drought, with plenty of blame to go around from the top down.

Samuelsson scores again today, he’s really playing for an NHL contract. I’m sure the club isn’t rushing a decision until the summer, but he has to be considered for a contract next year.

If McEgo had just waited another couple of months to do the deals, since he was in NO rush to do them when he did - he could have seen the collapse of the oil market, followed by the collapse of the Canadian Dollar, which led to the halt of cap growth at the rate it was projected.

Instead, the marketing hype associated with early deals was deemed far more essential, and the 19 and 88 deals will go down as the first of many anchors to pull in the subsequent seasons.

Not only is the huge crop of borderline NHLers on this team a problem, but there is no one of 19, 88, 7, or 81s caliber anywhere to be found in the system to replace that fast fading talent.

Going to be a long drought, with plenty of blame to go around from the top down.
- Return of the Roar

The part that got me, toews and Kane took a home town discount. lol ya, right. Teams win championships and rolling 4 lines and at least 5 quality dmen. Still not sure how the Hawks pulled it off with 4dmen in 2015. Players playing for each other. Making sacrifices and paying a price. Toews is basically done. The guy use to make a living going to the net and winning battles along the boards, now that is rarely seen. also the game has changed, the defense is bigger and faster and stronger, not a good situation for Toews.

The part that got me, toews and Kane took a home town discount. lol ya, right. Teams win championships and rolling 4 lines and at least 5 quality dmen. Still not sure how the Hawks pulled it off with 4dmen in 2015. Players playing for each other. Making sacrifices and paying a price. Toews is basically done. The guy use to make a living going to the net and winning battles along the boards, now that is rarely seen. also the game has changed, the defense is bigger and faster and stronger, not a good situation for Toews.
- Topshelf2010

Hard to argue with any of this. Regarding Toews, specifically, unless his Mystery Injury is healed or he gets back to the level of hunger/drive he used to have playing hockey I believe the guy we've seen the last 3 seasons is what you're gunna get. I think it's both mental and physical with Toews, but I guess none of us will know for sure until Toews hangs em up for good and he writes his autobiography.

Yotes keep winning as they smack around the Blues 6-0. Richard Panik thriving in a top line role there...that shmuck was worthless for the Hawks this season.

Samuelsson scores again today, he’s really playing for an NHL contract. I’m sure the club isn’t rushing a decision until the summer, but he has to be considered for a contract next year.
- DarthKane

Heard they are considering him for a contract and he's defintely willing with his Dad being so close/having influence in the CHI organization.

Huge win for the Hogs tonight!

They have separated themselves by 7 points from the 5th place team with their 4th consecutive win.

Huge win for the Hogs tonight!

They have separated themselves by 7 points from the 5th place team with their 4th consecutive win.
- Justin Lowe

Fingers crossed that the Hogs make the playoffs, it will be a great experience for some of the young guys. As good as Rockford is now there is some good talent on the Hawks roster that will make them better once their season is over.

Fingers crossed that the Hogs make the playoffs, it will be a great experience for some of the young guys. As good as Rockford is now there is some good talent on the Hawks roster that will make them better once their season is over.
- DarthKane

Which parent team members are eligible for the arockford tournament?

Keith, Hossa, Hjallmarsson were all great value Cap Hits vs On Ice Performance. Again, I think if you had Chris Chelios staring Brent Seabrook, Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane in the eyes and said, "Listen, if you go for max cap hit this team will no longer be able to compete for Cups. We need you to take_____ on this next deal so we have a chance to keep winning." Stan Bowman has no locker room credit like a former NHL player would. Just look at Tampa. Steve Yzerman locked up arguably the NHL's best Dman for a VERY fair cap hit. same with Stamkos.
- EnzoD

Keith/Hossa's contracts could be considered illegal if they were signed today.
And we just matched an offer sheet for Hammer...
then traded him away...

Keith/Hossa's contracts could be considered illegal if they were signed today.
And we just matched an offer sheet for Hammer...
then traded him away...
- Slofire94

But they were legal when signed, so not sure what that has to do with anything.

Hjalmarsson - they matched the offer sheet in 2010 - he was traded in the summer of 2017 - seven years later - with a new (and team-favorable) contract negotiated in between

I think enough enough time passed so that it wasn’t a “matched then traded” situation.

Which parent team members are eligible for the arockford tournament?
- StLBravesFan

Hayden, Kampf, Berube and Delia for sure. I’m not sure about Edjsell, Hillman and Sikura but I would guess not. Plus Forsling has been out with an injury (11 games) as well as Fortin (10 games).

Which parent team members are eligible for the arockford tournament?
- StLBravesFan

http://icehogs.com/team/players/

The IceHogs website lists Kämpf, Jurčo, Hinostroza, Martinsen, Ejdsell, Hayden, Gustafsson, Delia and Bérubé as loaned to Chicago, so I guess they are ale eligible. Sikura and Hillman probably not, while I am unsure about Tuulola, who signed his ATO late.

However, Blackhawks sent Kämpf down on Feb 26th only to meet the AHL deadline and by that time, Jurčo, Hinostroza and Gustafsson remained in Chicago (and Ejdsell was still in Sweden). So maybe exclude these four.

But they were legal when signed, so not sure what that has to do with anything.

Hjalmarsson - they matched the offer sheet in 2010 - he was traded in the summer of 2017 - seven years later - with a new (and team-favorable) contract negotiated in between

I think enough enough time passed so that it wasn’t a “matched then traded” situation.
- StLBravesFan

Hammer put the team first on his 2014 contract. He left money on the table, but wanted to be a Hawk so he signed a cap friendly deal. Toews and Kane not so much!

Long story short Kane and Toews were a big part of 3 cups and they took max money and now they can live with playing with a bunch of kids and 5/6 dman the rest of their careers.

But hey, they earned those deals!

Samuelsson scores again today, he’s really playing for an NHL contract. I’m sure the club isn’t rushing a decision until the summer, but he has to be considered for a contract next year.
- DarthKane

I thought he was property of another team on loan to the Rock. You are right though. He should factor in considering the state of the team right now.

Yotes keep winning as they smack around the Blues 6-0. Richard Panik thriving in a top line role there...that shmuck was worthless for the Hawks this season.
- EnzoD

As are many on this team.

Huge win for the Hogs tonight!

They have separated themselves by 7 points from the 5th place team with their 4th consecutive win.
- Justin Lowe

Justin if the hogs do make the playoffs can dcat skikura Hillman hayden gusterson go to the Rockford and contribute for the playoffs?

If McEgo had just waited another couple of months to do the deals, since he was in NO rush to do them when he did - he could have seen the collapse of the oil market, followed by the collapse of the Canadian Dollar, which led to the halt of cap growth at the rate it was projected.

Instead, the marketing hype associated with early deals was deemed far more essential, and the 19 and 88 deals will go down as the first of many anchors to pull in the subsequent seasons.

Not only is the huge crop of borderline NHLers on this team a problem, but there is no one of 19, 88, 7, or 81s caliber anywhere to be found in the system to replace that fast fading talent.

Going to be a long drought, with plenty of blame to go around from the top down.
- Return of the Roar

If your research is correct that is one hell of a post. Hindsight is 20/20. Shows what can happen when marketing takes presedence over hockey. Nice job Roar.

A pick that could conceivably be very low in round 1 is not a big prize for a decent, young winger who is an established 20 goal scorer. Ejdsell has done almost nothing since getting the call. The dude can't keep up.
- kwolf68

Honestly, if Hartman was still on the team, he'd be getting ripped as a waste of a first round pick by Bowman today, don't kid yourself.

I would consider any first round pick an asset.
- tvetter

Poille drafted Tolvanen with that pick last year

The 3 Cups argument only proves my point. The Hawks have won zero cups since the matching $10.5mil cap hits became effective. Your comments on Stanley Cup wins only furthers my argument that Stanley Cup Championships are won by great TEAMS not by great INDIVIDUALS. Once those deals were signed, the Hawks could no longer afford to ice a Cup worthy team. Tell me where I'm wrong here?
- EnzoD

Where you’re wrong is the apples to oranges comparison of Stevie Y locking up Hedman and Stamkos.

They’re still trying to get to the promised land for the first time, never mind the 2nd or 3rd. Until they win their 1st with that group, and they may this season...but right now they’re also at 0.