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ToewsdNKanefusd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Hampshire, IL
Joined: 05.14.2015

Mar 23 @ 2:00 PM ET
Las is saying Victor E might make his debut tonight.
- kmw4631


I wish the game against the Wolves was tonight, would have probably been televised
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

Mar 23 @ 2:09 PM ET
He did mention in a recent interview that he was going to try and bulk up again this summer.
- pdx2ord

Ahh totally missed that. If he does in fact do this that would be very encouraging. Thanks for info👍
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Mar 23 @ 2:09 PM ET
Here are the draft rankings according to an aggregate of 6 sources (ISS Hockey, Marek, Hockeyprospect.com, Scott Wheeler, Dobber, McKenzie)
1. Rasmus Dahlin, D
2. Andrei Svechnikov, RW
3. Filip Zadina, LW
4. Brady Tkachuk, LW
5. Adam Boqvist, D
6. Oliver Wahlstrom, RW
7. Evan Bouchard, D
8. Quinton Hughes, D
9. Noah Dobson, D
10. Joe Veleno, C
11. Joel Farabee, LW
12. Barret Hayton, C

I'll be posting a few write-ups on each guy so we can have a sense of what each guy brings to the table, and who they might compare to. If anyone wants to take a crack at any of them, let me know.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Mar 23 @ 2:16 PM ET
The way the good ship Blackhawk has been sinking really should not be too surprising. I believe Bowman foresaw the team record and team performance would slip, just not as badly.

This season Bowman knew he needed to play the group commonly on this board referred to as no better than third pair or depth. Bowman realized that this year he had to find out how well these dmen would perform at the NHL level. One or more of them could become servicable depth or third pair for a playoff team seeking puck moving dmen

A- ha....that is the strong point in their game. The playoffs is a marathon and you need depth on defense. Either this year or next Bowman already has begun the process of dumping them. And the sort of prospect we could draft, our renumeration, could turn out to be someone similar to .........that's right......Sikura!

It is just unfortunate that three big blows no one knew was coming in the beginning was the abrupt decline in Toews and Seabrook + Hossa's departure. Tough luck, sh*t happens.

You may cross your fingers and hope that some of these prospects are better than the long AHL tenure dmen whom lace them up now. To be sure, this implies that they are better in the area of game the current guys suck at.

The law of average should indicate there is one dman, minimum, to rise up. Tuulola was a bit if a surprise to us, yet Bowman's reports must have said that Tullola has taken large strides and may improve yet even more. Hence the sign. We just have to wait and see. Maybe some of the bloggers like zhawk3 could watch a Rockford game or two and report his impression

The best is yet to come, though, with Mitchell, Carlsson, Jokiharju coming aboard.

The sooner and the encouraging performance forthcoming might result in some bloggers whistling a different note than the sour grapes they suck and fire them rhetoric.
Murph76
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 12.07.2011

Mar 23 @ 2:19 PM ET
Here are the draft rankings according to an aggregate of 6 sources (ISS Hockey, Marek, Hockeyprospect.com, Scott Wheeler, Dobber, McKenzie)
1. Rasmus Dahlin, D
2. Andrei Svechnikov, RW
3. Filip Zadina, LW
4. Brady Tkachuk, LW
5. Adam Boqvist, D
6. Oliver Wahlstrom, RW
7. Evan Bouchard, D
8. Quinton Hughes, D
9. Noah Dobson, D
10. Joe Veleno, C
11. Joel Farabee, LW
12. Barret Hayton, C

I'll be posting a few write-ups on each guy so we can have a sense of what each guy brings to the table, and who they might compare to. If anyone wants to take a crack at any of them, let me know.

- ObeseOprah


If Bouchard goes first, who do you guys choose between Hughes and Dobson...(assuming we pick 7-9 and wisely choose a D-Man)?
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 23 @ 2:21 PM ET
If Bouchard goes first, who do you guys choose between Hughes and Dobson...(assuming we pick 7-9 and wisely choose a D-Man)?
- Murph76


Don't worry...the Hawks are winning the draft lottery.
BlazinMike
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 05.08.2013

Mar 23 @ 2:24 PM ET
Don't worry...the Hawks are winning the draft lottery.
- DarthKane


Bowman will outsmart himself and pick Hughes number 1 overall. The guy is incompetent afterall
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Mar 23 @ 2:28 PM ET
Here are the draft rankings according to an aggregate of 6 sources (ISS Hockey, Marek, Hockeyprospect.com, Scott Wheeler, Dobber, McKenzie)
1. Rasmus Dahlin, D
2. Andrei Svechnikov, RW
3. Filip Zadina, LW
4. Brady Tkachuk, LW
5. Adam Boqvist, D
6. Oliver Wahlstrom, RW
7. Evan Bouchard, D
8. Quinton Hughes, D
9. Noah Dobson, D
10. Joe Veleno, C
11. Joel Farabee, LW
12. Barret Hayton, C

I'll be posting a few write-ups on each guy so we can have a sense of what each guy brings to the table, and who they might compare to. If anyone wants to take a crack at any of them, let me know.

- ObeseOprah


1. Rasmus Dahlin, D, 6'2", 183 lbs.
The consensus number 1 pick. Supposedly has every tool imaginable for a young defenseman. Has been called everything from Karlsson to Lidstrom. There's Dahlin, then there's everyone else... according to one scout. His offensive capabilities are known, he's great at opening up lanes, can shoot, and has pinpoint passing.
How is his defense? From what I've watched: crafty.
He's not the fastest in the league, or necessarily the strongest at 18 (that could change). But he does seem to have tricks up his sleeve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE3xSRjfDkg

He can skate the puck out of trouble, and can use moves that most forwards would use in a breakaway scenario to do it. This is on large euro rinks with lesser opponents, but it speaks to his confidence. A lot of these tricks will likely diminish once he reaches the NHL.

He uses his left skate to drag along the ice and change his angle when skating, making him hard to defend through the neutral zone and skating in from the point.

There isn't much evidence of him making contact, which probably puts many Hawks fans on edge while thinking of the 'no hit' Hawks of the last few seasons. He is still growing though, and putting more meat on a 6'2" frame could lead to more step-ups like this: https://www.youtube.com/w...tch?v=OMig8EbUFx8#t=2m45s

His strongest attributes seem to be puck-handling, and navigating the neutral zone.
His room for improvement will likely be: adjusting to smaller ice, heavier play.

Best case scenario: Erik Karlsson
Worst case scenario: Nick Leddy
Plausible scenario: Oliver Ekman-Larsson
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Mar 23 @ 2:33 PM ET
--first season since 2006-07, baring a MAJOR run in the last 7 games, this team will fail to reach at least 80 points. Can't be ignored.

--Been reading national reports and truly.....the spin coming for bowman is laughable. Ignoring age but pointing to every best player having a down year, and Crawford's injury......Well 7/19 and even 2 have been regressing prior to this year, and Saad got paid and happy and his 200 ft game is nothing to mirrors the kid who left for Columbus following the 2015 season.

--This team looks lifeless. Yes, you can point to the young kids and a great year from DeBrincat but we also saw the same with Hartman only to see him take multiple steps backwards before being shipped out to Nashville. Impossible to bank on similar production from younger guys after rookie year. League adjusts.

--This team needs a thorough internal review of management and players in an unbiased fashion. They need a fresh look, and they need to make trades that wont' be popular but needed for the long term viability of this team. Otherwise your window has slammed shut and you won't win or be a contender for another cup with this make up. Instead of rewarding the past, hockey ops needs to start looking at the future and doing what's best for the team. NMC and term to give up both is beyond foolish. It's suicidal and the team now is saddled with Bowman's horrific negioating tactics with agents.

--You have 2 players in your core with a history of concussions. 19/50 can you count on either to return to their previous form? I'm sorry but Forsberg, Berube, and the rest of the crap they have tried out in goal......is alarming how thin this organization is at the position. You aren't even competitive when plugging 1 of those in. All are turds and all should be looked past when filing out your roster next year.

See where this goes, but a standing pat by this team is a slap in the face to the fan base. You need to retool and you need to do it smart. Both mega trades this past summer blew up in Bowman's face......Panarin is almost 40 pts better then Saad and who is Panarin playing with? Murphy is maybe, MAYBE, a 5th d man on a championship caliber club.

The Hawks had a majestic run and I'm grateful for it, but the hard truth remains that this team is rapidly on a down turn and it won't be fixed adding another previous hawk on the last legs of his career this summer.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Mar 23 @ 2:40 PM ET
Don't worry...the Hawks are winning the draft lottery.
- DarthKane


hold on there...where did you get that information

riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Mar 23 @ 2:41 PM ET
1. Rasmus Dahlin, D, 6'2", 183 lbs.
The consensus number 1 pick. Supposedly has every tool imaginable for a young defenseman. Has been called everything from Karlsson to Lidstrom. There's Dahlin, then there's everyone else... according to one scout. His offensive capabilities are known, he's great at opening up lanes, can shoot, and has pinpoint passing.
How is his defense? From what I've watched: crafty.
He's not the fastest in the league, or necessarily the strongest at 18 (that could change). But he does seem to have tricks up his sleeve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE3xSRjfDkg

He can skate the puck out of trouble, and can use moves that most forwards would use in a breakaway scenario to do it. This is on large euro rinks with lesser opponents, but it speaks to his confidence. A lot of these tricks will likely diminish once he reaches the NHL.

He uses his left skate to drag along the ice and change his angle when skating, making him hard to defend through the neutral zone and skating in from the point.

There isn't much evidence of him making contact, which probably puts many Hawks fans on edge while thinking of the 'no hit' Hawks of the last few seasons. He is still growing though, and putting more meat on a 6'2" frame could lead to more step-ups like this: https://www.youtube.com/w...tch?v=OMig8EbUFx8#t=2m45s

His strongest attributes seem to be puck-handling, and navigating the neutral zone.
His room for improvement will likely be: adjusting to smaller ice, heavier play.

Best case scenario: Erik Karlsson
Worst case scenario: Nick Leddy
Plausible scenario: Oliver Ekman-Larsson

- ObeseOprah


Is this your work or are you cutting and pasting - if so, you should cite references...
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Mar 23 @ 2:45 PM ET
If Bouchard goes first, who do you guys choose between Hughes and Dobson...(assuming we pick 7-9 and wisely choose a D-Man)?
- Murph76

Although Hughes is ranked higher I'd hope they pick Dobson if that was the choice or any other player not committed to a college program.

The chances of making the NHL straight out of junior for anyone but Dahlin are probably not good but, I'd rather they pick someone who can be sent back to there junior club for a year rather then another college kid who may want to play his 4 years and then want to become a FA.

Besides the Hawks fall from being an elite club was so hard and fast they need fresh help as quickly as possible.

BTW what is the story with our next great sniper Fortin?
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Mar 23 @ 2:46 PM ET
hold on there...where did you get that information


- bogiedoc


Why would some take a picture of him at the moment he is getting a rectal exam? Oh yea, it was Mario taking it, in his basement.
ObeseOprah
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.17.2014

Mar 23 @ 2:47 PM ET
Is this your work or are you cutting and pasting - if so, you should cite references...
- riozzo


My own work, just from reading reports about him and watching video. The youtube clips I'm linking are just to provide some evidence for certain plays. Let me know if you want to take a whack at one of these, I imagine it will get less fun after Dahlin, Zadina, Svechnikov.
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Mar 23 @ 2:58 PM ET
Sign no big FAs, take back no crap contracts unless they expire after next season, and keep losing.

Draft high this year and next, wait for new CBA and cap, rebuild then. Anyone who thinks the likes of Schmaltz, Hino, DeBrincat and Hayden are a stellar second generation of players to build around is seriously high. This team needs an enema from the top down.

Watch the Cubs win and #embracethetank.
SteveRain
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL
Joined: 05.07.2010

Mar 23 @ 3:02 PM ET
Sign no big FAs, take back no crap contracts unless they expire after next season, and keep losing.

Draft high this year and next, wait for new CBA and cap, rebuild then. Anyone who thinks the likes of Schmaltz, Hino, DeBrincat and Hayden are a stellar second generation of players to build around is seriously high. This team needs an enema from the top down.

Watch the Cubs win and #embracethetank.

- Return of the Roar


Quietly behind corporations not being able to write off suites and the product on the ice.......you will see an exodus of season ticket holders and McDonough better pray his army of t shirt jerseys can be spun into believing nothing has changed in regards to competitiveness.

Hearing reports of ticket reps not taking no "on renewals" without a fight of programmed talking points, and reasons in writing. Those actions may speak louder then any others and could lead to some changes in the organization.
Matt Ross
Joined: 03.15.2013

Mar 23 @ 3:10 PM ET
Sign no big FAs, take back no crap contracts unless they expire after next season, and keep losing.

Draft high this year and next, wait for new CBA and cap, rebuild then. Anyone who thinks the likes of Schmaltz, Hino, DeBrincat and Hayden are a stellar second generation of players to build around is seriously high. This team needs an enema from the top down.

Watch the Cubs win and #embracethetank.

- Return of the Roar


Have to respectfully disagree with a lot of this.

I'd love for the Hawks to go out and sign a legit defensive-minded blue liner who is a stay-at-home man (if any exist out there). I'm tired of small, puck-moving Defensemen who want to be Forwards instead of playing defense.

I absolutely think the guys you named are pieces that will improve and be pretty key moving forward, they just need more seasoning. Especially Big John. I think Hayden is a major part of the future plans--and he should be. Strong, plays physical and has some skill--Hawks don't really have anyone playing this style (it was nice having Wingels, too).

I agree with you on the enema, but for the front office.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Mar 23 @ 3:16 PM ET
Sign no big FAs, take back no crap contracts unless they expire after next season, and keep losing.

Draft high this year and next, wait for new CBA and cap, rebuild then. Anyone who thinks the likes of Schmaltz, Hino, DeBrincat and Hayden are a stellar second generation of players to build around is seriously high. This team needs an enema from the top down.

Watch the Cubs win and #embracethetank.

- Return of the Roar


As long as we are tied to the core albatross contracts, signing big name FA's will not be an option. We have to rely on astute drafting and recruiting and hope for compliance buyouts. Hopefully we do not lose more young talent because we cannot afford it along the way.
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

Mar 23 @ 3:33 PM ET
Why would some take a picture of him at the moment he is getting a rectal exam? Oh yea, it was Mario taking it, in his basement.
- powerenforcer

🤣🤣🤣
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 23 @ 3:50 PM ET
hold on there...where did you get that information


- bogiedoc



Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Mar 23 @ 3:55 PM ET
1. Rasmus Dahlin, D, 6'2", 183 lbs.
The consensus number 1 pick. Supposedly has every tool imaginable for a young defenseman. Has been called everything from Karlsson to Lidstrom. There's Dahlin, then there's everyone else... according to one scout. His offensive capabilities are known, he's great at opening up lanes, can shoot, and has pinpoint passing.
How is his defense? From what I've watched: crafty.
He's not the fastest in the league, or necessarily the strongest at 18 (that could change). But he does seem to have tricks up his sleeve: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE3xSRjfDkg

He can skate the puck out of trouble, and can use moves that most forwards would use in a breakaway scenario to do it. This is on large euro rinks with lesser opponents, but it speaks to his confidence. A lot of these tricks will likely diminish once he reaches the NHL.

He uses his left skate to drag along the ice and change his angle when skating, making him hard to defend through the neutral zone and skating in from the point.

There isn't much evidence of him making contact, which probably puts many Hawks fans on edge while thinking of the 'no hit' Hawks of the last few seasons. He is still growing though, and putting more meat on a 6'2" frame could lead to more step-ups like this: https://www.youtube.com/w...tch?v=OMig8EbUFx8#t=2m45s

His strongest attributes seem to be puck-handling, and navigating the neutral zone.
His room for improvement will likely be: adjusting to smaller ice, heavier play.

Best case scenario: Erik Karlsson
Worst case scenario: Nick Leddy
Plausible scenario: Oliver Ekman-Larsson

- ObeseOprah

Thanks for putting this together! I enjoy reading summaries like this and particularly like the comparables you provided at the bottom, especially how you break it down by best case scenario, worst case scenario, and plausible scenario. I know this is time consuming, but look forward to reading others you have time to do.

I know the chances of the Hawks drafting him are slim to none, but if they did and he reaches his potential, that's the future Keith replacement.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 23 @ 3:57 PM ET
Thanks for putting this together! I enjoy reading summaries like this and particularly like the comparables you provided at the bottom, especially how you break it down by best case scenario, worst case scenario, and plausible scenario. I know this is time consuming, but look forward to reading others you have time to do.

I know the chances of the Hawks drafting him are slim to none, but if they did and he reaches his potential, that's the future Keith replacement.

- AEL_Fox



If by "slim to none" you mean 100% then you are correct.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Mar 23 @ 4:48 PM ET

John Tavares come on down.....

- BGKarras


They have the money. They have all the monies if they move Hossa's deal and come off AA with out taking a lot back.

They can do some serious stuff this off season.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Mar 23 @ 4:51 PM ET
Sign no big FAs, take back no crap contracts unless they expire after next season, and keep losing.

Draft high this year and next, wait for new CBA and cap, rebuild then. Anyone who thinks the likes of Schmaltz, Hino, DeBrincat and Hayden are a stellar second generation of players to build around is seriously high. This team needs an enema from the top down.

Watch the Cubs win and #embracethetank.

- Return of the Roar


Cap goes to 80 and they move Hossa they have 17 mildo to play with. Just sign Tavares and win now while Keith and Seabrook aren't completely useless.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Mar 23 @ 4:51 PM ET
My own work, just from reading reports about him and watching video. The youtube clips I'm linking are just to provide some evidence for certain plays. Let me know if you want to take a whack at one of these, I imagine it will get less fun after Dahlin, Zadina, Svechnikov.
- ObeseOprah



Then - Well Done!!!
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