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Justin Lowe
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Mar 16 @ 8:58 AM ET
Justin Lowe: So I Was Wrong I will always admit when I'm wrong. If you ask my wife, that's a lot of the time.

I thought a young, promising Swedish goalie was a sneaky good pickup by Stan Bowman when Anton Forsberg was acquired as a minor piece in a larger trade with Columbus.

I might have been wrong in thinking that.
gnosox1986
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 01.25.2012

Mar 16 @ 9:16 AM ET
First!

Thanks for the great work JL!
StLBravesFan
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Mar 16 @ 9:21 AM ET
While being concerned about his numbers, I'm more concerned about the type and timing of a lot of the goals that Forsberg (AND Berube AND Glass) give up.

The late third period game-tying goal; the first period goal shortly after his team scores a goal that gives the Hawks the lead or gets them back in the game; the goals allowed in quick succession - one/two/three in a short period of time....

And the softness of so many of the goals.

The "not Crawfords" that have been in net for Chicago this year seem all to have the ability to scramble to make excellent save on difficult shots, and can play excellently for reasonably long periods of a game.

But at some point they give up a bad goal or two (or three) that turns a game around, that just sucks the life out of the Indianheads in front of him.

Quality NHL goalies don't do much of the above.
RaleighHawk
Joined: 03.29.2016

Mar 16 @ 9:24 AM ET
So out of Murphy, Gus, Oesterle, Ruuta, which two are worth keeping? They cannot get rid of four, but hopefully at least two of these names are not on the starting roster next year. Is Gus worth keeping as a #6 due his his ability to help the powerplay?
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Mar 16 @ 9:27 AM ET
i'm don't have a strong feel for which goalie will wind up sticking like I did with Crawford (when all my friends were calling him Crapford). But the one thing the hawks have going for them now that they didn't have back then is Jimmy Waite. He ought to be the one who makes that decision.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Mar 16 @ 9:44 AM ET
forsberg has some significant positioning and technical issues...this could and should get fixed with coaching, practice and playing time. However would have expected the improvement to come as he got more of the net.

berube has shown more consistency and was quite good in relief although the jets had it on cruise control the last 2 periods...

the first goal he gave up was deflected off of murphys stick...those are tough for goalies...

the 2nd goal was a defensive clown show resulting in another tap in open net...

but the team in front of them has really played poorly in front of them..

berube should get the majority of games...

forsberg should end up rock vegas or another jersey come camp next year...
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
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Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 16 @ 9:53 AM ET
Justin Lowe: So I Was Wrong
I will always admit when I'm wrong. If you ask my wife, that's a lot of the time.

I thought a young, promising Swedish goalie was a sneaky good pickup by Stan Bowman when Anton Forsberg was acquired as a minor piece in a larger trade with Columbus.

I might have been wrong in thinking that.

- Justin Lowe



It appears that the Forsberg/Motte part of the deal didn't work out for either side. I'd like to see Stan upgrade the back-up goalie next season, especially if the defense will remain mostly the same. There's not a lot in the UFA market that would be a slam dunk improvement. Maybe Khudobin or Hutchinson could be good options. Raanta and Hutton will likely like for more money and starts than Chicago can offer. Bernier's had a good season but might cost too much.
DarthKane
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Mar 16 @ 9:55 AM ET
So out of Murphy, Gus, Oesterle, Ruuta, which two are worth keeping? They cannot get rid of four, but hopefully at least two of these names are not on the starting roster next year. Is Gus worth keeping as a #6 due his his ability to help the powerplay?
- RaleighHawk



Sadly it appears the Hawks will keep all 4. I'd keep Murphy, I think he's got the highest potential of all of them. At best I'd keep one other as the 7D.
scott.jackson
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Location: Georgian Bluffs, ON
Joined: 06.24.2014

Mar 16 @ 9:56 AM ET
Quotes aren't working


In response to (RaleighHawk) - I would keep Murphy and Gus out of the four you suggest. I think Gus would be a good third pair with a stay at home defenseman as his partner. He has a booming shot that he gets on the net more times than not and his pinches have cost us, but with a good stay at home defenseman he could put up 40-50 points a year as long as he gets PP time.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Mar 16 @ 10:03 AM ET
It appears that the Forsberg/Motte part of the deal didn't work out for either side. I'd like to see Stan upgrade the back-up goalie next season, especially if the defense will remain mostly the same. There's not a lot in the UFA market that would be a slam dunk improvement. Maybe Khudobin or Hutchinson could be good options. Raanta and Hutton will likely like for more money and starts than Chicago can offer. Bernier's had a good season but might cost too much.
- DarthKane

The Swedish Sieve belongs in the minors or the SEL or KHL. He has been given ample opportunity this season and for every good outing there has been 3 or 4 bad ones. He can argue that the team plays poorly in front of him but the reality of the situation is that the team knows they can't and won't win most nights with him between the pipes.
fattybeef
Joined: 05.04.2010

Mar 16 @ 10:06 AM ET
Rutta at over 2 million is stupid money.

Same for Gus at 1.2 or whatever that is. They could have easily qualified him for less and its not like he was going to go anywhere else.

That 2.5 million there could really biff them unless one or both of those guys are throw ins for summer deals.
scott.jackson
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Mar 16 @ 10:06 AM ET
The Swedish Sieve belongs in the minors or the SEL or KHL. He has been given ample opportunity this season and for every good outing there has been 3 or 4 bad ones. He can argue that the team plays poorly in front of him but the reality of the situation is that the team knows they can't and won't win most nights with him between the pipes.
- RickJ


I agree
scott.jackson
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Mar 16 @ 10:07 AM ET
Rutta at over 2 million is stupid money.

Same for Gus at 1.2 or whatever that is. They could have easily qualified him for less and its not like he was going to go anywhere else.

That 2.5 million there could really biff them unless one or both of those guys are throw ins for summer deals.

- fattybeef



I think the Rutta will be part of a deal this summer.
ChicagoHope
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Lyndon, IL
Joined: 08.13.2007

Mar 16 @ 10:20 AM ET
Forsberg would be much better if he had a defense that was actually NHL worthy. I think he would be a fine backup if the Hawks defense was even remotely like it has been for the last 10 years. Does he give up some bad goals? Yes, but I do not think he is NHL starter worthy, but I do know one thiong the Hawks did win a Stanley Cup with Niemi in 2010. Unfortunately, Forsberg joined the Hawks as their decline was clarly evident, so I do think it is unfair to label him as not good, when the team in front of is not good either.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Mar 16 @ 10:32 AM ET
Forsberg would be much better if he had a defense that was actually NHL worthy. I think he would be a fine backup if the Hawks defense was even remotely like it has been for the last 10 years. Does he give up some bad goals? Yes, but I do not think he is NHL starter worthy, but I do know one thiong the Hawks did win a Stanley Cup with Niemi in 2010. Unfortunately, Forsberg joined the Hawks as their decline was clarly evident, so I do think it is unfair to label him as not good, when the team in front of is not good either.
- ChicagoHope


To a certain extent yes...but, Forsberg has had too many goals like the first one last night. Niemi played pretty well especially in the regular season and Shark series in 2010 and he relived a guy who was also letting in some crazy stinkers (Huet).

While the defense hasn't been good, Forsberg's been worse and is just proving the point that Crow was the team's MVP before going down.
Feds91Stammer
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Tatar Fan Boy, FL
Joined: 02.01.2012

Mar 16 @ 10:33 AM ET
Howard 50% retained for a 2nd.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
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Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 16 @ 10:35 AM ET
Howard 50% retained for a 2nd.
- Feds91Stammer



Howard 50% retained for Rutta
Feds91Stammer
Vegas Golden Knights
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Joined: 02.01.2012

Mar 16 @ 10:42 AM ET
Howard 50% retained for Rutta
- DarthKane

Hard pass on the 28 year old okayish D man.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Mar 16 @ 10:46 AM ET
Rutta at over 2 million is stupid money.

Same for Gus at 1.2 or whatever that is. They could have easily qualified him for less and its not like he was going to go anywhere else.

That 2.5 million there could really biff them unless one or both of those guys are throw ins for summer deals.

- fattybeef


StanBo inexplicably gave Rutta $2.25M to re-sign. For that kind of money shouldn’t he be showing he is an effective NHL D-Man? This contract just seems to have no basis.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
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Mar 16 @ 10:48 AM ET
Hard pass on the 28 year old okayish D man.
- Feds91Stammer



You're being generous.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Mar 16 @ 10:50 AM ET
To a certain extent yes...but, Forsberg has had too many goals like the first one last night. Niemi played pretty well especially in the regular season and Shark series in 2010 and he relived a guy who was also letting in some crazy stinkers (Huet).

While the defense hasn't been good, Forsberg's been worse and is just proving the point that Crow was the team's MVP before going down.

- HawkintheD


You can’t blame the D for a goalie allowing in cheap goals. Cheap goals destroy a team and can destroy or swing momentum.
Feds91Stammer
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Tatar Fan Boy, FL
Joined: 02.01.2012

Mar 16 @ 10:51 AM ET
You're being generous.
- DarthKane

Didn't want to be the guy that calls everybody on other teams a bum
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Mar 16 @ 10:57 AM ET
3 or more goals against in 24/36 games since craw went down..
5 or more in 9 games...
7-10-2 vs central teams with 7 remaining
RaleighHawk
Joined: 03.29.2016

Mar 16 @ 11:02 AM ET
Sadly it appears the Hawks will keep all 4. I'd keep Murphy, I think he's got the highest potential of all of them. At best I'd keep one other as the 7D.
- DarthKane


Sounds reasonable but if they keep all four look for another high draft pick next year because they might be in the bottom 5.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Mar 16 @ 11:08 AM ET
3 or more goals against in 24/36 games since craw went down..
5 or more in 9 games...
7-10-2 vs central teams with 7 remaining

- bogiedoc


So that's 16 standings points out of a possible 38. Nobody ever makes the playoffs in the Central with that record. Gonna take a couple of years.
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