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DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 6 @ 12:06 PM ET
Can Gus ever become a solid #4? If not, that's an expensive 5-7.
- RaleighHawk



I think ~ $1.2 - $1.25 is a fair price for a 5 - 7 D. Maybe Gus develops into a second pairing, but I don't see that at this point.
gmurban
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Charlottesville, VA
Joined: 04.08.2008

Mar 6 @ 12:07 PM ET
Here's something I've been wondering. If SB is let go, would anyone pick him up? And if someone does, is it to pick HIM or to get Scotty? What's Stan's credit level in the league?
- resqmed99



Scotty is much less of a factor now. He's well into his 80s and doesn't travel much. He was an asset for the Hawks in 2015 SCF, only because he lives in FL and saw most of the Bolts home games that season. There is no longer a perceived "2 for 1" value to hiring Stan.

EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 6 @ 12:08 PM ET
I think ~ $1.2 - $1.25 is a fair price for a 5 - 7 D. Maybe Gus develops into a second pairing, but I don't see that at this point.
- DarthKane


It certainly looks better than paying a 5D $6.8mil until he's 40.
tyweb69
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.02.2012

Mar 6 @ 12:16 PM ET
Here's something I've been wondering. If SB is let go, would anyone pick him up? And if someone does, is it to pick HIM or to get Scotty? What's Stan's credit level in the league?
- resqmed99


I think CBJ offering a 3rd pick for AA AND retained salary says everything you need to know about SB's credit level.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 6 @ 12:22 PM ET
I think CBJ offering a 3rd pick for AA AND retained salary says everything you need to know about SB's credit level.
- tyweb69



Just because that's what CBJ asked for that doesn't mean Stan lacks respect with the other GMs. I know Stan has made some poor decisions, but I wouldn't tie this one reported trade offer to his credibility.
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Mar 6 @ 12:22 PM ET
It certainly looks better than paying a 5D $6.8mil until he's 40.
- EnzoD


And we wonder why this team is going nowhere.

F grade on that one Mr Bowman.

powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Mar 6 @ 12:28 PM ET
I think CBJ offering a 3rd pick for AA AND retained salary says everything you need to know about SB's credit level.
- tyweb69


No, I think that says everything you need to know about the guy who offered that deal. He would have made that no matter who the GM is.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Mar 6 @ 12:28 PM ET
I think CBJ offering a 3rd pick for AA AND retained salary says everything you need to know about SB's credit level.
- tyweb69


No, I think that says everything you need to know about the guy who offered that deal. He would have made that no matter who the GM is.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Mar 6 @ 12:49 PM ET
It certainly looks better than paying a 5D $6.8mil until he's 40.
- EnzoD


And precisely the reason why the rest of the defence is being filled with $1M support players.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Mar 6 @ 12:52 PM ET
What are the odds Tyler Sikura and his contract end up in the ECHL immediately after brother Dylan signs somewhere else?
Cmonalready
Joined: 07.02.2012

Mar 6 @ 12:54 PM ET
Man, starting to look at next year's roster, there is some room for optimism. I think I've read somewhere that $80m salary cap is possible.

Starting with this core:
9 forwards, $36.3m: Kane, Toews, AA, Saad, Schmaltz, Kampf, Hino, Duclair, Wingels. (I assume Duclair, Wingels and Hino all signed at $800k-$1.2m each)
5 D, $18m: Dunc, Seab, Murphy, Oesterle, Gus.
2 G, $6.75m: Craw and Forsling.

Assumes we've traded Hossa's contract.
$61m, 16 players.
Add 4 more players at $1m each to get to 20.
Then at $65m for 20 players, it leaves us about $5m each to add 3 players.
I would say a power forward left wing, a #2/#3 Center who could win draws, and a D.
How would you feel about 2018 season if the hawks could add a 1st pair level D, a strong 2-way C, and a left wing for Kaner?
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Mar 6 @ 12:55 PM ET
Man, starting to look at next year's roster, there is some room for optimism. I think I've read somewhere that $80m salary cap is possible.

Starting with this core:
9 forwards, $36.3m: Kane, Toews, AA, Saad, Schmaltz, Kampf, Hino, Duclair, Wingels. (I assume Duclair, Wingels and Hino all signed at $800k-$1.2m each)
5 D, $18m: Dunc, Seab, Murphy, Oesterle, Gus.
2 G, $6.75m: Craw and Forsling.

Assumes we've traded Hossa's contract.
$61m, 16 players.
Add 4 more players at $1m each to get to 20.
Then at $65m for 20 players, it leaves us about $5m each to add 3 players.
I would say a power forward left wing, a #2/#3 Center who could win draws, and a D.
How would you feel about 2018 season if the hawks could add a 1st pair level D, a strong 2-way C, and a left wing for Kaner?

- Cmonalready


You're giving up something big to get rid of Hossa's contract.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 6 @ 12:58 PM ET
You're giving up something big to get rid of Hossa's contract.
- BINGO!


Coach Q + Hossa's contract are a package deal
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Mar 6 @ 12:58 PM ET
What are the odds Tyler Sikura and his contract end up in the ECHL immediately after brother Dylan signs somewhere else?
- 67hawks



Why would that happen? Tyler has played well in Rockford, why wouldn't he stick there?
tyweb69
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.02.2012

Mar 6 @ 12:59 PM ET
You're giving up something big to get rid of Hossa's contract.
- BINGO!


Not necessarily. If the cap goes up that much so does the floor and there may be a few cap floor teams willing to add that cap hit. The Hawks are not looking down the barrel of a gun like years past.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 6 @ 1:01 PM ET
Man, starting to look at next year's roster, there is some room for optimism. I think I've read somewhere that $80m salary cap is possible.

Starting with this core:
9 forwards, $36.3m: Kane, Toews, AA, Saad, Schmaltz, Kampf, Hino, Duclair, Wingels. (I assume Duclair, Wingels and Hino all signed at $800k-$1.2m each)
5 D, $18m: Dunc, Seab, Murphy, Oesterle, Gus.
2 G, $6.75m: Craw and Forsling.

Assumes we've traded Hossa's contract.
$61m, 16 players.
Add 4 more players at $1m each to get to 20.
Then at $65m for 20 players, it leaves us about $5m each to add 3 players.
I would say a power forward left wing, a #2/#3 Center who could win draws, and a D.
How would you feel about 2018 season if the hawks could add a 1st pair level D, a strong 2-way C, and a left wing for Kaner?

- Cmonalready



Evander Kane has been an absolute monster for San Jose. But why would StanBo ever want a big, fast, goal scoring power forward??? He's way too abrasive and tough to play against for Stanley's NCHL (No Contacdt Hockey League) team.
Cmonalready
Joined: 07.02.2012

Mar 6 @ 1:02 PM ET
You're giving up something big to get rid of Hossa's contract.
- BINGO!


I disagree. Only $1m in actual cost. $5m in cap value. I don't think it will cost much at all to trade that contract to a cap floor team.
Hawks_49
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 04.28.2015

Mar 6 @ 1:05 PM ET
You're giving up something big to get rid of Hossa's contract.
- BINGO!


That's not true.

They can just hold onto him and place him on LTIR and get that cap space anyways if they can't find a trading partner.

However, Datsyuk was traded to Arizona for a swap of picks... 16 for 20 and 53 and he was owed more money in that one season than Hossa is owed the rest of his deal.

Dave Bolland was traded with Lawson Crouse to the Coyotes in exchange for a 3rd round pick and a conditional 2nd round pick.

The narrative that the Hawks will have to give up an important asset to move the Hossa contract is off base.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Mar 6 @ 1:05 PM ET
Not necessarily. If the cap goes up that much so does the floor and there may be a few cap floor teams willing to add that cap hit. The Hawks are not looking down the barrel of a gun like years past.
- tyweb69


Should the cap go up to $80, that would bring the floor up to around $60 million.

The Hurricanes (new billionaire owner) and Coyotes are the only teams below that so far, both by less than $2 million.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Mar 6 @ 1:06 PM ET
I disagree. Only $1m in actual cost. $5m in cap value. I don't think it will cost much at all to trade that contract to a cap floor team.
- Cmonalready


There's only one cap-floor team.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Mar 6 @ 1:09 PM ET
That's not true.

They can just hold onto him and place him on LTIR and get that cap space anyways if they can't find a trading partner.

However, Datsyuk was traded to Arizona for a swap of picks... 16 for 20 and 53 and he was owed more money in that one season than Hossa is owed the rest of his deal.

Dave Bolland was traded with Lawson Crouse to the Coyotes in exchange for a 3rd round pick and a conditional 2nd round pick.

The narrative that the Hawks will have to give up an important asset to move the Hossa contract is off base.

- Hawks_49


For a rebuilding/retooling team those picks are assets you probably should keep, no?

Why not just LTIR Hossa again?
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Mar 6 @ 1:11 PM ET
http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...-worst-contract-quagmires
Hawks_49
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 04.28.2015

Mar 6 @ 1:17 PM ET
For a rebuilding/retooling team those picks are assets you probably should keep, no?

Why not just LTIR Hossa again?

- BINGO!


I mentioned they can just LTIR Hossa. It's right there in my post.

The reason I mentioned the trades was to negate your narrative that the Hawks would have to give up something big. Neither of those trades were giving up something big. Detroit moved down 4 picks and gained pick 53 and a prospect, and the Panthers got two picks for Bolland and a bust of a prospect.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Mar 6 @ 1:21 PM ET
I mentioned they can just LTIR Hossa. It's right there in my post.

The reason I mentioned the trades was to negate your narrative that the Hawks would have to give up something big. Neither of those trades were giving up something big. Detroit moved down 4 picks and gained pick 53 and a prospect, and the Panthers got two picks for Bolland and a bust of a prospect.

- Hawks_49


I didn't mean your post specifically, sorry, it was just the easiest to quote.

It just seems unlikely that anyone will be doing Bowman a favour and, honestly, I don't see why the Hawks need or even SHOULD to pursue a trade like that anyway.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Mar 6 @ 1:23 PM ET
The Tank Watch needs upsets tonight (hopefully ours is not one of them)
There are no freebies out there tonight
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