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Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Feb 28 @ 7:08 AM ET
What did Bowman do with the 1diamond he found?
For every Panerin there are 500 vorobievs and Yakupovs!
Hey I hope this works out too, but like most other posters?ya trust Bowman anymore? I don't.

- wonthecup10

Name me a GM that bats 1.000 on drafting, trades and free agent signings.

I question Stanbo just like everyone on his contracts and other moves but, it's the nature of pro sports that you're not going to win every deal. Some GMs however, are better than others at it.

You've got some people here that already have Brady Tkachuk going to the HOF. For all anyone knows, he'll blow out a knee his 1st preseason game and never play again. It's gambling. You're just playing the odds and you try to give yourself as many chances as you can.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Feb 28 @ 7:28 AM ET
No intent for sympathy, but if you were said player, you would want to be paid fairly, with the escalator taken into account.

And, from someone that works in the Hawks front office, Bowman negotiated full well knowing that the cap numbers for Kane, Toews and Seabrook would be very different from what each player would actually be taking home.

Now the point that I argued was if the players had to give back 15 percent of their salaries each year so the escalator would kick in to increase the cap, shouldn't the NHL then use those numbers for each player against each team's cap. I thought it was a simple question - with a very simple answer, but instead I received a very lengthy answer that amounted to nothing more than "it's complicated".

- dahawks8819


Two different issues - the escalator and the escrow.

The former is a way to set a cap higher than the estimated revenues for the coming year would allow, thus giving unsigned players a way to get contracts that perhaps wouldn’t be available (but at the expense of previously signed players on multi-year deals).

The escrow is the way they “true up” player salaries to the mandated 50/50 split.

Since they don’t know the exact amount of HRR until after the season ends, they must estimate the cap during the previous summer (before the FA season starts).

They can’t use the final escrow-eliminated salary numbers to determine the final cap hit of each player (net of the final escrow) because they don’t know what it will be. And - if they did - teams would still be in the same place concerning cap hits because the cap would be lower. The % to the total cap for, say, Toews, Kane, Seabrook - all of the players - would be the same as under the current system - leaving the same % available to get unsigned players, at a lower amount.

The published cap hits - and the cap - are fictitious - turned into fact after the season.

This is the West, sir: when the legend becomes fact - print the legend.

(That has nothing to do with anything - I just love that line).
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Feb 28 @ 7:29 AM ET
Tuffy Rhodes.
- StLBravesFan

For a minute there I thought you meant this guy.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Feb 28 @ 8:02 AM ET
https://www.facebook.com/...videos/10155207783652466/

The next time I see Toews make anything close to a move like this will be the first time since 2015. That's #27 on the year for Kopitar. Bergeron is having an MVP type season for Boston, too. Toews, Bergeron and Kopitar were the best 2-way Centers in the NHL for years. Why is it that Toews is the only one who isn't anymore? That's the 10.5 million dollar question. Until that question is answered or resolved, this team will be a playoff bubble team at best.

- EnzoD

You should have also posted all of the bodychecks Ryan Reaves threw in the 3rd period of that game last night. The sum total was higher than the total for all the Hawks forwards this entire season.
wonthecup10
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 02.05.2008

Feb 28 @ 8:10 AM ET
Name me a GM that bats 1.000 on drafting, trades and free agent signings.

I question Stanbo just like everyone on his contracts and other moves but, it's the nature of pro sports that you're not going to win every deal. Some GMs however, are better than others at it.

You've got some people here that already have Brady Tkachuk going to the HOF. For all anyone knows, he'll blow out a knee his 1st preseason game and never play again. It's gambling. You're just playing the odds and you try to give yourself as many chances as you can.

- Rota's Rooter



Agree with you there my man, but this one here is batting below the Mendoza line if you are using baseball terms.
As far as Brady Tkachuk,Most fans, like myself are going by what they see in the family bloodlines. And scouting reports. Look no further than brother Matthew and daddy. The kid is just what we need a big young powerful forward to complement schmaltz and Debrincat as far as moving into the next era of core players to build around.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Feb 28 @ 8:43 AM ET
Just read about the neck injury thing. Bad timing for the Wings because they could have gotten a nice return for him.
Regarding Tatar it is even more surprising that an expansion team would offer up all those draft picks for a player.

- 67hawks


Vegas has been so conservative, so smart in its approach. A 1st, 2nd and 3rd seemed crazy for Tater. Just because you have stockpiled draft picks doesn’t mean you give them away.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Feb 28 @ 8:45 AM ET
Agree with you there my man, but this one here is batting below the Mendoza line if you are using baseball terms.
As far as Brady Tkachuk,Most fans, like myself are going by what they see in the family bloodlines. And scouting reports. Look no further than brother Matthew and daddy. The kid is just what we need a big young powerful forward to complement schmaltz and Debrincat as far as moving into the next era of core players to build around.

- wonthecup10

Scouting reports I'll give you. Genetics are for thoroughbred horses and dog racing.
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Feb 28 @ 8:46 AM ET
https://www.facebook.com/...videos/10155207783652466/

The next time I see Toews make anything close to a move like this will be the first time since 2015. That's #27 on the year for Kopitar. Bergeron is having an MVP type season for Boston, too. Toews, Bergeron and Kopitar were the best 2-way Centers in the NHL for years. Why is it that Toews is the only one who isn't anymore? That's the 10.5 million dollar question. Until that question is answered or resolved, this team will be a playoff bubble team at best.

- EnzoD


You seem to forget Kopitars 12 goals last year and Kopitar and Bergeron with multiple 45-55 point seasons. Toews puts that up and everyone screams. Kopitar and Bergeron have had “down” seasons before but they are still considered the best 2-way centers but Toews isn’t? Smh
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Feb 28 @ 9:11 AM ET
Scouting reports I'll give you. Genetics are for thoroughbred horses and dog racing.
- Rota's Rooter


Tkachuk may be a nice player but he is not a guaranteed great player. I don’t see the Hawks moving up in the First Round unless they can move to 1 or 2 maybe 3 and Tkachuk would not be taken there. Better to scout very well and use both draft choices.


Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Feb 28 @ 9:15 AM ET
Hey guys and gals - if you haven't yet, re-read Scott Powers story on Matthew Highmore.

It will be interesting to see if this is just stint with the Hawks or if he plays out the season. I have only watched a little bit of him, but what I have seen has been good. Not crazy flashy, but a real smart 2-way player.


https://theathletic.com/1...-making-early-impression/


Here's an excerpt from the article:

Highmore has also been touted for his defense. He was compared to former Blackhawks center Phillip Danault by his Sea Dogs coach last season.
Matthew Highmore has been playing center for the Rockford IceHogs. (Courtesy of the Rockford IceHogs)

Last season, Blackhawks director of player recruitment Ron Anderson also touched on what the organization had seen in Highmore to sign him.

“What I like about him is the ability in his game, he’s a solid, solid defensive player,” Anderson said in March. “The reason for that is he’s such a smart player on both sides of the puck. He reads the ice. He makes good decisions. He reads plays. He understands the game. So he knows where to be, when to be there. He knows how to play with the puck, without the puck, in his end, in the offensive zone, through the neutral zone. He’s a smart player. You factor in that he’s defensively responsible and the fact he’s skilled and productive, he’s a pretty good player."
Tyler Cameron
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 10.31.2017

Feb 28 @ 9:20 AM ET
RE: Hartman and Wingels

Honestly, these guys just joined new teams, those teams gunning to contend for a cup this year. After Wingels and Hartman dealt with the deadline day shock of being traded, their emotions would have shifted to prepping for the playoff grind.

No one should be surprised they came out and had really strong games. Both will immediately want to show their new teammates that they will go through a wall for them.

I wouldn't base Bowman's trades on 1-game each for these guys. We'll have to wait to see how it plays out in the long-term.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Feb 28 @ 9:22 AM ET
Vegas has been so conservative, so smart in its approach. A 1st, 2nd and 3rd seemed crazy for Tater. Just because you have stockpiled draft picks doesn’t mean you give them away.
- Z3Hawk


Just as baffling for me is that salary retention favour they handed the Pens. Is there a future handshake favour in this? What is in it for Vegas -Reeves at this inflated salary when you include Brassard's salary or is there something else?

EDIT: Reeves also could be playing for someone else next year as he is a UFA while Vegas is still paying part of Brassard's salary. Baffling!
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Feb 28 @ 9:24 AM ET
Hey guys and gals - if you haven't yet, re-read Scott Powers story on Matthew Highmore.

It will be interesting to see if this is just stint with the Hawks or if he plays out the season. I have only watched a little bit of him, but what I have seen has been good. Not crazy flashy, but a real smart 2-way player.


https://theathletic.com/1...-making-early-impression/


Here's an excerpt from the article:

Highmore has also been touted for his defense. He was compared to former Blackhawks center Phillip Danault by his Sea Dogs coach last season.
Matthew Highmore has been playing center for the Rockford IceHogs. (Courtesy of the Rockford IceHogs)

Last season, Blackhawks director of player recruitment Ron Anderson also touched on what the organization had seen in Highmore to sign him.

“What I like about him is the ability in his game, he’s a solid, solid defensive player,” Anderson said in March. “The reason for that is he’s such a smart player on both sides of the puck. He reads the ice. He makes good decisions. He reads plays. He understands the game. So he knows where to be, when to be there. He knows how to play with the puck, without the puck, in his end, in the offensive zone, through the neutral zone. He’s a smart player. You factor in that he’s defensively responsible and the fact he’s skilled and productive, he’s a pretty good player."

- Justin Lowe

Another one of those undrafted free agents that Hawks scouting seems to find?
VopatsRash
Nashville Predators
Joined: 07.06.2013

Feb 28 @ 9:25 AM ET
Hartman What team gives up on a young cost controlled player?

I'm sure you will get a great player with the 30th pick. Preds did last year.
It's fun to have nothing to look forward to other than the draft, right?
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Feb 28 @ 9:27 AM ET
Just as baffling for me is that salary retention favour they handed the Pens. Is there a future handshake favour in this? What is in it for Vegas -Reeves at this inflated salary when you include Brassard's salary or is there something else?
- 67hawks


And remember also how Vegas was bending people over the barrel to NOT take their players and how teams typically struggle to trade players, even good ones, when those trades are about clearing salary....then Vegas happily took MAF's salary off their hands. yes I know Fluery is a solid goalie, but teams looking to get cap relief like the Pens were last year almost always have to give away something. Not Pittsburgh. Then eating Brassards salary under the auspices of keeping him away from Winnipeg...all of this just stinks.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Feb 28 @ 9:27 AM ET
Hartman What team gives up on a young cost controlled player?

I'm sure you will get a great player with the 30th pick. Preds did last year.
It's fun to have nothing to look forward to other than the draft, right?

- VopatsRash


I finally found a post of yours that I can actually agree with.
35Tony0
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Feb 28 @ 9:31 AM ET
RE: Hartman and Wingels

Honestly, these guys just joined new teams, those teams gunning to contend for a cup this year. After Wingels and Hartman dealt with the deadline day shock of being traded, their emotions would have shifted to prepping for the playoff grind.

No one should be surprised they came out and had really strong games. Both will immediately want to show their new teammates that they will go through a wall for them.

I wouldn't base Bowman's trades on 1-game each for these guys. We'll have to wait to see how it plays out in the long-term.

- Justin Lowe

No doubt. And not long after this comment, the preds troll comes here and puts out the comment that definitively proves yours!
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Feb 28 @ 9:39 AM ET

Interesting chart I came across.
hawk66
Joined: 12.13.2012

Feb 28 @ 9:44 AM ET
I finally found a post of yours that I can actually agree with.
- 67hawks

Win at least one Stanely cup then you can come to site and troll
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Feb 28 @ 9:58 AM ET
Hartman What team gives up on a young cost controlled player?

I'm sure you will get a great player with the 30th pick. Preds did last year.
It's fun to have nothing to look forward to other than the draft, right?

- VopatsRash


Oh it is going to be a much higher pick than 30th. However, nice to see you are a realist to some degree as you acknowledge that if Preds somehow get to the Stanley Cup Final again Preds are losing again. Brilliant.
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Feb 28 @ 10:05 AM ET
Win at least one Stanely cup then you can come to site and troll
- hawk66


??????
hocktock
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Over by dere.
Joined: 07.15.2015

Feb 28 @ 10:13 AM ET
Hartman What team gives up on a young cost controlled player?

I'm sure you will get a great player with the 30th pick. Preds did last year.
It's fun to have nothing to look forward to other than the draft, right?

- VopatsRash


You should know.

Also too, we're trying to get back to a place you ain't never been.
wonthecup10
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 02.05.2008

Feb 28 @ 10:18 AM ET
Hartman What team gives up on a young cost controlled player?

I'm sure you will get a great player with the 30th pick. Preds did last year.
It's fun to have nothing to look forward to other than the draft, right?

- VopatsRash



What is the name of the player that the Pred’s drafted with their high pick last summer?

I am sure Ryan Hartman will turn out to be a nice player for you guys for a long time, what I am puzzled about is that our coach constantly cries about not having enough dirty, greasy goals, and net presence, and the one player that is willing to do it, he benches .Make no mistake when we won those three Stanley cups we had enough players to put the dirty work in and get those type of goals, that’s what it takes to win. Just puzzled at what their mission is now.
Colbyboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Summerside , PEI
Joined: 12.14.2013

Feb 28 @ 10:22 AM ET
This was posted on the last blog.....


Ok, I'm sorry, but I have to jump in on all this Hartman love - and revisionist history about him.

While his rookie year did show promise, he took a major step back this past summer - mainly dropping 10+ pounds - thinking he could be more effective as a speedy skilled forward. And while it was reported that he did this under team management's request, that was nothing more than spin control.

The organization saw him as a replacement for Shaw, but wanted him to make his living around the net, not trying to out skate defenders - which was never his forte - especially after the knee injury he suffered before the draft.

The thought that he became a prima donna coming into camp this past fall is not completely untrue - he did think a summer working with Kane, Schmaltz and Hinostroza would improve his offensive skills, but that was not what the team needed from him. And it's the main reason he was up and down the lineup all season. And it's been said that he was telling some people that Quenneville did this to him to keep his scoring down - so they wouldn't have to pay him as much this off season.

If there is a split in the locker room, I think Quenneville mentioning the other night that money plays may be the leading factor to that split. It's hard to justify benching young players for mistakes, but allowing veterans to make the same mistakes, only to see no decrease in minutes or nights dressing for that matter.

That can definitely split a locker room, but this would not be the first year it has happened here. Quenneville has always had his favorites, and played them over better choices - look no further than #32 in the past, and #10 this year.

And while most people here keep complaining about the deal for Timmonen, Quenneville, the other coaches, and every player in that locker room respected Kimmo, and wanted to see him raise that cup in his final year. That's why he was played, and why they traded for him - not because Bowman was being an idiot - teams and players around the league thought it was a very classy move.

And most people here keep complaining about the contracts for Seabrook, Toews and Kane. What most of you don't take into consideration is each player gives back 15-20 percent of their gross income each year for the 5% escalator. And Hawk management, the agents and the players all took this into consideration when each deal was negotiated. So the next time you complain about these contracts, just remember that Seabrook only sees about $5.85 a year before taxes. Kane and Toews see about $8.9 a year. When you take the escalator into account, you can see that they don't actually get the dollars which hit the cap - which is something I asked about, but never did get a straight answer - basically was told it's "complicated".

Another point, I did speak to someone within the organization - they are playing up the loss of Crawford big time for the team's current standing. But something else was also mentioned - people don't realize just how big of a loss Hossa is - especially for how much of the ice in front of Crawford he defended for 18+ minutes a night. He made life a LOT easier for the defensemen when he was out there - and as a unit, they are missing him more than any of us know.

Also, another thing most of us don't take into account is just how many new and inexperienced faces are in this lineup from even just two years ago. Yes, we all clamor for in his prime Andrew Shaw, but those days are over, and they do miss a player like him. Also, most here screamed about how much Kruger was paid, but you really forget how important he was in both of his Cup runs, especially in 2015 - helping to shut down Anaheim's best scoring lines. Without him, they would not have advanced. And in his prime - scoring 30+ goals a season Patrick Sharp made things a lot easier on that first line for Toews and Hossa - that too has not been replaced. Saad helped in 2015, but he was never that great finisher that Sharp was.

And one last thing - for all of you clamoring for a rebuild - just ask the Edmonton fans how that is going. This year will be their 28th rebuilding and retooling year without a cup, and that's with McDavid still only 21. And you can bet the Hawks will NEVER get the ping pong ball luck the Oilers have seen during this decade - and even with it, Edmonton still can't get it right.

So be careful what you wish for............

- dahawks8819


I think we all realize young players make mistakes & the team misses Crawford and
Hossa.

I don’t care about payments into the Escalator fund - it’s the same for every team.

Just wished 7 and 19 play better next year regardless of what they are paid.
bhawk1s
Joined: 06.27.2014

Feb 28 @ 10:23 AM ET
RE: Hartman and Wingels

Honestly, these guys just joined new teams, those teams gunning to contend for a cup this year. After Wingels and Hartman dealt with the deadline day shock of being traded, their emotions would have shifted to prepping for the playoff grind.

No one should be surprised they came out and had really strong games. Both will immediately want to show their new teammates that they will go through a wall for them.

I wouldn't base Bowman's trades on 1-game each for these guys. We'll have to wait to see how it plays out in the long-term.

- Justin Lowe


Huh, And here I thought last nights performances just showed how much talent is on the hawks roster, Our leftovers are stars on other teams
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