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tyweb69
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.02.2012

Feb 26 @ 9:03 PM ET
Um Pronger deal. Kovalchuk. Weber. GM’s did figure it out but I’m sure there were many owners that wanted nothing to do with it because regardless of the cap savings that is some serious coin to spend. Oh and both Hossa and a Keith were signed BEFORE any cup was one.
- tyweb69

And the gm’s knew those deals were BS. Uncle Lou was heard moments before the Kovalchuk deal that those deals should be outlawed. The league stepped in and made them restructure it. Still front loaded but not as blatantly bad as the original that had Kovy making 500k the last 4 years or something.
dpard
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: My preferred gender pronoun is "Corn Pop"
Joined: 04.18.2011

Feb 26 @ 9:04 PM ET
Um Pronger deal. Kovalchuk. Weber. GM’s did figure it out but I’m sure there were many owners that wanted nothing to do with it because regardless of the cap savings that is some serious coin to spend. Oh and both Hossa and a Keith were signed BEFORE any cup was one.
- tyweb69

Bzzzzzz.
Kovi deal was voided.
I was pointing to the twins....
Still waiting for list of star players signing cheap deals after winning cups, or sent packing.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Feb 26 @ 9:12 PM ET
Look they were good deals, great cap hits. But let’s not go stroking his shlong over deals any gm could have made. You and I could have made those deals. I’m not a Bowman hater but I’m not a lover either. I’d say he’s middle of the road, at best. Let’s put it another way, I’m willing to bet, quite a lot, that Stan will never hold another head GM position once he’s relieved of this one.
- tyweb69


I just said I thought they were good deals and gave Stan credit...talk about going from 0 to 60 in a heartbeat.

I like how giving Stan credit for anything or providing some context gets you labelled an apologist, lover or whatever on this site.

Unless you're playing coy, I know I'm not an NHL GM and my educated guess says neither are you. So, no, you and I could not have made those deals.
shidler
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: chicago, IL
Joined: 12.09.2015

Feb 26 @ 9:34 PM ET
I honestly don't know how the Hawks will ever replace Hartsy's 10 goals and 40 dumb penalty minutes.

Hawks got a futures deal here. They traded a bottom 6 winger with propensity for dumb penalties. The prospect is doing quite well in the Swedish elite league and the extra first gives the team another shot at another prospect or a potential to trade up in the draft.

To get a chance at Dahlin or Tkachuk (sp) I'd move Hartman in a NY minute.

- kwolf68


Hartmans was a good gritty kid and he was misused. According to Stan press conference, many teams were after Hartman. It just happens Predators gave us the best offer. I guess there is higher premium trading to your rivals. Hartman with his style will be a force for Predators.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Feb 26 @ 9:38 PM ET
Hartmans was a good gritty kid and he was misused. According to Stan press conference, many teams were after Hartman. It just happens Predators gave us the best offer. I guess there is higher premium trading to your rivals. Hartman with his style will be a force for Predators.
- shidler


While I don't mind the trade, if these trades Stan is making do and keep back firing he'll sow the seeds of his own fate.

All this bickering about Stan will be solved in the next 1-3 years...he either gets this team back on the right track or the Hawks become a total bottom feeder. That will be the proof of his competence or lack thereof.

I am fine with this trade and even fine with Saad and Murphy trades at this point. I like to give things time to sort out.

poop I was even fine with the Kimo trade until I saw Petry go for a #2 and saw that Kimo was completely finished and somehow Stan and staff did not do their due diligence on him. It was actually sad watching Kimo that year. Win or lose the Cup that was a poop trade. Just like the Ladd trade I still think was a good deal even though the Hawks did not win the Cup.
Davewn
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: West Des Moines, IA
Joined: 12.16.2015

Feb 26 @ 9:39 PM ET
I just said I thought they were good deals and gave Stan credit...talk about going from 0 to 60 in a heartbeat.

I like how giving Stan credit for anything or providing some context gets you labelled an apologist, lover or whatever on this site.

Unless you're playing coy, I know I'm not an NHL GM and my educated guess says neither are you. So, no, you and I could not have made those deals.

- HawkintheD


It's not just Stan, Q too. There is an amazing lack of recognition for this organization's achievements on all levels on this board- it's as if any stiff with a pulse could have coached and managed this team and roster to 3 Cups this decade. Pretty remarkable, really.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Feb 26 @ 9:40 PM ET
"Stanley Bowman is the best/worst/average GM!" -every poster on this blog.

Doesn't matter what I or any of us think about his overall body of work bc the team he built, which was supposed to compete for the Cup every year (#OneGoal), is dead last in the division and hoping to win the Draft Lottery. People can spin it any way they like and deflect blame onto Q, Bettman, Tallon, McDonagh or Santa Clause. Bottom line is that the GM and Coach have the most direct impact on the product put on the ice, and I'd argue both have failed miserably. If it were my organization, both would be fired. But, I expect Bowman to be safe bc of his Daddy, and Q to be the sacrificial lamb.

This team still needs a 1RD, 2RD, 3LD, 1RW and a 2G. (Realistically they need a better 1C too) That, ladies and germs, is what you call a rebuilding team that won't sniff another Cup for quite some time. That's the reality of the situation as I see it. Feel free to agree or disagree, as is the purpose of this forum.
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Feb 26 @ 9:40 PM ET
I don't know anything about the players involved, but did we get a better return for Hartman, than Buffalo got for Kane?
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Feb 26 @ 9:41 PM ET
Hartmans was a good gritty kid and he was misused. According to Stan press conference, many teams were after Hartman. It just happens Predators gave us the best offer. I guess there is higher premium trading to your rivals. Hartman with his style will be a force for Predators.
- shidler



I am just so confused. If Q is the greatest coach around (because he is a hall-of-fame coach), how will Torts use him and develop him better? Don't forget, he will be watching the biggest hack on skates (Subban) on a daily basis. He may turn into a bigger hack than he already is.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 26 @ 9:42 PM ET
He's worked himself into a pretty good situation there hasn't he. But that aside I'm trying to figure out what he wants with (according to many on this board) a useless overpaid penalty machine who does nothing good and ruins every chance to win a game like Hartman. In spite of the golden situation Poile has created for his team he must be really dumb right? It must be all luck because he no doubt couldn't be any good just because he wins 95% of these deals could he?
- Savoy


You win a lot of deals when you are constantly selling instead of giving up assets to win a cup. There big splash was Turris, finally and then the fool signs him for $6 mil per and it looks like his best years are already behind him. Let's see last year's deadline deals were impact players like Fiddler and Parenteau. This year Ryan Hartman? If they don't win this year this organization will be viewed as a failure. I'd rather give up 1sst and 2nd rounds picks and win SC then constantly be so close but yet so far.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Feb 26 @ 9:43 PM ET

I don't mind getting two number 1 picks, the recent past has been pretty good.

Seven picks, 6 of them wins. Trouble is, only 2 remain.

2017: Henri Jokiharu (29)
2016: None
2015: None
2014: Nick Schmalz (20)
2013: Ryan Hartman (30)
2012: Teuvo Teravainen (18)
2011: Mark McNeill (18)
2011: Phillip Danault (26)
2010: Kevin Hayes (24)
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 26 @ 9:56 PM ET
I don't mind getting two number 1 picks, the recent past has been pretty good.

Seven picks, 6 of them wins. Trouble is, only 2 remain.

2017: Henri Jokiharu (29)
2016: None
2015: None
2014: Nick Schmalz (20)
2013: Ryan Hartman (30)
2012: Teuvo Teravainen (18)
2011: Mark McNeill (18)
2011: Phillip Danault (26)
2010: Kevin Hayes (24)

- kwolf68


Hmmm and we have 2 first round picks? Not bad
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Feb 26 @ 10:00 PM ET
Hmmm and we have 2 first round picks? Not bad
- BetweenTheDots


Yep. The track record is very good of late for first round picks. Im not going to get into/bash guys being moved and Hayes wasn't anything we could do anything about.
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Feb 26 @ 10:07 PM ET
I’ve heard (through many layers of the grapevine so take it with a big grain of salt) that Crawford could very well be done. To your point many have said the lights are on but it seems like nobody is home. I hope that is not the case for not only the teams sake but more importantly his. I think this summer’s moves (ie does Stan trade for a goalie) will validate or debunk that theory.
- tyweb69



The fact they immediately made it sound he was going to be out a long time from Day 1 was concerning. Having 2 guys that need to go on LTIR at 11.5 Mil is going to be really hard to use.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Feb 26 @ 10:15 PM ET
I don't mind getting two number 1 picks, the recent past has been pretty good.

Seven picks, 6 of them wins. Trouble is, only 2 remain.

2017: Henri Jokiharu (29)
2016: None
2015: None
2014: Nick Schmalz (20)
2013: Ryan Hartman (30)
2012: Teuvo Teravainen (18)
2011: Mark McNeill (18)
2011: Phillip Danault (26)
2010: Kevin Hayes (24)

- kwolf68


just for the hell of it; here are preds picks:

2017: Eeli Tolvanen (30)
2016: Dante Fabbro (17)
2015: None
2014: Kevin Fiala (11)
2013: Seth Jones (4)
2012: None
2011: None
2010: Austin Watson (18)
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 26 @ 10:22 PM ET
just for the hell of it; here are preds picks:

2017: Eeli Tolvanen (30)
2016: Dante Fabbro (17)
2015: None
2014: Kevin Fiala (11)
2013: Seth Jones (4)
2012: None
2011: None
2010: Austin Watson (18)

- bogiedoc


Still can't believe Seth Jones fell to them. Traded for Johansen which is is suspect to that injury condition that took him out of the playoffs last year, 7 more years at $8 million

Big swing and a miss by uncle Dale and Yzerman
TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Feb 26 @ 10:27 PM ET
Isn’t it time to stop talking about the core - what’s left of it is really Kane, a diminished Keith and a maybe-finished Crawford. Toews and Seabrook have deteriorated to the point where the is no core there - Toews is still serviceable, but not a top Center in the league; Seabrook should be playing limited minutes at 4-6 D. Neither is coming back to what he was.

So - only two (maybe three) left - problem is none of the others have really been replaced. Schmaltz, AdB May be special going forward, Forsling on defense - but not today.

- StLBravesFan


Your points are valid. I just believe, regardless of my personal preference, I do not see Q as a rebuild type of Coach. On a positive note, as we see by the rise of Boston and Philadelphia, there is a lot of upward mobility in NHL these days. The margins are thin...frustrating....but thin
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Feb 26 @ 10:31 PM ET
Isn’t it time to stop talking about the core - what’s left of it is really Kane, a diminished Keith and a maybe-finished Crawford. Toews and Seabrook have deteriorated to the point where the is no core there - Toews is still serviceable, but not a top Center in the league; Seabrook should be playing limited minutes at 4-6 D. Neither is coming back to what he was.

So - only two (maybe three) left - problem is none of the others have really been replaced. Schmaltz, AdB May be special going forward, Forsling on defense - but not today.

- StLBravesFan


toews and serviceable in the same phrase...wow think about that
Hawkytalk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Frankfort, IL
Joined: 06.26.2012

Feb 26 @ 10:33 PM ET
"Stanley Bowman is the best/worst/average GM!" -every poster on this blog.

Doesn't matter what I or any of us think about his overall body of work bc the team he built, which was supposed to compete for the Cup every year (#OneGoal), is dead last in the division and hoping to win the Draft Lottery. People can spin it any way they like and deflect blame onto Q, Bettman, Tallon, McDonagh or Santa Clause. Bottom line is that the GM and Coach have the most direct impact on the product put on the ice, and I'd argue both have failed miserably. If it were my organization, both would be fired. But, I expect Bowman to be safe bc of his Daddy, and Q to be the sacrificial lamb.

This team still needs a 1RD, 2RD, 3LD, 1RW and a 2G. (Realistically they need a better 1C too) That, ladies and germs, is what you call a rebuilding team that won't sniff another Cup for quite some time. That's the reality of the situation as I see it. Feel free to agree or disagree, as is the purpose of this forum.

- EnzoD


Nailed it. Great Post.

breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Feb 26 @ 10:42 PM ET
Well now we get a look at Highmore and see what he can do in the NHL.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Feb 26 @ 10:49 PM ET
Nailed it. Great Post.
- Hawkytalk



I can see Forsing and Joki being a top pairing in the next couple of years.

Murphy? If he can remember he's a d man 1st could be a top4 dman

By then Keith and Seabs 3rd pair

I really don't think they are that far away, they've got some intriguing pieces, and most of all these boys need to become men
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Feb 26 @ 11:05 PM ET
one thing is certainly odd about moving hartman:

1. TDL sellers move older players on expiring contracts
2. Hawks want to get younger yet trade a former #1 at the age of 23 who scored 20 goals in his rookie year

stanbow indicated teams were pursuing hartman but offers were underwhelming; preds apparently really wanted him and upped the the bid..

stanbow made the decision the upside on hartman with the hawks did not warrant turning down the preds offer..

also as we all know the hawks are loaded with bottom 6 wingers; thus hartman was expendable for that return...
matt_ahrens
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Carlos, CA
Joined: 06.30.2014

Feb 26 @ 11:48 PM ET
"Stanley Bowman is the best/worst/average GM!" -every poster on this blog.

Doesn't matter what I or any of us think about his overall body of work bc the team he built, which was supposed to compete for the Cup every year (#OneGoal), is dead last in the division and hoping to win the Draft Lottery. People can spin it any way they like and deflect blame onto Q, Bettman, Tallon, McDonagh or Santa Clause. Bottom line is that the GM and Coach have the most direct impact on the product put on the ice, and I'd argue both have failed miserably. If it were my organization, both would be fired. But, I expect Bowman to be safe bc of his Daddy, and Q to be the sacrificial lamb.

This team still needs a 1RD, 2RD, 3LD, 1RW and a 2G. (Realistically they need a better 1C too) That, ladies and germs, is what you call a rebuilding team that won't sniff another Cup for quite some time. That's the reality of the situation as I see it. Feel free to agree or disagree, as is the purpose of this forum.

- EnzoD


who is your 2LD, Oesterle? Forsling?
Jurco is not a 2LW, so the team either needs one of them or a 3LC if they play 88 with 8 and 15.
yeah, rebuilding

interesting that StanBo was asked today if the Cup window had closed and he trie to bypass it by saying he didn't subscribe to the theory of windows. Then he names Tampa Bay as a team that missed the playoffs last year and now they are a top team.

Here's the clip:
https://www.nhl.com/black...re/t-277443408/c-58209903
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Feb 27 @ 12:04 AM ET
who is your 2LD, Oesterle? Forsling?
Jurco is not a 2LW, so the team either needs one of them or a 3LC if they play 88 with 8 and 15.
yeah, rebuilding

interesting that StanBo was asked today if the Cup window had closed and he trie to bypass it by saying he didn't subscribe to the theory of windows. Then he names Tampa Bay as a team that missed the playoffs last year and now they are a top team.

Here's the clip:
https://www.nhl.com/black...re/t-277443408/c-58209903

- matt_ahrens



Lol yeah exactly, basically no 2nd pair whatsoever and half a first pair with Keith and ????? No consistent top line scoring with Toews-Saad and a rotation of RWs. Corey Crawford is probably one more head shot from his career over (if not already past that point...).

Is Anton Forsberg the answer? Can Jokijarju and Forsling be a top pairing? Does this big Swede Center have an NHL impact next year?

WAY too many roster holes, overpaid veterans, and role playing youngsters playing higher in the lineup than they should. IMO, Non-playoff team again next year, barring major changes to personnel.
busmaster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 08.06.2010

Feb 27 @ 12:57 AM ET
Lol yeah exactly, basically no 2nd pair whatsoever and half a first pair with Keith and ????? No consistent top line scoring with Toews-Saad and a rotation of RWs. Corey Crawford is probably one more head shot from his career over (if not already past that point...).

Is Anton Forsberg the answer? Can Jokijarju and Forsling be a top pairing? Does this big Swede Center have an NHL impact next year?

WAY too many roster holes, overpaid veterans, and role playing youngsters playing higher in the lineup than they should. IMO, Non-playoff team again next year, barring major changes to personnel.

- EnzoD


Saad, Panik, and even Toews hasn't looked the part without 81 lighting a fire under them. If we can trade 19 for a bag of pucks and 5mil/yr retained, should do it.
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