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z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Feb 25 @ 6:04 PM ET
we are going to be the same team next year. Needed to be more aggressive with the trade deadline. Sharp in the off season returned SCUDS and a 4th lines. At the trade deadline you get a 1st and a prospect. I think both Q an him need to go. We need someone that understands we are not a few players away. All of the main 4 are either going to be the same or worse next year.
- kmw4631



Maybe we see what happened to LA last year. Both HC and GM sent on their way.
kwolf68
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mt. Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.18.2010

Feb 25 @ 6:06 PM ET
It's possible, even likely, that no one wants any of the Hawks veterans. Too expensive for what they produce. Outside of that, most of them have NTCs anyway. How a market that puts good value on Brassard and Plekanec while appearing to put limited requisite value on Anisimov makes no sense.

Tells me AA isn't going to waive, no one really wants AA, or Blackhawks, Inc. does not want to be part of a "selloff" which lends one to think they are "rebuilding", which may not fit the marketing strategy. Or maybe the Hawks in their arrogance really think they just got "bad breaks" this year, combined with Crow injury and everything otherwise is perfect.
PatShart
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.25.2015

Feb 25 @ 6:08 PM ET
we are going to be the same team next year. Needed to be more aggressive with the trade deadline. Sharp in the off season returned SCUDS and a 4th lines. At the trade deadline you get a 1st and a prospect. I think both Q an him need to go. We need someone that understands we are not a few players away. All of the main 4 are either going to be the same or worse next year.
- kmw4631


You do realize the TDL is tomorrow...and trades can also be made in the off season, right?
z1990z
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NW USA
Joined: 02.09.2012

Feb 25 @ 6:10 PM ET
You do realize the TDL is tomorrow...and trades can also be made in the off season, right?
- PatShart



Yep, but the high value on these trades with the playoffs looming is right now.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 25 @ 6:13 PM ET
We need more than one person over 5 foot 9 but I agree pass on Stewart, I hope that stuff with the flyers works out those sound like 2 nice big defenseman
- wonthecup10

Those two big Flyers dmen are not projected to be anything but third pair type. If they were better at least one of them would be in Philly now. Dmen need time to develop anyways. Do not trade away an asset like Hartman for a,team of third line or third pair dmen. Don't kid yourself Hartman has value. We shouldn't trade him unless it is in a trade for a difference maker. Therefore for a while I have suggested an attempt to move to the first few slots in the draft insofar as to draft difference maker Dahlin or Tzachuk.

Hartman could be part of the bait to ecchange first round picks. We need to learn the draft order before we make sych a deal.

How the heck else do you obtain new core pieces?

And until Toews and Seabrook play themselves into a compliance buyout, this team Hoover's at .500 at best.

I still believe that eventually Stan has to face the facts and trade one if his young smallish skill forwards for a larger size but essentially a top forward whose game includes grit.

You know it boils down to the ability to make, then advance in playoffs. Need size but moreover grit throughout line up, not only 4th line and one or two dmen.

Both Stan and team need to tough up. Imperative. That we get run out of building like vs Nashville last year is a repeat until we get tougher. And Hayden returns, must stay.
walleyeb1
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Petersburg, IL
Joined: 09.25.2014

Feb 25 @ 6:13 PM ET
Price too high smells like GM afraid to start pulling the trigger on things. Critical trade deadline and off season for Stan.
- z1990z


Sounds like a coach that cut out the GM’s legs by benching his asset.
vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Feb 25 @ 6:15 PM ET
bowman has a knack for trading players to late. Hope he doesn't wait on aa
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Feb 25 @ 6:17 PM ET
tdl deals rarely involve non expiring contracts: nash plekanic will be ufa's

Aa and pacioretty will not...not impossible but more difficult
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Feb 25 @ 6:19 PM ET
AA HAS NMC. WE AIN'T TRADING HIM.
- onehundredlevel


and he has 3 years left on his contract
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 25 @ 6:19 PM ET
It's possible, even likely, that no one wants any of the Hawks veterans. Too expensive for what they produce. Outside of that, most of them have NTCs anyway. How a market that puts good value on Brassard and Plekanec while appearing to put limited requisite value on Anisimov makes no sense.

Tells me AA isn't going to waive, no one really wants AA, or Blackhawks, Inc. does not want to be part of a "selloff" which lends one to think they are "rebuilding", which may not fit the marketing strategy. Or maybe the Hawks in their arrogance really think they just got "bad breaks" this year, combined with Crow injury and everything otherwise is perfect.

- kwolf68


Stan us not totally stupid or without a clue. ? I want to know this: did he take Saad back more as a,way just to unload Panarin? It was billed as a Toews plays well with Saad. But behind closed doors,I do not think Stan thinks he wins with a Panarin despite Panarin great skill. He might be right. Panarin, his team, his coach will combine to prove this right or wrong.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 25 @ 6:23 PM ET
and he has 3 years left on his contract
- bogiedoc

On high side for dollars, average to slow skater may catch up to him and he is injured each season once or twice. Trade him now SINCE WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN PLAYOFFS ANYWAY. If you refute this, I am watching for convincing details why not to move him sooner the better
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Feb 25 @ 6:25 PM ET
The Jets don't need much other than maybe another goaltender and they aren't willing to give any of their kids away for dirt cheap. AA too slow for how they play. Thought they might sniff around for somebody like Tanner Kero (or wishful thinking Chris DiDomenico). Them and Nashville are the class of the Central and probably the entire West.
- RickJ


Curious your thoughts on Winnipeg as I'm sure you watch them. Hard not to like this team and IMO they can win the whole thing this yr, but is the clock ticking? The excellent bottom 6 centerman Lowry is injured. Was out a month, came back for 2-3 games, and is down again.

Wheeler a UFA in 19
Laine an RFA in 19
Lowry an RFA in 18
Enstrom a UFA in 18 (although he's making 5.7 now and they can lose that if they choose)
Trouba and RFA in 18
Hellboy an RFA in 18
Ehlers signed long term and next yr his hit kicks in at 6 mil

My point is if you're Peg do you treat this yr, this TDL, as all in? They have 5.7 in cap space but are gonna have some big boys needing paid over the next 2 yrs. I'm not pushing AA here, just wondering your thoughts on the urgency they should show?

Their C depth, and they have to wonder if Lowry is gonna stay dinged until he gets a full offseason.

Scheifele
Little
Lowry
Hendricks
Copp


vandymeer23
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IA
Joined: 10.11.2014

Feb 25 @ 6:25 PM ET
Sounds like a coach that cut out the GM’s legs by benching his asset.
- walleyeb1

I get benching a player for a couple of shifts but sitting a player the whole game for one mistake is asinine. It makes your players gun shy. Q has worn out his welcome I truly thank he's been really lucky with his coaching gigs. With the blues and avs. then the hawks were loaded when he can in.
Hawkster
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Quebec , QC
Joined: 06.13.2008

Feb 25 @ 6:26 PM ET
A team who is dead last in their division and who will be missing the playoffs is a team who should be dealing and shaking things up!

Staying Status quo is not a formula to rectifying a stale product.

Sigh.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 25 @ 6:26 PM ET
Curious your thoughts on Winnipeg as I'm sure you watch them. Hard not to like this team and IMO they can win the whole thing this yr, but is the clock ticking? The excellent bottom 6 centerman Lowry is injured. Was out a month, came back for 2-3 games, and is down again.

Wheeler a UFA in 19
Laine an RFA in 19
Lowry an RFA in 18
Enstrom a UFA in 18 (although he's making 5.7 now and they can lose that if they choose)
Trouba and RFA in 18
Hellboy an RFA in 18
Ehlers signed long term and next yr his hit kicks in at 6 mil

My point is if you're Peg do you treat this yr, this TDL, as all in? They have 5.7 in cap space but are gonna have some big boys needing paid over the next 2 yrs. I'm not pushing AA here, just wondering your thoughts on the urgency they should show?

Their C depth, and they have to wonder if Lowry is gonna stay dinged until he gets a full offseason.

Scheifele
Little
Lowry
Hendricks
Copp

- Mr Ricochet

What is in the future for Lemiuex. Compared to Hartman whom do you like more. That is, their ceiling.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Feb 25 @ 6:28 PM ET
Those two big Flyers dmen are not projected to be anything but third pair type. If they were better at least one of them would be in Philly now. Dmen need time to develop anyways. Do not trade away an asset like Hartman for a,team of third line or third pair dmen. Don't kid yourself Hartman has value. We shouldn't trade him unless it is in a trade for a difference maker. Therefore for a while I have suggested an attempt to move to the first few slots in the draft insofar as to draft difference maker Dahlin or Tzachuk.

Hartman could be part of the bait to ecchange first round picks. We need to learn the draft order before we make sych a deal.

How the heck else do you obtain new core pieces?

And until Toews and Seabrook play themselves into a compliance buyout, this team Hoover's at .500 at best.

I still believe that eventually Stan has to face the facts and trade one if his young smallish skill forwards for a larger size but essentially a top forward whose game includes grit.

You know it boils down to the ability to make, then advance in playoffs. Need size but moreover grit throughout line up, not only 4th line and one or two dmen.

Both Stan and team need to tough up. Imperative. That we get run out of building like vs Nashville last year is a repeat until we get tougher. And Hayden returns, must stay.

- jhawk59

Agree for example say hino for in opinion what big forward would trade for a tom Wilson type player would be what i m looking for
BobP.
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 12.29.2010

Feb 25 @ 6:30 PM ET
A team who is dead last in their division and who will be missing the playoffs is a team who should be dealing and shaking things up!

Staying Status quo is not a formula to rectifying a stale product.

Sigh.

- Hawkster


THIS !! Without a doubt!
BGKarras
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 06.19.2012

Feb 25 @ 6:31 PM ET
A team who is dead last in their division and who will be missing the playoffs is a team who should be dealing and shaking things up!

Staying Status quo is not a formula to rectifying a stale product.

Sigh.

- Hawkster

Agreed but remember that We Like Our Team... Ugh
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Feb 25 @ 6:35 PM ET
If Stan can't get anything done then he should be done. You would think he has been taking to the cleaners every year at this time over the he last 6 years maybe he could have learned something.
- scott.jackson


Not defending Bowman, but realistically we picked a bad time to be sellers. Teams with UFA's that can make an impact are laughing. We do not have anything like that to sell and to make a trade just for the sake of making one is not smart asset management either.
Z3Hawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.04.2017

Feb 25 @ 6:35 PM ET
A team who is dead last in their division and who will be missing the playoffs is a team who should be dealing and shaking things up!

Staying Status quo is not a formula to rectifying a stale product.

Sigh.

- Hawkster


I said the same thing - an awful season should not lead the team to stand pat or in this case stan pat.
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Feb 25 @ 6:39 PM ET
On high side for dollars, average to slow skater may catch up to him and he is injured each season once or twice. Trade him now SINCE WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN PLAYOFFS ANYWAY. If you refute this, I am watching for convincing details why not to move him sooner the better
- jhawk59


it could be teams don't want him with 3 years left..or finding the right fit of players and contract; that is tougher than the trading card GM's here think
bogiedoc
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: VA
Joined: 09.27.2011

Feb 25 @ 6:41 PM ET
Not defending Bowman, but realistically we picked a bad time to be sellers. Teams with UFA's that can make an impact are laughing. We do not have anything like that to sell and to make a trade just for the sake of making one is not smart asset management either.
- 67hawks


been trying to say that...but the trader tommies hear have it all figured out..

AA had an expiring contract...he most likely would be moved...
pdx2ord
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Portland, OR
Joined: 09.02.2015

Feb 25 @ 6:43 PM ET
Hawks prospect - some of you will probably fall in

https://twitter.com/Patri...status/967566670792396800
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Feb 25 @ 6:47 PM ET
What is in the future for Lemiuex. Compared to Hartman whom do you like more. That is, their ceiling.
- jhawk59


Claude's boy. I don't know 59, I can't say I've seen him play although he had 10 USHL games before going the Major Junior route. We know he has the genes to be a certifiable nut hits machine: http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=177647

I think I like Hartman more than most. Think as a Shaw type he has a much higher ceiling than Shaw and we saw how effective he was. Asked at JJ's new digs if Hartman reached a ceiling of 125 hits, agitates, adds sandpaper to a lineup, solid skater, 20 goals, 45-50 points is he a role player or fringe core guy?
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Feb 25 @ 6:47 PM ET
Agree for example say hino for in opinion what big forward would trade for a tom Wilson type player would be what i m looking for
- Scott1977

An inexpensive way to "find" a Tom Wilson "type" would be to draft kids who are still developing and maybe still have some room to grow more physically. Extra draft choices allows you to draft more players, therefore increasing odds some of them work out. Anyone with size and a bit of grit plus top end skill is round one and gobbled up. Try to find someone with later picks. We have lots of players now who were later picks but most are not physical type players
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