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Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Nov 21 @ 11:33 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 11/22/17 @ NYI, Wrap: Canucks Crush Flyers, 5-2
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Nov 22 @ 12:20 AM ET
I have been very dissapointed in Raffl this year regardless of what line he is playing on. He loses more puck battles then he wins, and just turns the puck over and seems to bring nothing offensively to that 4th line where he is the one who should produce some offense. Not that he should be totally singled out.

Here is the thing regarding Hakstol, HE is not getting the YOUNG talent to work with when instead he is getting the likes of Weise, Lehtera, Manning, Read, Amac to work with. Hexy needs to bring in the young guys, see what they got and see if Hakstol can work with them and start seeing progression. If he does not in the time allotted, boot his ass to the curb and find someone who can. Thats the bottom line.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Nov 22 @ 12:24 AM ET
That second goal against was totally on Weal, not getting the puck in deep and turning it over at the Canucks blue line as the flyers defense were changing. It is true, small details like that right now are being magnified as huge brain farts with this team.
tocchettough
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ottawa, ON
Joined: 04.16.2016

Nov 22 @ 12:40 AM ET
A nice experiment would have been schenn centering g and couts centering jake. Schenn and couts would be a nice 1c 2c with Patrick supporting.
Damn hind sight
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Nov 22 @ 12:41 AM ET
That second goal against was totally on Weal, not getting the puck in deep and turning it over at the Canucks blue line as the flyers defense were changing. It is true, small details like that right now are being magnified as huge brain farts with this team.
- Buzzo


You wonder why JB didn't sign him and chose Gagner instead.

Just want to know who took Nucker101's avatar bet for this game? Contact Leftcoaster on Canucks thread.
joegreif17
Location: Hockeyville, BC
Joined: 05.10.2009

Nov 22 @ 1:34 AM ET
A nice experiment would have been schenn centering g and couts centering jake. Schenn and couts would be a nice 1c 2c with Patrick supporting.
Damn hind sight

- tocchettough


I could have told you trading Schenn was a huge mistake. Who is going to replace his 17 pp goals, it will not be Simmonds unless somebody cuts that 300 pound cement block he seems to skating with, wow is he useless. Schenn another 4 points tonite and 19 points in the last 8 games. I really do not think this team will change until Hakstol and Hextall are sent packing. How can Flyer fans accept being arguably the worst team in the nhl, statistically I believe they are dead last. How can Hakstol especially keep his job, the players need a new leader because the passing and finishing is worse than the AHL. Watching this shat show makes me so happy for a guy like Schenn to espcape and certainly have the last laugh. Trading him for a couple futures and not even locks to make the nhl is absurd, Hextall saying we have Lindblom coming, well he will be back in Sweden before you know it. Giroux, Voracek, Couter, Provorov and Gost are the only players capable of making any offence, the rest is all trash. Bye Hakstol, your days are numbered.
ICUBB
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.03.2013

Nov 22 @ 1:48 AM ET
So far this season Manning has taken 7 penalties. 1 hook, 2 holds, 3 slashes, 1 interference and the result is 5 power play goals against while serving. That's a 71% conversion rate for the other team. Keep taking those lazy penalties bro.
joenardonesson
Location: toronto, ON
Joined: 06.21.2013

Nov 22 @ 1:48 AM ET
A nice experiment would have been schenn centering g and couts centering jake. Schenn and couts would be a nice 1c 2c with Patrick supporting.
Damn hind sight

- tocchettough


rather have the picks
joenardonesson
Location: toronto, ON
Joined: 06.21.2013

Nov 22 @ 1:52 AM ET
I could have told you trading Schenn was a huge mistake. Who is going to replace his 17 pp goals, it will not be Simmonds unless somebody cuts that 300 pound cement block he seems to skating with, wow is he useless. Schenn another 4 points tonite and 19 points in the last 8 games. I really do not think this team will change until Hakstol and Hextall are sent packing. How can Flyer fans accept being arguably the worst team in the nhl, statistically I believe they are dead last. How can Hakstol especially keep his job, the players need a new leader because the passing and finishing is worse than the AHL. Watching this shat show makes me so happy for a guy like Schenn to espcape and certainly have the last laugh. Trading him for a couple futures and not even locks to make the nhl is absurd, Hextall saying we have Lindblom coming, well he will be back in Sweden before you know it. Giroux, Voracek, Couter, Provorov and Gost are the only players capable of making any offence, the rest is all trash. Bye Hakstol, your days are numbered.
- joegreif17


too long. tough to read. gave up after the third sentence.
Beatle_john
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Corner of Kirk Maclean's Toe and Robert Reichel's face.
Joined: 01.09.2006

Nov 22 @ 2:54 AM ET
Do you think the Eastern Teams overlook Vancouver? There seems to be a pattern and quite frankly, your radio broadcasters tonight made so many mistakes when discussing the Canucks it should have been a drinking game.
Skinner
Joined: 11.12.2015

Nov 22 @ 3:33 AM ET
I'd let Sanheim have a game off, bad change cost us a goal, bad penalty as well, never wins a battle in our end he's not ready , bring in Morin.
wbon22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.21.2008

Nov 22 @ 6:21 AM ET
That game was ugly.

The Flyers did do a lot with speed. Not all of it was good.

I agree that Hakstol is being charged with developing youth but given retreads to work with. Some of that is contracts, but only some.

Gudas and Amac can not be so vital that the team defense just imploded without them? Frankly, I would rather never see Gudas in a Flyers sweater again.

It stinks when you knew the season would be challenging and you were correct.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 22 @ 6:23 AM ET
The team constantly sits back after scoring a goal

The team does little to nothing when a teammate is accosted

The PK has been poor for years

The team plays with no passion until late in the game when it's often too late

Hard not to put a good portion of the blame on the coach for the above.


And on the GM:

Team keeps plugging in players who contribute next to nothing while not even considering bringing up players who are playing well at LHV to replace them

Not making a change re the PK coach

Questionable judgement in regards to the usefulness of veteran NHL players/poor FA signings.

Hiring a coach with zero pro experience and not at the very least, giving him an assistant coach with HC experience at the NHL level.

Right now the players are what they are. Your core players, with the exception of Simmonds (who needs to sit and get healthy) are playing pretty well. It's the combo of mediocre vets and the expected rookie miscues that are killing this team right now. Getting AMac back may help, but the issues re the coach will still be there.

Hextall still gets high marks for drafting, cap management and getting value for fading vets/moving bad contracts. He needs to do better though when it comes to trades, FA and especially in the NHL pro scouting dept and in his choice of coach.

The coach needs to go. You can't fire/trade 15 or so players, so axing the HC is about all you have left. There are unemployed coaches out there with NHL experience or who are currently working as assistants. Pick one and make a change.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 22 @ 7:24 AM ET
My observations:

- After some games looking like he might break out Simmonds didn't look great. Is it me or can he not handle the puck right now at all!?!? It's like a hand grenade on his stick.

- Weal isn't bring what he did early on. He had a bad turnover last night. And he just isn't creating in the offensive zone.

- This team is night and day from the beginning of the season. In the beginning they were fast through the neutral zone, heavy on the forecheck and played an in your face style. Now they seem to sit back and you don't see anyone other then a few finishing checks.

- Rafll needs to go back to the Laughton line.

- I saw the Alt was leaving the rink with bag and sticks. Looks like Morin could be on his way. I know Morin isn't the guy to singlehandly change this team but maybe this teams needs a little attitude added.

- The team needs to get back to what was working. The need to play with that attitude and speed when they looked fast to start the season.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Nov 22 @ 7:28 AM ET
The team constantly sits back after scoring a goal

The team does little to nothing when a teammate is accosted

The PK has been poor for years

The team plays with no passion until late in the game when it's often too late

Hard not to put a good portion of the blame on the coach for the above.


And on the GM:

Team keeps plugging in players who contribute next to nothing while not even considering bringing up players who are playing well at LHV to replace them

Not making a change re the PK coach

Questionable judgement in regards to the usefulness of veteran NHL players/poor FA signings.

Hiring a coach with zero pro experience and not at the very least, giving him an assistant coach with HC experience at the NHL level.

Right now the players are what they are. Your core players, with the exception of Simmonds (who needs to sit and get healthy) are playing pretty well. It's the combo of mediocre vets and the expected rookie miscues that are killing this team right now. Getting AMac back may help, but the issues re the coach will still be there.

Hextall still gets high marks for drafting, cap management and getting value for fading vets/moving bad contracts. He needs to do better though when it comes to trades, FA and especially in the NHL pro scouting dept and in his choice of coach.

The coach needs to go. You can't fire/trade 15 or so players, so axing the HC is about all you have left. There are unemployed coaches out there with NHL experience or who are currently working as assistants. Pick one and make a change.

- BiggE



I don't think this needs to happen. The beginning of the season this team looked fast and played aggressive.

Also I think IF he was to be fired, I have a sneaking suspicion that Knoblauch is the coach in waiting.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Nov 22 @ 7:50 AM ET
I'd let Sanheim have a game off, bad change cost us a goal, bad penalty as well, never wins a battle in our end he's not ready , bring in Morin.
- Skinner


Sanheim has been winning most of his battles in the defensive zone for weeks. The other stuff -- bad penalty, bad changes -- happens sometimes. Last night wasn't his best game, despite making a good play on the rush that led to Voracek's goal.



MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Nov 22 @ 7:54 AM ET
What I saw last night was a bunch of guys freewheeling. They were going hard doing it, but they looked like they were all on different pages, not playing as a team in all three zones.

While it is a player's decision to do that stuff, it is also on the coach to put a stop to it. Sadly three games in 4 nights doesn't present the best opportunity to get back on the practice ice and reinforce the systems play.

I am not going to go down the "fire the coach" route just yet. But as much as the players need to start performing, especially anyone not named Couturier, Giroux, Voracek, Provorov, and to a lesser extent Ghost (who I thought had a decent game last night). These are pros, the coach should never have to motivate them to put out effort. But what IS his job is to make sure they are all playing the way he wants them to play. Right now, I don't see that as the case. Hak needs to straighten that out or he needs to go.

Weise, Lehtera, Raffl are all useless and we have better options in Lehigh for all three (don't bother to argue that point). This season would be the perfect time to get them up and see what they can do because there is no cup coming this season and there never was.

WTF is wrong with Simmonds? He gets the benefit of the doubt from all of us because we know what kind of player he is. He HAS to be hurt. And if he is, get him off the ice and let him heal. This team can not afford to allow him to turn in to the new Matt Read. A guy who we could pencil in for 15-20 goals before he got hurt, tried to play through it, and was never the same afterwards.

Comon Hexy, you know what you need to do.



MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 22 @ 8:06 AM ET
I could have told you trading Schenn was a huge mistake. Who is going to replace his 17 pp goals, it will not be Simmonds unless somebody cuts that 300 pound cement block he seems to skating with, wow is he useless. Schenn another 4 points tonite and 19 points in the last 8 games. I really do not think this team will change until Hakstol and Hextall are sent packing. How can Flyer fans accept being arguably the worst team in the nhl, statistically I believe they are dead last. How can Hakstol especially keep his job, the players need a new leader because the passing and finishing is worse than the AHL. Watching this shat show makes me so happy for a guy like Schenn to espcape and certainly have the last laugh. Trading him for a couple futures and not even locks to make the nhl is absurd, Hextall saying we have Lindblom coming, well he will be back in Sweden before you know it. Giroux, Voracek, Couter, Provorov and Gost are the only players capable of making any offence, the rest is all trash. Bye Hakstol, your days are numbered.
- joegreif17



How can Simmonds possibly come up when talking about replacing Schenn's PP production when he already plays on the first PP unit?

What statistics are you referring to that has them dead last in the NHL?
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Nov 22 @ 8:07 AM ET
I got a chuckle out of Carchidi’s article about last nights game, “the game showcased why Hastol was successful at the U of ND. The man could recruit (in reference to Hakstol recruit Brock Boeser’s two goals)”
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Nov 22 @ 8:10 AM ET
How can Simmonds possibly come up when talking about replacing Schenn's PP production when he already plays on the first PP unit?

What statistics are you referring to that has them dead last in the NHL?

- MJL



The statistic of trading away the one player who would have guaranteed you a Stanley Cup this season?

(Im just shooting blindly here)
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 22 @ 8:12 AM ET
You wonder why JB didn't sign him and chose Gagner instead.

Just want to know who took Nucker101's avatar bet for this game? Contact Leftcoaster on Canucks thread.

- Nuck4U

Because he re-signed with the Flyers
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 22 @ 8:12 AM ET
If I was Hextall I would not let the current state of the team change my process and philosophy on developing younger players. I would not bring up a young player based on what do we have to lose, you never know, or it can't be worse and place them on a team that is dysfunctional right now. That would be a mistake. If I thought a young player was NHL ready or real close, and that they might be able to help then I would do so.

If this team doesn't come out tonight with a burr under their saddles then there is a real problem.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Nov 22 @ 8:16 AM ET
What I saw last night was a bunch of guys freewheeling. They were going hard doing it, but they looked like they were all on different pages, not playing as a team in all three zones.

While it is a player's decision to do that stuff, it is also on the coach to put a stop to it. Sadly three games in 4 nights doesn't present the best opportunity to get back on the practice ice and reinforce the systems play.

Comon Hexy, you know what you need to do.

- MBFlyerfan


Certainly free wheeling...lots of shots from the point. Felt the like 2016 Flyers
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Nov 22 @ 8:17 AM ET
10 losses in the last 13 games. Basically this has been the worst team in the NHL over the last 5 weeks.

Schenn tearing it up in St. Louis only underlines the lack of secondary scoring. I get Schenn wasn't producing at this level for the Flyers, but you really have to bring a cap anchor in Lehtera back as part of the deal? Really?

This team is pretty much putting an unwatchable product on the ice.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Nov 22 @ 8:17 AM ET


Mark alt cleaned out his locker so you're either seeing a recall for someone else or MacDonald activated
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