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ToddCordellVAN
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 09.04.2013

Jul 17 @ 12:50 PM ET
HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Biggest surprises of the off-season?
Avsrchamps01
Joined: 06.27.2012

Jul 17 @ 12:52 PM ET
The Hawks should have kept Hjalmarsson and dealt Seabrook imo. Lower cap hit and younger player.
ToddCordellVAN
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 09.04.2013

Jul 17 @ 12:53 PM ET
The Hawks should have kept Hjalmarsson and dealt Seabrook imo. Lower cap hit and younger player.
- Avsrchamps01


Agreed
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 17 @ 12:59 PM ET
HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Biggest surprises of the off-season?
- ToddCordellVAN

This hotstove is scalding hot.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 17 @ 1:06 PM ET
The Hawks should have kept Hjalmarsson and dealt Seabrook imo. Lower cap hit and younger player.
- Avsrchamps01



Believe that was what they hoped to do—under the radar, not publicized, but . . .
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Jul 17 @ 1:10 PM ET
The Hawks should have kept Hjalmarsson and dealt Seabrook imo. Lower cap hit and younger player.
- Avsrchamps01


And sent him to Edmonton (if the smoke was true that these teams were in talks)
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 17 @ 1:11 PM ET
I meant to chime in on this one but didn't get my piece in on time.

I was not surprised so much by them dealing Panarin—I had been reporting the possibility for well over a week at that point.

It was Columbus as dance partner (I had heard VGK, Montreal as possible destinations), and in particular, Saad coming back that was really surprising to me.

I was fairly sure Saad was in Columbus longterm.
nyislsbossy
Joined: 05.31.2016

Jul 17 @ 1:12 PM ET
for me it was the caps moving johansson
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 17 @ 1:12 PM ET
And sent him to Edmonton (if the smoke was true that these teams were in talks)
- DeflatedPucks


The one team I heard they definitely talked to re: Seabrook was Vancouver, FWIW. I also heard secondarily (as everyone did) about TOR and EDM, but never directly.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jul 17 @ 1:24 PM ET
definitely Colorado. i don't care if they're tanking. they're sending the message that last season's performance was 100% acceptable by the organization's standards. that's how you build a losing mentality.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jul 17 @ 1:25 PM ET
for me it was the caps moving johansson
- nyislsbossy


that combined with the Kuznetsov signing was the dumbest occurrence of the offseason. it was totally unforced.
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Jul 17 @ 1:25 PM ET
grabovski to Vegas

Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Jul 17 @ 1:26 PM ET
that combined with the Kuznetsov signing was the dumbest occurrence of the offseason. it was totally unforced.
- DoubleDown

7.8 mil cap hit

20 goals
19 goals

DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Jul 17 @ 1:29 PM ET
that combined with the Kuznetsov signing was the dumbest occurrence of the offseason. it was totally unforced.
- DoubleDown


Even more dumb than signing TJ for 8 more years after a career year at the ripe age of 30?
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Jul 17 @ 1:30 PM ET
that combined with the Kuznetsov signing was the dumbest occurrence of the offseason. it was totally unforced.
- DoubleDown


Don't forget signing Oshie for 8 years.
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Jul 17 @ 1:30 PM ET
Even more dumber than signing TJ for 8 more years after a career year at the ripe age of 30?
- DeflatedPucks


Beat me to it!!
weakglovehand
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: under-q's-stash, IL
Joined: 02.27.2007

Jul 17 @ 1:33 PM ET
Pretty sure the Hawks FO tried to move Crow then Seabs to rid the contracts and open the cap. Failing there, Hammer was the next option with any trade value.
I've said for awhile the it was funny that the Hawks had 6M for Panarin but not to keep Saad. The trade was less of a shock, more of a surprise. SB trades Panarin to CBJ for Anisimov and Saad. Good work!

If the Hawks had any depth at center, they could trade AA for a #3D man, but Danault was traded for 2 guys(Fleishman, Weiss) who barely played in the playoffs. A move now that looks more costly.

McNeil was a bust, Hayes never signed, Clendenning was a bust, so an 0 for 4 with 1st round picks. There goes the depth right there.
Lucas Neilson
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Atlantic Division Blogger, ON
Joined: 06.26.2015

Jul 17 @ 1:43 PM ET
Even more dumb than signing TJ for 8 more years after a career year at the ripe age of 30?
- DeflatedPucks

DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Jul 17 @ 1:50 PM ET
Beat me to it!!
- Tonybere


Brian MacLellan had us all beat.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jul 17 @ 1:57 PM ET
Pretty sure the Hawks FO tried to move Crow then Seabs to rid the contracts and open the cap. Failing there, Hammer was the next option with any trade value.
I've said for awhile the it was funny that the Hawks had 6M for Panarin but not to keep Saad. The trade was less of a shock, more of a surprise. SB trades Panarin to CBJ for Anisimov and Saad. Good work!

If the Hawks had any depth at center, they could trade AA for a #3D man, but Danault was traded for 2 guys(Fleishman, Weiss) who barely played in the playoffs. A move now that looks more costly.

McNeil was a bust, Hayes never signed, Clendenning was a bust, so an 0 for 4 with 1st round picks. There goes the depth right there.

- weakglovehand


That, and they traded Teravainen (2012 1st) away to get rid of one of their other gross contracts.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jul 17 @ 1:59 PM ET
That, and they traded Teravainen (2012 1st) away to get rid of one of their other gross contracts.
- BINGO!


Essentially, the majority of the Hawks depth/roll players are in Raleigh now, and the Hawks now have significant cap AND depth issues.

It's the price you pay for a mini dynasty, I suppose.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Jul 17 @ 2:20 PM ET
Pretty sure the Hawks FO tried to move Crow then Seabs to rid the contracts and open the cap. Failing there, Hammer was the next option with any trade value.
I've said for awhile the it was funny that the Hawks had 6M for Panarin but not to keep Saad. The trade was less of a shock, more of a surprise. SB trades Panarin to CBJ for Anisimov and Saad. Good work!

If the Hawks had any depth at center, they could trade AA for a #3D man, but Danault was traded for 2 guys(Fleishman, Weiss) who barely played in the playoffs. A move now that looks more costly.

McNeil was a bust, Hayes never signed, Clendenning was a bust, so an 0 for 4 with 1st round picks. There goes the depth right there.

- weakglovehand


Clendenning was a 2nd rounder and Schmaltz and Hartman are with the big club. Hayes ended up being out out of their control and McNeil was the only one who ended up being a bust...the Danault trade was definitely a bummer at the time and worse in hindsight.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 17 @ 2:29 PM ET
definitely Colorado. i don't care if they're tanking. they're sending the message that last season's performance was 100% acceptable by the organization's standards. that's how you build a losing mentality.
- DoubleDown


blah blah blah

Same recycled narrative that people keep on saying when they will be having 11 guys in this years starting roster that weren't there to start last year.

But sure they havent done any changes. They started to do it at the end of last season. They have been doing things slowly, nothign flashy or big but on paper its a pretty big overhaul

Ghetto Mack Rants
Landy Jost Duchene
Wilson Compher Yak
Nieto Soderberg Grimaldi/Comeau
Colborne

Zads EJ
Barberio Barrie
Mirinov Lindholm/Siemens

Varly
Bernier

Just bc a couple of these guys played 20 some games for the last year doesn't mean they cant be considered part of the change over...the bolded guys are players that have been brought in over the past 12 months and didnt play for the first quater to half of last years season. Nieto and Barbs played b/w 30-40 games for them last year so if you want to get nit picky with that then sure.

a 50% change over in a roster starting from game 48 last year till now...I dont think thats doing nothing. Its not big flashy changes but they have made a lot of moves
hawkeytown
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Park Ridge, IL
Joined: 06.23.2015

Jul 17 @ 2:39 PM ET
One important factor not to overlook in the Hammer vs Seabs debate is right handed vs Left handed shot. Hawks have a surplus of lefties but few righties. I can't help but think this played a role, especially having lost TVR, their only other starting righty next to Seabrook.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jul 17 @ 2:40 PM ET
blah blah blah

Same recycled narrative that people keep on saying when they will be having 11 guys in this years starting roster that weren't there to start last year.

But sure they havent done any changes. They started to do it at the end of last season. They have been doing things slowly, nothign flashy or big but on paper its a pretty big overhaul

Ghetto Mack Rants
Landy Jost Duchene
Wilson Compher Yak
Nieto Soderberg Grimaldi/Comeau
Colborne


Zads EJ
Barberio Barrie
Mirinov Lindholm/Siemens

Varly
Bernier

Just bc a couple of these guys played 20 some games for the last year doesn't mean they cant be considered part of the change over...the bolded guys are players that have been brought in over the past 12 months and didnt play for the first quater to half of last years season. Nieto and Barbs played b/w 30-40 games for them last year so if you want to get nit picky with that then sure.

a 50% change over in a roster starting from game 48 last year till now...I dont think thats doing nothing. Its not big flashy changes but they have made a lot of moves

- DDM-Coga


true but thats still a terrible roster
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