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Jared Crozier
Ottawa Senators
Location: Gatineau, QC
Joined: 09.26.2014

Feb 22 @ 10:51 AM ET
Jared Crozier: Anderson & undermanned Senators get two points in Jersey
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Feb 22 @ 11:49 AM ET
The team played really well, especially despite our top players being out. However this isn't sustainable, especially with trade deadline coming up, I still think we're going to need to make some moves.

Bring in some more core players and build our team to a cup contender.
Brzlnut
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.18.2016

Feb 22 @ 12:08 PM ET
The team played really well, especially despite our top players being out. However this isn't sustainable, especially with trade deadline coming up, I still think we're going to need to make some moves.

Bring in some more core players and build our team to a cup contender.

- Maverick1818


Unless the Sens are willing to part with Chabot and/or White they will NOT get any "core" players in any trade. Prospect pool is pretty thin after those two... I like the Sens, lived in Ottawa for a bit but the miss-management of assets has been horrific for years. They have a decent team, no need to blow it up since they aren't close to contend for a Cup. Uncle Eugene loves his playoffs tho, that's where he really cashes in
maaddmike
Joined: 08.08.2006

Feb 22 @ 12:19 PM ET
Saw this in the NJ blog about last night's game:

The Devils won the shot attempt battle 36-6(!) and the scoring chance battle 16-1(!!!) with Cody Ceci on the ice at 5v5. That's as bad of a stat line as I've seen all season. Remember that time the Lightning wanted Ceci for Jonathan Drouin and the Sens wouldn't pull the trigger?

Glad to see I am not the only one noticing just how atrocious Ceci's play is. If teams are asking to include him in a deal for a top 6 forward I sure hope Dorion jumps at the deal.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Feb 22 @ 12:21 PM ET
Unless the Sens are willing to part with Chabot and/or White they will NOT get any "core" players in any trade. Prospect pool is pretty thin after those two... I like the Sens, lived in Ottawa for a bit but the miss-management of assets has been horrific for years. They have a decent team, no need to blow it up since they aren't close to contend for a Cup. Uncle Eugene loves his playoffs tho, that's where he really cashes in
- Brzlnut

People have to have more realistic expectations about prospects. You have to give to get and not every top prospect will turn out.

The fans (and management team) who are saying they wouldn't trade White or Chabot are the same one who said they wouldn't trade, Cowen, Lazar, Ceci, etc.

We are all guilty of it, but at a certain point you have to give to get.

I know Chabot is a mouth watering prospect after his World Junior showing and Colin White looks poised to be a solid player, but this team does have needs now with this current roster. Even if Chabot and White do turn out and be decent NHLers, by the time that happens, we will probably lose a significant roster player in the process and basically be stuck in the same good, but not good enough place.

It's important to not wear he Sens googles too much. If it's a possible to improve this roster today to come closer to being a contender, you have to explore it, not simply shut the front door.
maaddmike
Joined: 08.08.2006

Feb 22 @ 12:28 PM ET
People have to have more realistic expectations about prospects. You have to give to get and not every top prospect will turn out.

The fans (and management team) who are saying they wouldn't trade White or Chabot are the same one who said they wouldn't trade, Cowen, Lazar, Ceci, etc.

We are all guilty of it, but at a certain point you have to give to get.

I know Chabot is a mouth watering prospect after his World Junior showing and Colin White looks poised to be a solid player, but this team does have needs now with this current roster. Even if Chabot and White do turn out and be decent NHLers, by the time that happens, we will probably lose a significant roster player in the process and basically be stuck in the same good, but not good enough place.

It's important to not wear he Sens googles too much. If it's a possible to improve this roster today to come closer to being a contender, you have to explore it, not simply shut the front door.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


I agree with the 'bird in hand' thinking. There is no guarantee a prospect becomes what you think they could.

I would be open to Ceci+White for Landeskog.

I think the Sens could pick up a depth defenceman at the deadline that could fill the hole from losing Ceci this year. Then you have Chabot, Englund, Harpur all coming in the future.
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Feb 22 @ 12:45 PM ET
Thanks for beating us in regulation, but (frank) off for giving Zacha a concussion
Ottawa Fan
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 02.17.2007

Feb 22 @ 1:43 PM ET
Thanks for beating us in regulation, but (frank) off for giving Zacha a concussion
- willschulme



Huh?
Brzlnut
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.18.2016

Feb 22 @ 1:47 PM ET
People have to have more realistic expectations about prospects. You have to give to get and not every top prospect will turn out.

The fans (and management team) who are saying they wouldn't trade White or Chabot are the same one who said they wouldn't trade, Cowen, Lazar, Ceci, etc.

We are all guilty of it, but at a certain point you have to give to get.

I know Chabot is a mouth watering prospect after his World Junior showing and Colin White looks poised to be a solid player, but this team does have needs now with this current roster. Even if Chabot and White do turn out and be decent NHLers, by the time that happens, we will probably lose a significant roster player in the process and basically be stuck in the same good, but not good enough place.

It's important to not wear he Sens googles too much. If it's a possible to improve this roster today to come closer to being a contender, you have to explore it, not simply shut the front door.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0



Agreed.
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Feb 22 @ 2:30 PM ET
Huh?
- Ottawa Fan

It's good the devils are losing games, but not good that our top prospect got a concussion in yesterday's game
Brzlnut
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.18.2016

Feb 22 @ 2:56 PM ET
I agree with the 'bird in hand' thinking. There is no guarantee a prospect becomes what you think they could.

I would be open to Ceci+White for Landeskog.

I think the Sens could pick up a depth defenceman at the deadline that could fill the hole from losing Ceci this year. Then you have Chabot, Englund, Harpur all coming in the future.

- maaddmike



I don't think that gets it done. Not after the horrible year Ceci is having. It's well known that if you want either Duchene or Landeskog you will have to grossly overpay. Plus you clearly state Ceci is a depth D in your comment so I'm not sure how that becomes a piece to a major deal. Sakic's asking price for the Sens would probably look something like this:

To Sens:
Duchene

To Avs:
Chabot
White
Smith
1st round pick.

If it's for Landeskog, take away White.

If I'm Dorion there is NO WAY I do that deal. But someone might and if not, Avs a happy to keep both players. Media is hyping it up big time. Sakic is not shopping them, teams are calling and he's listening. It'll have to be a deal he can't refuse.
GadesnSens
Ottawa Senators
Location: 'isn't cheatin if ur wf is watchin, ON
Joined: 06.12.2008

Feb 22 @ 3:02 PM ET
Saw this in the NJ blog about last night's game:

The Devils won the shot attempt battle 36-6(!) and the scoring chance battle 16-1(!!!) with Cody Ceci on the ice at 5v5. That's as bad of a stat line as I've seen all season. Remember that time the Lightning wanted Ceci for Jonathan Drouin and the Sens wouldn't pull the trigger?

Glad to see I am not the only one noticing just how atrocious Ceci's play is. If teams are asking to include him in a deal for a top 6 forward I sure hope Dorion jumps at the deal.

- maaddmike



First of all its a Devils Blog, so take the information with a grain of salt....

Second..... Ceci's ice time is up, he's playing a shutdown role against the other team's top lines, and goals against is down....... so it baffles me why people continue to criticize this 23 year old kid....

I personally love the job that he an Phaneuf are doing

ShaneP22
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 10.27.2015

Feb 22 @ 3:10 PM ET
First of all its a Devils Blog, so take the information with a grain of salt....

Second..... Ceci's ice time is up, he's playing a shutdown role against the other team's top lines, and goals against is down....... so it baffles me why people continue to criticize this 23 year old kid....

I personally love the job that he an Phaneuf are doing


- GadesnSens


This ^^^
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 22 @ 3:24 PM ET
I don't think that gets it done. Not after the horrible year Ceci is having. It's well known that if you want either Duchene or Landeskog you will have to grossly overpay. Plus you clearly state Ceci is a depth D in your comment so I'm not sure how that becomes a piece to a major deal. Sakic's asking price for the Sens would probably look something like this:

To Sens:
Duchene

To Avs:
Chabot
White
Smith
1st round pick.

If it's for Landeskog, take away White.

If I'm Dorion there is NO WAY I do that deal. But someone might and if not, Avs a happy to keep both players. Media is hyping it up big time. Sakic is not shopping them, teams are calling and he's listening. It'll have to be a deal he can't refuse.

- Brzlnut



sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 22 @ 3:31 PM ET
I agree with the 'bird in hand' thinking. There is no guarantee a prospect becomes what you think they could.

I would be open to Ceci+White for Landeskog.

I think the Sens could pick up a depth defenceman at the deadline that could fill the hole from losing Ceci this year. Then you have Chabot, Englund, Harpur all coming in the future.

- maaddmike


Dude.......Ceci has been atrocious. He has only 9 pts, the worst +/- of the team, 2ND most giveaways (but wothout the offensive numbers are takeaways to offset that) the worst possession stats of anyone who's not a 4th line forward.......he's a (frank)ing tire fire.

Sure, he's played some hard minutes but he's played them VERY badly.
Brzlnut
Colorado Avalanche
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.18.2016

Feb 22 @ 4:08 PM ET

- sensarmy_11



Did you think that was my own proposal for a trade? Now that's funny... Some people can't read

#soottawa

Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Feb 22 @ 4:25 PM ET
I don't think that gets it done. Not after the horrible year Ceci is having. It's well known that if you want either Duchene or Landeskog you will have to grossly overpay. Plus you clearly state Ceci is a depth D in your comment so I'm not sure how that becomes a piece to a major deal. Sakic's asking price for the Sens would probably look something like this:

To Sens:
Duchene

To Avs:
Chabot
White
Smith
1st round pick.

If it's for Landeskog, take away White.

If I'm Dorion there is NO WAY I do that deal. But someone might and if not, Avs a happy to keep both players. Media is hyping it up big time. Sakic is not shopping them, teams are calling and he's listening. It'll have to be a deal he can't refuse.

- Brzlnut

Can't blame Sakic for trying. It actually probably isn't a bad deal if Chabot just becomes "normal" top 4 guy (which is a high ceiling in its own right) and White becomes another Pagau or any other interchangeable 3rd line centre in the NHL.

Problem is, Chabot is already Karlsson and White is already Bergeron/Towes in the eyes of many here in Ottawa. Link those names to unproven prospects and the trade looks like a vast overpayment from an Ottawa perspective.

I think there is a deal to be had with the Avs and Sens regarding Duchene. Both sides just have to realize what they are trading. On the the opposite side of the coin, Duchene is not Crosby or Macdavid. The price to trade him (if you want to trade him away) will have to come down a little (including the price for other NHL teams).

If you trade for Duchene, the Sens have to get rid of Turris or Brassard I think. Maybe one of them could be included in the deal as well in one way or another.

At the end of the day, you aren't getting Duchene or Landescog (who I am not high on trading for) for nothing. Have to give to get. You'll have to take a bit of a risk. We've seen those risks pay off and not pay off here in Ottawa.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 22 @ 4:36 PM ET
Did you think that was my own proposal for a trade? Now that's funny... Some people can't read

#soottawa

- Brzlnut


The fact that you wrote it suggests that what you think thats what they're worth......which is laughable
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Feb 22 @ 5:04 PM ET
The fact that you wrote it suggests that what you think thats what they're worth......which is laughable
- sensarmy_11

To be fair, he said: "Sakic's asking price for the Sens would probably look something like this:"

Which by all reports so far, is true.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 22 @ 5:23 PM ET
To be fair, he said: "Sakic's asking price for the Sens would probably look something like this:"

Which by all reports so far, is true.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


Actually by all accounts the asking price was Ceci, chabot OR white, and a 1st......which is much more reasonable
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Feb 22 @ 5:31 PM ET
Actually by all accounts the asking price was Ceci, chabot OR white, and a 1st......which is much more reasonable
- sensarmy_11

I didn't mean the actual deal was true, but the high asking price in general by Sakic for Duchene and/or Landescog. Should have clarified that.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Feb 22 @ 5:39 PM ET
I didn't mean the actual deal was true, but the high asking price in general by Sakic for Duchene and/or Landescog. Should have clarified that.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0


A high asking price......yes

Suggesting the asking price is a good roster player, 2 top end prospects (both ranked in the top 25 if I remember correctly), and a 1st..........that's ridiculous
SensnRBs
Ottawa Senators
Location: it ain't cheatin' if ur wife is watching, ON
Joined: 04.03.2014

Feb 22 @ 5:48 PM ET
Can't blame Sakic for trying. It actually probably isn't a bad deal if Chabot just becomes "normal" top 4 guy (which is a high ceiling in its own right) and White becomes another Pagau or any other interchangeable 3rd line centre in the NHL.

Problem is, Chabot is already Karlsson and White is already Bergeron/Towes in the eyes of many here in Ottawa. Link those names to unproven prospects and the trade looks like a vast overpayment from an Ottawa perspective.

I think there is a deal to be had with the Avs and Sens regarding Duchene. Both sides just have to realize what they are trading. On the the opposite side of the coin, Duchene is not Crosby or Macdavid. The price to trade him (if you want to trade him away) will have to come down a little (including the price for other NHL teams).

If you trade for Duchene, the Sens have to get rid of Turris or Brassard I think. Maybe one of them could be included in the deal as well in one way or another.

At the end of the day, you aren't getting Duchene or Landescog (who I am not high on trading for) for nothing. Have to give to get. You'll have to take a bit of a risk. We've seen those risks pay off and not pay off here in Ottawa.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


I agree that any deal for Duchene should include Brassard. Why bring in another centre?

Duchene
Turris
Pageau


Sens_soup
Ottawa Senators
Location: Victoria
Joined: 04.24.2016

Feb 22 @ 7:16 PM ET
I'm not sure they should pay huge for Duchene. He has the speed and the skill but has less points this year than other cheaper options like Vanek, eaves, and vrbata. I'm not saying that he isnt better than these players but I would hesitate to trade brassard a 1st and a prospect for him when he only has 6 more points on the year than brassard does.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Feb 22 @ 8:43 PM ET
Anyone else hoping the Pierre Dorion gets fired asap?

He's literally as useless as Brian Murray
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