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Ben Case
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: NC
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 12 @ 6:15 PM ET
Ben Case: Part V- Who Should Canes Target for Potential Trades? We are continuing with the final part of a Five-Part Series: The first one looked at the common misconception that goaltending is the primary reason for the Canes struggles this season. The second article evaluated what I believed to be http://www.hockeybuzz.com...es-in-the-Third/190/81539 "> the most concerning issues surrounding the Canes currently. . Part III looked at the Canes roster, expendable components and what the expansion draft could bring. Yesterday, we took a look at how the second half of the season should be a bright spot for the Canes.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jan 12 @ 6:37 PM ET
What no Trade with the Avs shout out?

Im shocked
Ben Case
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: NC
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 12 @ 6:46 PM ET
What no Trade with the Avs shout out?

Im shocked

- DDM-Coga


Not for the price. I wrote a piece a few days ago about why I'm not a fan for Duchene. Landeskog fits better, but I wouldn't essentially do three first round players for him. Plus, given he is openly being shopped, the Canes will compete against very strong offers, I don't think falling into GM Sakic's intentional trap of a bidding war is smart.

Not with how much talent the Canes have. Plus, they have tons of guys to sign in the future, so managing the cap now is huge. http://www.hockeybuzz.com...nt-Trade-Rumors/190/81941
Ben Case
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: NC
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 12 @ 6:48 PM ET
What no Trade with the Avs shout out?

Im shocked

- DDM-Coga


I might consider Iginla, but with his NMC, I doubt Canes would make his list. He is looking for a cup, not a first round exit. That's the main reason outside of Duchene/Landeskog the Aves stayed off the list too.
ChrisMS
Joined: 05.02.2012

Jan 12 @ 7:35 PM ET
THAT proce is rediq. but.. Slavin, a decent forward prospect and a 2nd... I'd offer it. You said the top 9 was set.. maybe trade a bottom piece of that top 9, slavin and a 2nd for landy or dusch and see if they bite... no team is trading what you heard in your blog...
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jan 12 @ 7:57 PM ET
Justin Faulk for your choice of Eberle or Nuge.
Ben Case
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: NC
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 12 @ 8:19 PM ET
THAT proce is rediq. but.. Slavin, a decent forward prospect and a 2nd... I'd offer it. You said the top 9 was set.. maybe trade a bottom piece of that top 9, slavin and a 2nd for landy or dusch and see if they bite... no team is trading what you heard in your blog...
- ChrisMS


I agree that maybe Slavin, a 2nd and say...McGinn could be worth Landeskog. I also agree that the price that has been heard for what "Sakic wants" is pretty absurd. Esp when you use Jones/Johansen and Larsson/Hall as comps.

I don't think Sakic has any intention to trade either of them-I think he is more trying to show the team that literally no-one is untouchable and ignite a fire under them. Beyond that, I think he set that high price to see if anyone would literally offer a "I'd be dumb not to say yes" trade.

Unfortunately for Sakic, GMGM is no longer with the Caps or else I'm sure he'd be first in line for dumb trade of the century.
Ben Case
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: NC
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 12 @ 8:28 PM ET
Justin Faulk for your choice of Eberle or Nuge.
- Ihatebrianburke


I don't know if Chiarelli has another "1 for 1 all-star" trade left in him to get skewered over for. IMO it wasn't that bad, esp since Hall has been injured on and off all year long for NJD-no surprise there though.

I really wish the Canes went after Lucic last summer. If he wasn't signed for 6 years, I would have put him on the target list, even though I know Chiarelli would probably never move him. Him and Larsson appear to have really helped the Oilers overall this year.
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 12 @ 8:40 PM ET
the Wild and Ducks like the Canes have depth on d. What about the Jets? We have a lot of young forwards and young goalie propsects. would Kyle Conner or Jack Raslovik plus Jamie Phillips make sense for one of your young D?
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jan 12 @ 8:49 PM ET
I don't know if Chiarelli has another "1 for 1 all-star" trade left in him to get skewered over for. IMO it wasn't that bad, esp since Hall has been injured on and off all year long for NJD-no surprise there though.

I really wish the Canes went after Lucic last summer. If he wasn't signed for 6 years, I would have put him on the target list, even though I know Burke would probably never move him. Him and Larsson appear to have really helped the Oilers overall this year.

- BenCase

Ya it wouldn't look good on us to ask our big UFA acquisition to waive his NTC only a few months later. Chiarelli wouldn't do that to him.
twiztedmike
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jan 12 @ 8:56 PM ET
cool Canes story here:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...old-rare-cancer-contract/
Ben Case
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: NC
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 12 @ 9:04 PM ET
the Wild and Ducks like the Canes have depth on d. What about the Jets? We have a lot of young forwards and young goalie propsects. would Kyle Conner or Jack Raslovik plus Jamie Phillips make sense for one of your young D?
- Ross77


Perhaps one of the goalies would work. I'd be surprised if Hellebuyck was available. Hutchinson doesn't appear to be a bad option for short term or longer depending on how he pans out. I'd do Lack for Hutchinson straight up any day.

Canes really need a forward who can jump in right now and make a difference. I wish Wheeler wasn't on contact through 2018-19. Plus, I imagine he is one of the guys the Jets wouldn't part with.

Conner and Raslovik look to have good upsides in the next 1-2 years for NHL, but not sure they would make sense for a team that has a lot of young guys coming up too. However, depending on the trade one of them might make sense for Murphy and a pick. Armia really intrigues me though. Canes have 8 D on active roster, so a 23-year old first rounder sitting the pine isn't exactly ideal for him or the Canes.
Ben Case
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: NC
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 12 @ 9:05 PM ET
Ya it wouldn't look good on us to ask our big UFA acquisition to waive his NTC only a few months later. Chiarelli wouldn't do that to him.
- Ihatebrianburke


Esp. bc it was such a big deal that the Oilers made a "big splash" in FA. My understanding is that they've struggled in the past to lure those type of guys in.
Ben Case
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: NC
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 12 @ 9:11 PM ET
cool Canes story here:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...old-rare-cancer-contract/

- twiztedmike


I did enjoy seeing this trending on Twitter today. It looked like a very good time for the team and Chase Bass. I really enjoyed the team picture on the ice with him too. Great story overall and best wishes to Chase in his battle.

They also had a bit of gold old fashion pranking going on too. Nothing like the styrofoam filling the car trick. Canes were active in SM overall today.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Jan 12 @ 11:37 PM ET
we will trade you Kapanen for a young dman
gocanes0506
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: United States, NC
Joined: 02.12.2007

Jan 13 @ 8:30 AM ET
It will be really interesting to see if any GMs are willing to make trades based on expansion draft slot protection now. I don't think they will because of the low trade values. Our best chance of a now and future move is Landeskog. I believe the asking price will go down significantly over the next month because of the expansion draft. Most teams that would pay their asking price in a regular year have or will have protection issues for their rosters.

How about a under the radar move like Martin Hanzal from the Yotes for a 3rd rounder? Big guy at 6'6, plays center, and will be a UFA. Price shouldn't be high but he could help the team now with size and net presence. He wins about 46% of his face offs, career average 51%. Im suggesting the under the radar move to save the assets for the time the other GMs open up to trading unprotected players.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jan 13 @ 8:38 AM ET
Justin Faulk for your choice of Eberle or Nuge.
- Ihatebrianburke


I wouldn't trade Faulk for both those guys.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jan 13 @ 8:38 AM ET
we will trade you Kapanen for a young dman
- mr.sir


Do they have any 7-8th dmen available, because for that price that is all you are getting.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jan 13 @ 8:39 AM ET
It will be really interesting to see if any GMs are willing to make trades based on expansion draft slot protection now. I don't think they will because of the low trade values. Our best chance of a now and future move is Landeskog. I believe the asking price will go down significantly over the next month because of the expansion draft. Most teams that would pay their asking price in a regular year have or will have protection issues for their rosters.

How about a under the radar move like Michael Hanzal from the Yotes for a 3rd rounder? Big guy at 6'6, plays center, and will be a UFA. Price shouldn't be high but he could help the team now with size and net presence. He wins about 46% of his face offs, career average 51%. Im suggesting the under the radar move to save the assets for the time the other GMs open up to trading unprotected players.

- gocanes0506


Michael?
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 13 @ 9:27 AM ET
I don't know if Chiarelli has another "1 for 1 all-star" trade left in him to get skewered over for. IMO it wasn't that bad, esp since Hall has been injured on and off all year long for NJD-no surprise there though.

I really wish the Canes went after Lucic last summer. If he wasn't signed for 6 years, I would have put him on the target list, even though I know Burke would probably never move him. Him and Larsson appear to have really helped the Oilers overall this year.

- BenCase


Your opinion is as wrong as it could possibly be.
gocanes0506
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: United States, NC
Joined: 02.12.2007

Jan 13 @ 10:40 AM ET
Michael?
- Aetherial


Yep messed that one up. Corrected to martin
Ben Case
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: NC
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 13 @ 10:44 AM ET
Your opinion is as wrong as it could possibly be.
- BINGO!


We will just have to disagree on that then. The addition of Larsson and Lucic have greatly improved EDM across the board. Larsson typically draws teams top line, leads the team in hits and is second in blocks.

Could EDM have potentially done a little better-perhaps. That also believes that there were other teams out there willing to trade a Top 2 D too though.

When the trade was made it looked very one-sided, I won't disagree there. Come December many people, including experts from TSN, other outlets and the EDM Coach have all stated the trade was not one-sided as it appeared and had greatly improved EDM's weak spots.

I still think NJD won bc of the talent of Hall, however, Larsson has had much more of an impact on changing EDM's losing, than Hall has on NJD's losing.

In fact, how much has EDM improved? Well, they went 14-29-7 against the W. conference opponents. This year, they are 14-5-5. They also are 8-1-2 against the Central, instead of 5-14-2.

So, who has had the more relative change? EDM had 2.43 GF/GP (26th) and 2.95 GA/GP (27th) last year while NJD was 2.22 GF/GP (30th) and 2.46 GA/GP (8th). This year, EDM has 2.82 GF/GP (8th) and 2.66 GA/GP (15th) and NJD
is 2.19 GF/GP (28th) and 2.91 GA/GP (21st).

The loss of Larsson has seen NJD's D go from top in the league with Schneider, to being one of the worst in the NHL now. Doesn't look to me that EDM is missing Hall that much, but NJD is certainly missing Larsson. Like I said, we will just have to disagree.
Ben Case
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: NC
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 13 @ 10:48 AM ET
It will be really interesting to see if any GMs are willing to make trades based on expansion draft slot protection now. I don't think they will because of the low trade values. Our best chance of a now and future move is Landeskog. I believe the asking price will go down significantly over the next month because of the expansion draft. Most teams that would pay their asking price in a regular year have or will have protection issues for their rosters.

How about a under the radar move like Martin Hanzal from the Yotes for a 3rd rounder? Big guy at 6'6, plays center, and will be a UFA. Price shouldn't be high but he could help the team now with size and net presence. He wins about 46% of his face offs, career average 51%. Im suggesting the under the radar move to save the assets for the time the other GMs open up to trading unprotected players.

- gocanes0506


I do like the option of Hanzal. I also like that if he doesn't work out, we can just let him go into FA at the end of the season too. He allows Staal to be used in O zone FO, and he can take over the D Zone.

Sometimes, the best O is preventing the other team from getting the puck and having scoring chances. Controlling the circles is a great way to help that.
Ben Case
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: NC
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jan 13 @ 10:55 AM ET
we will trade you Kapanen for a young dman
- mr.sir


Canes don't need another under-sized, fast, offensively gifted forward. Although, I did used to love watching his father play in the Canes uniform '97-'03.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 13 @ 11:04 AM ET
We will just have to disagree on that then. The addition of Larsson and Lucic have greatly improved EDM across the board. Larsson typically draws teams top line, leads the team in hits and is second in blocks.

Could EDM have potentially done a little better-perhaps. That also believes that there were other teams out there willing to trade a Top 2 D too though.

When the trade was made it looked very one-sided, I won't disagree there. Come December many people, including experts from TSN, other outlets and the EDM Coach have all stated the trade was not one-sided as it appeared and had greatly improved EDM's weak spots.

I still think NJD won bc of the talent of Hall, however, Larsson has had much more of an impact on changing EDM's losing, than Hall has on NJD's losing.

In fact, how much has EDM improved? Well, they went 14-29-7 against the W. conference opponents. This year, they are 14-5-5. They also are 8-1-2 against the Central, instead of 5-14-2.

So, who has had the more relative change? EDM had 2.43 GF/GP (26th) and 2.95 GA/GP (27th) last year while NJD was 2.22 GF/GP (30th) and 2.46 GA/GP (8th). This year, EDM has 2.82 GF/GP (8th) and 2.66 GA/GP (15th) and NJD
is 2.19 GF/GP (28th) and 2.91 GA/GP (21st).

The loss of Larsson has seen NJD's D go from top in the league with Schneider, to being one of the worst in the NHL now. Doesn't look to me that EDM is missing Hall that much, but NJD is certainly missing Larsson. Like I said, we will just have to disagree.

- BenCase


You are measuring the team accomplishments as opposed to the individual players.

Edmonton's success has much more to do with the full-time addition of Connor McDavid than it has anything to do with Larsson.

Hall is a vastly superior player. Sure, Edmonton is in better shape as a team right now, but that has nothing to do with the relative values of the players involved in the trade.

Is Taylor Hall's value diminished by the poor goaltending/defense of the Devils? Is it not worth taking into account the relative strength of the divisions each team plays in as well?

There are simply too many factors involved to try and comare based on team results, so you have to look at what each player brings to the table, and in that situation, Taylor Hall is almost infinitely superior.
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