Still going in the AHL Playoffs, worth a topic

Have not lost a game 7-0
relying mostly on kids 23 and under

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They're doing real good. It would be nice to see the Leafs actually giving these guys a real chance to play.

They're doing real good. It would be nice to see the Leafs actually giving these guys a real chance to play.
- RogerRoeper

i think Leivo and D'amigo get the best opportunity next season

They're doing real good. It would be nice to see the Leafs actually giving these guys a real chance to play.
- RogerRoeper

maybe they can bury Kelly Clarkson in the AHL to give them a chance next season.

maybe they can bury Kelly Clarkson in the AHL to give them a chance next season.
- Doppleganger

Who is Kelly Clarkson?

maybe they can bury Kelly Clarkson in the AHL to give them a chance next season.
- Doppleganger

Do you think it's insulting to call a person a girl??

That's weird.

Clarkson will be solid next season.

This was written by a certain poster two years ago.

I would suggest that the Senators AHL team is a reflection on who may have a better group of prospects (at all positions) if you are comparing the two teams in Ontario.

In addition to David Rundblad & Jared Cowen, goaltender Robin Lehner is a top prospect that personally I would not swap for any goaltender in entire leaf organization.

As far a depth, these players/prospects
Patrick Wiercioch
Zack Smith
Bobby Butler
Erik Condra
Eric Gryba
Colin Greening
Mark Stone (still in Junior)
are as good as any of the teams in the northeast division, and after the draft, with two picks in the first round and a few more in the second, the farm system for the Senators will be in good shape for the next decade.

In case you want further info on the Senators AHL team I suggest you follow this link.
http://www.ottawasun.com/...ff-run-lifts-organization

hahah.

This was written by a certain poster two years ago.



hahah.
- prock

yeah that list 2 years later looks very average and not much has come out of it really

This was written by a certain poster two years ago
- prock

Since then the Senators made it to the second round of the playoffs last season, further than the leafs, who suffered the worst game seven third period collapse in Stanley Cup history.

Then the next season both teams failed to make the playoffs, but the Senators did finish 4 points ahead of the leafs who suffered yet another late season collapse. (2 wins in last twenty games or something close to that)


So I guess I was kinda right Eh?


Bobby Butler is now gone, but you can add Curtis Lazar to that list.

Rundblad was traded for Turris, so that list looks so much better now than two years ago.

Eight of these players will be in the opening line up this coming season, barring any trades.

Robin Lehner
Patrick Wiercioch
Zack Smith
Erik Condra
Eric Gryba
Colin Greening
Mark Stone
Curtis Lazar
Kyle Turris

What does it mean for a farm system to be 'in good shape for the next decade'? Doesn't that indicate that you've filled it with a bunch of career AHLers?

What does it mean for a farm system to be 'in good shape for the next decade'? Doesn't that indicate that you've filled it with a bunch of career AHLers?
- Morris

Must mean your team is effectively scouting the poop out of the timbits hockey games.

Since then the Senators made it to the second round of the playoffs last season, further than the leafs, who suffered the worst game seven third period collapse in Stanley Cup history.

Then the next season both teams failed to make the playoffs, but the Senators did finish 4 points ahead of the leafs who suffered yet another late season collapse. (2 wins in last twenty games or something close to that)


So I guess I was kinda right Eh?


Bobby Butler is now gone, but you can add Curtis Lazar to that list.

Rundblad was traded for Turris, so that list looks so much better now than two years ago.

Eight of these players will be in the opening line up this coming season, barring any trades.

Robin Lehner
Patrick Wiercioch
Zack Smith
Erik Condra
Eric Gryba
Colin Greening
Mark Stone
Curtis Lazar
Kyle Turris
- Doppleganger

You better hope you weren't right considering the state of the Binghamton Sens now. Oh and trading away a first and two prospects for just two years of a veteran player.

You better hope you weren't right considering the state of the Binghamton Sens now. Oh and trading away a first and two prospects for just two years of a veteran player.
- prock

The B Sens had a good season, winning their Division, fourth overall in points in their Conference.


Wow, you're still hanging you hat on a 10th overall pick, in an admittedly weak draft, as if it we're going to be the straw that breaks the camels back.


Let's just wait until after the Draft, and the opening week or so of Free Agency, and we'll revisit your wish list.




BTW, Ottawa's Prospects are still ranked higher than the leafs prospects (Hockey Futures)



Ottawa Senators

Team Breakdown:

Strengths: Despite many key losses from last year, Ottawa’s system is still stocked with talent at every position. The Senators failed to reach the playoffs, but many prospects stepped up into key roles throughout the season. Defensemen Cody Ceci and Mark Borowiecki appear to be NHL-caliber defensemen with distinctly different styles of play. Curtis Lazar and Matt Puempel continue to develop and could make their pro debuts as early as next season.

Weaknesses: With Ceci likely to stay in the NHL, the Senators need to replenish their defensive pool. The organization could also add some more size to their forward prospects.

Top 5 Prospects: 1. Curtis Lazar, C/W; 2. Cody Ceci, D; 3. Chris Driedger, G; 4. Mark Stone, RW; 5. Jean-Gabriel Pageau, C.

Key Additions: Garrett Thompson (free agent).

Key Losses: Robin Lehner (graduation).



troronto maple leafs

Team Breakdown:

Strengths: The Leafs have built a pretty good system of skaters who might effectively supplement the current team's back half. This depth is present at different stages of development and at every position. Connor Brown, a somewhat undersized forward, has the scoring skill of a top-six forward. Frederik Gauthier has the potential to be a shutdown center as his career evolves. Matt Finn and Stuart Percy both project to be at least bottom-pairing defensemen in the NHL. The Marlies have been a good team, so Toronto has that source of developmental strength in terms of the organization as a whole, as well.

Weaknesses: There is a distinct lack of upside in this system, the byproduct of an overly conservative approach at the draft table. The goaltending situation is particularly dire, with no clear-cut candidate to become so much as an NHL backup. The depth overall is not particularly good, signaling perhaps the need for a systemic overhaul.

Top 5 Prospects: 1. Frederik Gauthier, C; 2. Connor Brown, RW; 3. Josh Leivo, LW; 4. Matt Finn, D; 5. Stuart Percy, D.

Key Additions: Brandon Kozun (trade-LAK), Teemu Hartikainen (trade-EDM), Cameron Abney (trade-EDM).

Key Losses: Morgan Rielly (graduation), Peter Holland (graduation), Jesse Blacker (trade-ANH).

The B Sens had a good season, winning their Division, fourth overall in points in their Conference.


Wow, you're still hanging you hat on a 10th overall pick, in an admittedly weak draft, as if it we're going to be the straw that breaks the camels back.


Let's just wait until after the Draft, and the opening week or so of Free Agency, and we'll revisit your wish list.




BTW, Ottawa's Prospects are still ranked higher than the leafs prospects (Hockey Futures)



Ottawa Senators

Team Breakdown:

Strengths: Despite many key losses from last year, Ottawa’s system is still stocked with talent at every position. The Senators failed to reach the playoffs, but many prospects stepped up into key roles throughout the season. Defensemen Cody Ceci and Mark Borowiecki appear to be NHL-caliber defensemen with distinctly different styles of play. Curtis Lazar and Matt Puempel continue to develop and could make their pro debuts as early as next season.

Weaknesses: With Ceci likely to stay in the NHL, the Senators need to replenish their defensive pool. The organization could also add some more size to their forward prospects.

Top 5 Prospects: 1. Curtis Lazar, C/W; 2. Cody Ceci, D; 3. Chris Driedger, G; 4. Mark Stone, RW; 5. Jean-Gabriel Pageau, C.

Key Additions: Garrett Thompson (free agent).

Key Losses: Robin Lehner (graduation).



troronto maple leafs

Team Breakdown:

Strengths: The Leafs have built a pretty good system of skaters who might effectively supplement the current team's back half. This depth is present at different stages of development and at every position. Connor Brown, a somewhat undersized forward, has the scoring skill of a top-six forward. Frederik Gauthier has the potential to be a shutdown center as his career evolves. Matt Finn and Stuart Percy both project to be at least bottom-pairing defensemen in the NHL. The Marlies have been a good team, so Toronto has that source of developmental strength in terms of the organization as a whole, as well.

Weaknesses: There is a distinct lack of upside in this system, the byproduct of an overly conservative approach at the draft table. The goaltending situation is particularly dire, with no clear-cut candidate to become so much as an NHL backup. The depth overall is not particularly good, signaling perhaps the need for a systemic overhaul.

Top 5 Prospects: 1. Frederik Gauthier, C; 2. Connor Brown, RW; 3. Josh Leivo, LW; 4. Matt Finn, D; 5. Stuart Percy, D.

Key Additions: Brandon Kozun (trade-LAK), Teemu Hartikainen (trade-EDM), Cameron Abney (trade-EDM).

Key Losses: Morgan Rielly (graduation), Peter Holland (graduation), Jesse Blacker (trade-ANH).
- Doppleganger

Hahaha. But you were bragging at that time about 2 picks in the twenties.

You can list all of this if you like. I think they now ranked the Leafs and Sens side by side. For the spring ranking.

You were trying to point out at that time that the Binghamton Senators playoff aspirations would be a boost to the prospect group. I can only assume that the recent playoff domination of the Marlies would be a boost, at least enough to pass the BSens.

Additionally, there will be the addition of a top ten first round pick to the group, that the Sens will not have.

Toss in the playoff accomplishments of some of the top prospects in the CHL, which I would only assume you would think would have the same effect as the AHL results, and given that the captain of the team most likely to win the Memorial Cup is a Leafs prospect, you'd have to think that's another significant boost. We'll see how well they do, against potentially the Val D'or team, who has been anchored in part by a standout performance of their goalie, also a Leaf prospect.

Man, the Sens are just dropping like a rock in those rankings. Leafs looking good though.

BTW, Ottawa's Prospects are still ranked higher than the leafs prospects (Hockey Futures)


- Doppleganger

if Ceci is included as a sens prospect...you can include Rielly for the leafs
same draft only maybe 20 games diff in the NHL and Rielly is younger..that would make a big difference with a blue chip prospect

also the leafs have Andreas Johnson...not even mentioned
he had 15 goals and 24 pts in 44 gp this year in the SHL

On Johnson from twitter

http://www.eliteprospects...0Rookie%20of%20the%20Year

24 pts was the most of any U20 layer in the SHL... his 0.55 ppg was the 3rd most of any any U20 player in the SHL

winning SHL rookie of the year? not a guarantee of success - but other winners include Zetterberg, Eriksson, Hedman, Enstrom, Backstrom

also Hornqvist, Jonsson, Nylander, Tellqvist, Soderstrom, Markstrom...all NHL players.

also the leafs Goalie Bibeau is shining
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=719746


Finn is doing well.. I question those ranking a little
I am forgetting another leaf prospect who won something

if Ceci is included as a sens prospect...you can include Rielly for the leafs
same draft only maybe 20 games diff in the NHL and Rielly is younger..that would make a big difference with a blue chip prospect

also the leafs have Andreas Johnson...not even mentioned
he had 15 goals and 24 pts in 44 gp this year in the SHL

On Johnson from twitter


also the leafs Goalie Bibeau is shining
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=719746


Finn is doing well.. I question those ranking a little
I am forgetting another leaf prospect who won something
- senstroll

I’m not too sure. I know Leivo was one of the best rookies in the AHL. Put up a point pace of .71 points per game. Had he not gotten called up at times, and played the full season, would have been into the 30+ goals, mid 50s point range.

EDIT - maybe Rupert on the Knights? Connor Brown, top scorer of the OHL?

I’m not too sure. I know Leivo was one of the best rookies in the AHL. Put up a point pace of .71 points per game. Had he not gotten called up at times, and played the full season, would have been into the 30+ goals, mid 50s point range.

EDIT - maybe Rupert on the Knights? Connor Brown, top scorer of the OHL?
- prock

It was Bibeau being named the QMJHL Playoff MVP that I was thinking of

so leafs prospects are winning awards .. OHL mvp, SHL ROY, QMJHL Playoff MVP
dont think that happened much before.

It was Bibeau being named the QMJHL Playoff MVP that I was thinking of

so leafs prospects are winning awards .. OHL mvp, SHL ROY, QMJHL Playoff MVP
dont think that happened much before.
- senstroll

oh I wasn't aware Connor Brown not only won the scoring title, but MVP award. Interesting.

All that, combined with a team dominating the AHL, 3 players in the Mem Cup, 2 of which are still in it and playing key roles. That’s a pretty good year.

Kind of makes you think, the Leafs farm system will be in good shape for the next decade.

It was Bibeau being named the QMJHL Playoff MVP that I was thinking of

so leafs prospects are winning awards .. OHL mvp, SHL ROY, QMJHL Playoff MVP
dont think that happened much before.
- senstroll

Bibeau was phenomenal against Halifax. I don't know much about him before he got on Val D'Or. He's been the best goalie in the Mem cup for sure though.

Bibeau was phenomenal against Halifax. I don't know much about him before he got on Val D'Or. He's been the best goalie in the Mem cup for sure though.
- Morris

yeah, he's been unreal. I don't think there is a single goalie in the Sens organization I'd rather have.

Bibeau was phenomenal against Halifax. I don't know much about him before he got on Val D'Or. He's been the best goalie in the Mem cup for sure though.
- Morris

He's having a good tourney, but look at his whole body of work.....very very average goalie

Man, the Sens are just dropping like a rock in those rankings. Leafs looking good though.
- prock

Senators prospects are still ranked higher than the leafs prospects, and yes, with a number of drafted, developed and promoted prospects moving into roles on the NHL team, the ranking has dropped, but it is cyclical.

On the other hand, do the few prospects the leafs have in their system stand any chance of making the NHL team that is crammed packed with long term highly paid players, leaving little if any room under the cap?

He's having a good tourney, but look at his whole body of work.....very very average goalie
- sensarmy_11

Somewhat true. He plays on a team that is supposedly incredibly weak defensively, so tough to evaluate his regular season. He had only more recently established himself as the Val D'or undisputed starter too. But it's not just the tourney, he was the QMJHL playoff MVP. It's not just the last few games.

Senators prospects are still ranked higher than the leafs prospects, and yes, with a number of drafted, developed and promoted prospects moving into roles on the NHL team, the ranking has dropped, but it is cyclical.

On the other hand, do the few prospects the leafs have in their system stand any chance of making the NHL team that is crammed packed with long term highly paid players, leaving little if any room under the cap?
- Doppleganger

20th and 21st. So, yes, with the addition of a first round pick, and excellent performances through the playoffs at the CHL and AHL level, the trend of the Leafs getting better will likely continue in the Fall rankings. Without a first, the BSens gone, no prospects of note still playing, I'd suspect the Sens rankings continue to fall.

Funny how you referenced them so many times, but now "they're cyclical".

And yes, we can ease them onto the team, with guys signed, instead of pushing a bunch of borderline talent like Hoffman, Prince, Da Costa onto the roster to replace the likes of guys like Bobby Ryan and Daniel Alfredsson.